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    Great article, the highlighted parts are hilarious






    West left a lot of money on the table to pursue a ring with the Warriors, like a sucker.

    Last night, David West got into history's most expensive viral basketball tangle.

    Kyrie Irving, after beating Steph Curry on the dribble (again) and managing to get a decent layup attempt that fell off the rim, ran around to the other side of the basket when West got the rebound and managed to force a jump ball. West, strong, managed to yank Irving and the ball around after the jump was called, dragging the small guard behind him.

    Tristan Thompson, enforcing, decided this represented a kind of danger to his smaller pal, and opted to get into West's personal space. West, not wanting to be the lesser Tough Guy, shoved his face DEEP into Tristan's, sort of blurring the line between headbutt and kiss, until their teammates converged to yank them apart. Very macho, very alpha, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.



    David West has, all his life, pursued this moment, the golden ring of doing a bunch of fake-*** tough guy s*** in a Finals game. It has no doubt lived in his dreams since he was 15 years old. While most kids would play-act in the driveway like they were drilling the game-winning shot, West probably set up an inflatable water-weighted punching clown and manufactured some obscure resentment that he could extract vengeance upon in the critical moments of a Finals series. This was the manifestation of a lifetime of hoping and dreaming.

    But at what cost?

    There is a type of person who is spending time today dragging on Kevin Durant for leaving the Oklahoma City Thunder and throwing the balance of the NBA into the shitter in pursuit of a title. I think this take sort of misunderstands the incentives at play and misreads the series as it played out.

    Durant took less money and sacrificed profile to win, yes, but he was still the best player on an NBA championship team, and that's a lifelong meal ticket etched in stone. You'll be in the Hall of Fame, you'll get commercial work like 20 years after you retire, the basketball history books will be embossed with your picture forever. Durant really did personally pull the team over the top, over-performing in game after game and sealing the title. He really was the brass-ballsiest dude on the team in difficult moments against the Cavs, and clearly the best player on a team whose core had already won a title.

    Rather than criticize the clear difference-maker, we should save our ire for David West, who will not be remembered as the man who single-handedly flipped the balance of power in the NBA.

    You might recall that West was a member of the 2013-14 Indiana Pacers, which started out strong as hell and looking like a genuine title contender in the East, slumped to the end of the season after its offense fell apart, and wound up getting beat by the last-ever Miami Heat squad of note. The entire vibe around that Pacers team turned very sour very fast. Paul George broke his leg in the off-season, the Pacers missed the playoffs in 2015, and West sat around and frowned and groused to anyone who would listen.



    That year, despite being in line for a starter spot at a mid-level type deal, West did some insane s***: he opted out of his contract with the Pacers, passing on about $11 million, and took the minimum to join the San Antonio Spurs, an already hefty team that had just signed LaMarcus Aldridge and looked (to anyone who wasn't intimately familiar with LaMarcus Aldridge) like a genuine title contender.


    West played well, but the Spurs were eventually crushed by Durant's Oklahoma City Thunder in the Western Conference semis. Once again, he could have probably made more money, but chose instead to keep this sad-*** title hunt going by joining Durant in going to the Warriors. This year, he averaged 12.6 minutes and 4.6 points a game, got into a hilarious Game 5 fracas, and hoisted a trophy.

    A certain type of person will tell you that what West has given up in the pursuit of pure victory is noble—the sign of a true winner, or some **** like that. They are wrong. David West has basically given up $20 million-ish dollars so that he could be the eighth-best player on a team that won the title.


    Now, I suppose you could say, Who cares? Money isn't real, what if we all decided it was worthless one day? Whatever. And yes, that might be true, but you know what has even less assigned value than money? Titles! You can't do s** with titles! You can't buy anything with titles, you can't feed anyone, you can't build anything, you can't do s*** with a 12.6-minutes-a-game title except:


    Produce a small bit of dopamine remembering you have one.

    Demand a fancy ring from your boss for having one.

    Add it to your resume at trading card conventions, which won't even exist in, like, 15 years because people are slowly figuring out that signed trading cards have even less real worth than both money AND titles.

    Use it to meet the President. (Whoops. In fairness to West, though, having this particular President seemed pretty unlikely when he signed with Golden State.)

    West forsook his ability to extract fair compensation from management, all in pursuit of something that holds little or no value to a rational person. He played right into the NBA's prestige trap for no reason other than a thirst for marginal glory and a chance to get his eyes soaked with champagne. These are the actions, in short, of a sucker—someone who let the meta-narrative that sports leagues sell to the public to seem important blind him to the real-life incentives that actually drive rational players in the pro sports economy.

    If the Warriors are going to continue contending, they're going to need more suckers like West to sign on to their Megazord squad for next to nothing. The Dubs are frightening, and will be frightening for the next four to seven years, but they are also capped-out as f*** and playing in a state with a steep income tax. Without the assistance of thirsty, ring-chasing competition-boys like Dave here, Golden State could easily find themselves playing their starters 45 minutes a game just to avoid putting Michael Carter-Williams on the floor at the beginning of the fourth quarter.
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    So who on PD wrote this article?

