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    The fact that you can't acknowledge that it's very different demanding a trade and telling teams you don't want to even finish your CURRENT contract with them and informing the Pacers and trade partners you intend to sign with the Lakers shows how bias you are against the Pacers these days.
    So just to be clear, you think a player ought to keep their mouths shut, and then leave..meaning their team gets absolutely nothing when losing a star player.

    How on earth, is say..two late first round draft picks not better than nothing? Regardless of a limited market, there is something there. PG did the Pacers a favor on his way out. Even if it's a small one.


    BTW: I'm pretty confident Lebron James and Kevin Durant got heavily criticized for their actions. And fans of said teams suggested those players should have spoken up...
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    Lebron and Durant are very smart and savvy. Guys like Howard, Melo, and PG, are well....


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    So just to be clear, you think a player ought to keep their mouths shut, and then leave..meaning their team gets absolutely nothing when losing a star player.

    How on earth, is say..two late first round draft picks not better than nothing? Regardless of a limited market, there is something there. PG did the Pacers a favor on his way out. Even if it's a small one.


    BTW: I'm pretty confident Lebron James and Kevin Durant got heavily criticized for their actions. And fans of said teams suggested those players should have spoken up...
    I've been very clear that telling us in private he has no intention on re-signing is great, demanding a trade to specific teams AND leaking it not so much.

    How difficult is this??

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    So just to be clear, you think a player ought to keep their mouths shut, and then leave..meaning their team gets absolutely nothing when losing a star player.

    BTW: I'm pretty confident Lebron James and Kevin Durant got heavily criticized for their actions. And fans of said teams suggested those players should have spoken up...

    Lol making it clear that you'll only go to one team pretty much means you're going to get nothing anyway. Meanwhile, it makes the franchise a complete mess and is a massive sideshow like what we're seeing now. It's the ultimate douchebag move.

    If a player says they want to be traded to a winner, then that's one thing because it opens up the possibility of getting multiple offers. But when teams know that the player is going to ultimately only sign in one spot, then the original team is completely screwed.

    People didn't like the decisions Lebron and Durant ultimately made, but finishing your contract like a pro and then leaving on your own accord when you aren't under any contract or obligation is far more respectable than this nonsense. There's a lot of talk and reactions, but at least the business of the old team isn't held hostage.

    Can't believe this honestly needs explaining. I feel like some people are enjoying seeing the Pacers getting screwed since they don't like some of the Pacers recent moves.....

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    Hopefully Indy makes a strongggggg push for Gordon Hayward, he would be a good pairing with Leaf and Turner, a SF that does it all, passes, drives, shots can kick it out, plays solid defense, and most importantly with the group we have, rebound.
    I agree. I think surrendering the market on Hayward is a big mistake. The Pacers should be putting out feelers now that our adopted star is leaving, your chance to come in and be the man on your hometown team. Then you re-sign Jeff, and use the Paul trade to bring back a starting SG, another piece and maybe future picks. Then fill out the rest of the roster with interesting prospects. What better way to wipe the Paul George taste out of fans mouths than bringing in Hayward.

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    I don't blame it on anyone, but I think it was a dick move to say this **** right before the draft. It put us in a position where his value dropped off of the charts. I could not be a GM because I would trade his *** to Philadelphia for a bag of chips and let him live in misery for a year.

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    I've been very clear that telling us in private he has no intention on re-signing is great, demanding a trade to specific teams AND leaking it not so much.

    How difficult is this??
    And how difficult is it to acknowledge that regardless of "leaking" teams were going to figure out what Paul's intentions are anyway.


    So him and his agent stay quiet, the Pacers try and trade him, and the team looking to get him goes "We're just going to need that extension" and PG goes "LOL, no." So then another team tries to trade for him, and they go "We're going to need a handshake agreement on an extension" and PG goes "LOL no." It's just wasting time.

    The idea that you can sneak something like that is silly.

    The only way the Pacers truly get a market for PG, is if PG will truly sign an extension for more than a handful of teams (Because - and as the Boston rumor suggests, "preferred" and "only" are two different words. There are, I'm sure, a few teams that PG would consider extending on..) And again, he has every right not to do that.

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    I've been very clear that telling us in private he has no intention on re-signing is great, demanding a trade to specific teams AND leaking it not so much.

    How difficult is this??
    Problem is everybody knew, why we keep pretending this just came out of nowhere? (I posted all those videos for a reason, everybody knew)


    And if that didn't convince anybody then the Paul George softball thing pretty much told us all we needed to know, he was telling us the same thing as "I'm here so I don't get fined".


    Yes PG was a dick for making it public but the issue is that is was already public to begging with.
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    And how difficult is it to acknowledge that regardless of "leaking" teams were going to figure out what Paul's intentions are anyway.


    So him and his agent stay quiet, the Pacers try and trade him, and the team looking to get him goes "We're just going to need that extension" and PG goes "LOL, no." So then another team tries to trade for him, and they go "We're going to need a handshake agreement on an extension" and PG goes "LOL no." It's just wasting time.

    The idea that you can sneak something like that is silly.

    The only way the Pacers truly get a market for PG, is if PG will truly sign an extension for more than a handful of teams (Because - and as the Boston rumor suggests, "preferred" and "only" are two different words. There are, I'm sure, a few teams that PG would consider extending on..) And again, he has every right not to do that.
    Holy ****! I stopped at the first paragraph. You aren't understanding that I'm fine with his intentions not to sign and letting that be known.

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    This Paul George thing ranks near the top of Pacer's Digest history in terms of intensity on the site. The emotions are just out of control.
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    Lol making it clear that you'll only go to one team pretty much means you're going to get nothing anyway. Meanwhile, it makes the franchise a complete mess and is a massive sideshow like what we're seeing now. It's the ultimate douchebag move.

    If a player says they want to be traded to a winner, then that's one thing because it opens up the possibility of getting multiple offers. But when teams know that the player is going to ultimately only sign in one spot, then the original team is completely screwed.

    People didn't like the decisions Lebron and Durant ultimately made, but finishing your contract like a pro and then leaving on your own accord when you aren't under any contract or obligation is far more respectable than this nonsense. There's a lot of talk and reactions, but at least the business of the old team isn't held hostage.

    Can't believe this honestly needs explaining. I feel like some people are enjoying seeing the Pacers getting screwed since they don't like some of the Pacers recent moves.....
    That's exactly what it is. Unless just plain dumb, people are being obtuse because they hate how the Pacers treated Roy, GHill, Danny, Vogel, etc. And that's fine, just say what it is. You think the Pacers got what they deserved, but don't pretend demanding a trade 24 hours after saying you want to win a championship in Indy is noble.

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    ok ok. We get it. The horse is dead already
    That's no way to talk about Larry Bird. I'll have you know he's still with us.

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    So just to be clear, you think a player ought to keep their mouths shut, and then leave..meaning their team gets absolutely nothing when losing a star player.

    How on earth, is say..two late first round draft picks not better than nothing? Regardless of a limited market, there is something there. PG did the Pacers a favor on his way out. Even if it's a small one.


    BTW: I'm pretty confident Lebron James and Kevin Durant got heavily criticized for their actions. And fans of said teams suggested those players should have spoken up...
    If what they say damages their current team's ability to get *anything* back, then yes, it's absolutely a factor. Especially when the relationship prior to this wasn't "bad". There was absolutely nothing to gain by him coming out and leaking this. He simply could've told his team his intentions and then let us do what we could to get assets back and move him. Instead, he leaked it, and added on "LA" and completely killed our ability to get anything back? Why?? Why on earth, I ask you?? How is this okay with you? The move doesn't do *anything* to boost PG at all, and it did nothing but hurt the Pacers. In fact, PG hurt his ability to maximize his trade value or ability to sign elsewhere. He's losing money, and negotiation power with other teams in signing a new contract, because they now have to be afraid he'll pull the same thing with them. Why he was so hell-bent on leaving --- I don't understand either. He was top dog here, could make by far the most money, we were generally competitive. In the end, he's likely going to make a lateral move, and lose money, and still not get closer to home. There was zero sense in doing this. Saying "other teams would've figured out his intentions" doesn't lessen this whatsoever. It's not a "small deal". It's not like the outcome would've been the same no matter what. That is absolutely not the case. Saying "it's his right to be a dickhead, it's not illegal" doesn't lessen the fact that what he did was a dick move, and I question the overall strategy. There is no question it hurt the Pacers, but more baffling, I believe it hurt *PG* himself. Why he did it --- there's no explanation.
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    I ****ing hate this myth that this team is ok with treading water. I'm sick of it. In the past thirty years the Pacers have been one of the most successful teams in the NBA, and is the most successful team to not win a

    To suggest this team doesn't do everything it can to win a championship is downright ****ing stupid .............

    If you can't stand being a fan of a team that fails to win a championship just go become a bandwagon fan because that is the only way you'll be happy with your fandom. Here is some news most teams haven't won a championship in recent memory, and most teams are not even half as successful as the Pacers have been the last thirty years. Most teams are like the Atlanta Hawks. They suck for a while, then bet lucky have a couple good years, then go back to sucking.

    So yeah, because Reggie couldn't beat Jordan, and Paul couldn't beat LeBron claim the Pacers are ok with ****ing treading water. Ignore everything this team has done to be a successful team more times than not. So **** off and go be a fan of the Cavs next year, and which ever team LeBron goes to the following year.