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    Summary of future replies: David West left a sour taste after mailing it in, didn't really contribute to the championship, whines too much, overrated as a leader, his knees are too old for him to be valuable, etc.

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    Default Re: Drag David West for Title-Hunting, Not Kevin Durant/VICE SPORT

    This is some sad, pathetic stuff..

    It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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    Writer hit the nail on the head. David is a sucker, and he knows it too. After winning the title, David tweeted that winning championship feels better than I thought. Translation: this doesn't feel as good as I thought, and not worth the money and the legacy tarnishing. Tweeting this is over-compensating for a bad decision that he knows to be true.
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    .....or he actually is enjoying it and you're still bitter?

    It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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    .....or he actually is enjoying it and you're still bitter?
    West fake enjoying it. Over celebrated in locker room. Over selling the feeling on Twitter. David is over compensating for something, which is he knows he was a fool to turn down money for cheap ring that any NBA player could have had. Give David's minutes to Tyler Hansbrough, and the same thing happens
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    "Fake tough guy" nailed it. Just because you bark doesn't mean you bite. He had the look but I never saw him do anything "tough" and when times got tough he ran.

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    "Fake tough guy" nailed it. Just because you bark doesn't mean you bite. He had the look but I never saw him do anything "tough" and when times got tough he ran.
    He ran? When?
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    "Fake tough guy" nailed it. Just because you bark doesn't mean you bite. He had the look but I never saw him do anything "tough" and when times got tough he ran.
    Yeah he mailed it in that final season. But we also failed to trade him for a future first at that point. He was still looked upon as a solid veteran somewhat below All-Star level, but still an asset. You can be sour all you want about him getting a ring, but he has been part of one of the best teams the league has ever seen, maybe even the best team ever. You can change the narrative that he was the 8th best player on the best team of all-time, or you can think he is just a tourist on a team that happened to win a title. I am sure he won't lose any sleep because of the contracts he has already had. He gets that ring at a price of so many millions. Congrats to him.
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    Sounds like somebody is jealous.


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    Man that writer is bitter.

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    I really am grateful for the highly experienced and qualified pschologists we have here at PD.
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    He ran? When?
    I'd like to hear an answer to that as well.
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    I'd like to hear an answer to that as well.
    DWest is a smart player and realizes that it's stupid to get into a fight. Find a situation where someone threw a punch at him. They don't do that because he would respond. Dude is old school.
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    DWest is a smart player and realizes that it's stupid to get into a fight. Find a situation where someone threw a punch at him. They don't do that because he would respond. Dude is old school.
    That and isn't he a boxer himself aswell? That means he can definitely recognize a situation and make an estimated calculation of how far he can go and keep himself restrained, even if only just.
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    If David wanted to just be a part of a championship team, even in a limited playing role, then he got what he wanted and I'm happy for him. Nobody has to like or want the same things in life.

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    If David wanted to just be a part of a championship team, even in a limited playing role, then he got what he wanted and I'm happy for him. Nobody has to like or want the same things in life.
    I agree. I have no problem with him chasing rings. Once a player hits around 34, I say go for it. He deserves the chance to get jewelry even if it really has no significance in terms of his legacy.
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    Not a big D West fan anymore- but he's definitely not a fake tough guy. He was trying to be a pro boxer.

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    being an important piece on a mid level team vs being a small cog on a championship team, one mans gold is another mans trash. I do respect that he stands for something. on his death bed, will he regret his decision? a butt load of money he already has, a ring he didn't. But this world is what have you done for me lately. Who one the 2004 NBA championship? Who cares? Who was the MVP of the season? Finals? Who cares? the only person is the one who one it or his teammates, maybe. But i respect David West. What he did for Indiana you can't take away.

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    So who on PD wrote this article?
    I thought I did for a minute LOL
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    Not a big D West fan anymore- but he's definitely not a fake tough guy. He was trying to be a pro boxer.
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    While when things were going well here, I loved David West. Gave us a guy in the frontcourt no one wanted to mess with, and he was lethal from midrange if given any daylight.

    I do think he was a bit overrated here as far as 'leadership' and 'tough guy'. If he was that great of a leader, the team's chemistry wouldn't have snowballed with the Hibbert-Lance feud and the additions of Bynum and Turner (which leads me to believe, he may not have been the leader at all... it was Granger).

    That being said, he did give up $11 million to win a championship, which not a lot of guys can say they did. My biggest issue is that he jumped from the Spurs to the Warriors in the span of one offseason, essentially just making his decisions based on who made the biggest free agency acquisitions (first Aldridge with the Spurs, then Durant with the Warriors). If he had just picked a team and stuck with them the past two seasons, I'd feel less disgusted with his ring chasing. I also think his 'tough guy' altercations with Tristan Thompson and Irving were a little much given that he was a role player who played very limited minutes, and there wasn't much there to have things escalate to that level.

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