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    I've been a huge pacer fan for over 30 years and have supported the Colts since they moved here. There are a hell of a lot of down years I've been through with them both. I don't demand my teams win every year, but I damn well expect them to have some kind of plan or at least sell me on the fact they do. The last several years the Pacers haven't done that. If deciding who deserves my time makes me a bandwagon fan so be it. I don't give a ****. I'd rather support a 20 win team with a plan than a perpetual 42 win team who's only plan is to not miss the playoffs.

    I do love the whole band wagon thing. Nice to know PD hasn't changed - blindly support the product or you are a band wagoner.

    Edited to add - some of my favorite sports years are watching young guys develope and thinking about the possibilities. That's what this team has robbed me of the last several years - any ability to believe they could be anything but 1st round playoff fodder. So you can shove your self righteous tone.
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    If what they say damages their current team's ability to get *anything* back, then yes, it's absolutely a factor. Especially when the relationship prior to this wasn't "bad". How on earth can you not see this? There was absolutely nothing to gain by him coming out and leaking this. He simply could've told his team his intentions and then let us do what we could to get assets back and move him. Instead, he leaked it, and added on "LA" and completely killed our ability to get anything back? Why?? Why on earth, I ask you?? How is this okay with you? This is the part you are not getting. Saying "other teams would've figured out his intentions" doesn't lessen this whatsoever. It's not a "small deal". It's not like the outcome would've been the same no matter what. That is absolutely not the case. Saying "it's his right to be a dickhead, it's not illegal" doesn't lessen the fact that what he did was a dick move.

    Yes he leaked it (his agent did) months ago during the trade deadline, Pritch had months to prepare.
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    And what would have happened when those teams found out PG isn't going to sign an extension?

    It's not that big of a difference. Teams looking to build aren't going to give up assets for PG if he won't sign an extension. Teams with the potential will take the risk on the idea that maybe they can convince him to stay because they can contend.

    Maybe...MAYBE you get a better deal out of LA out of the gate, and you take that fast..but that's a small maybe.
    I have always respected your opinions on here, but I respectfully and deeply disagree. I have to do a lot of business negotiations, and there is a huge difference between these scenarios. If you are saying that as a GM you would not find one of these scenarios to be much more favorable to your goals, then we are on completely different pages.

    Oh well. I appreciate reading your perspective.

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    And how difficult is it to acknowledge that regardless of "leaking" teams were going to figure out what Paul's intentions are anyway.
    But they wouldn't be CERTAIN - one-year rentals often come with the (perhaps arrogant) thought that if the team does well the player will choose to stay.

    Sure, not knowing or expecting him to move on at the end of the year makes him less valuable to teams than if they know he would sign an extension - but he is more valuable than after being assured directly by his agent that he would never sign with them.
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    Yes he leaked it (his agent did) months ago during the trade deadline, Pritch had months to prepare.
    "Paul wants to play for LA" is a long way from "Paul is definitely leaving at the end of this contract no matter what happens". Acting on the former as if it were the latter is wrong more often than it is right. We'd have traded Reggie Miller in 1995 if we were supposed to react to an agent leak about a want as a done deal.
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    And while Kstat is touting the Bulls "savvy" move giving up a pick to move Butler in a bad trade, I think if Wade hadn't signed his PO the Bulls don't trade Butler. I think the Bulls want Wade to go, idk how that's possible but there's this...

    Paxson said if Wade were really concerned about direction might not have picked up his option
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    So him and his agent stay quiet, the Pacers try and trade him, and the team looking to get him goes "We're just going to need that extension" and PG goes "LOL, no." So then another team tries to trade for him, and they go "We're going to need a handshake agreement on an extension" and PG goes "LOL no." It's just wasting time.

    The idea that you can sneak something like that is silly.
    This literally happens all the time.

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    DD is so right

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    Oh **** it, I'll say it, it's all Lances fault, if he hadn't come back, then all this wouldn't have happened. Paul can't handle it, all the cheers for Lance during a game. Lance make a pass, then a fg, then another pass and the fans completely and utterly lose their minds and Paul stands there, like why they don't do that for me, he make acouple plays and show him all the luv. /green
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    "Paul wants to play for LA" is a long way from "Paul is definitely leaving at the end of this contract no matter what happens". Acting on the former as if it were the latter is wrong more often than it is right. We'd have traded Reggie Miller in 1995 if we were supposed to react to an agent leak about a want as a done deal.
    I posted a video long time ago were the report was that PG's agent was telling teams that if they traded for him he was going to LA anyways.
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    DD is so right

    Heard that this morning and yup pretty much what happened, he has pretty much been given the treatment as of late, shoe contract, NBA2K, definitely living the life. Wish he had that intensity like he had when he was younger, that mindset to prove he was the best, now he more or less wants it given to him.
    Why so SERIOUS

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    I posted a video long time ago were the report was that PG's agent was telling teams that if they traded for him he was going to LA anyways.
    Kind of hope he ends up a Knick, where people's careers go to die, haha.
    Why so SERIOUS

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