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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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Artest, Looking for a Bargain at Circuit City

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    Artest, Looking for a Bargain at Circuit City

    I haven't seen this on here before and I thought it was very funny, very Artest-like. haha

    http://www.bullysports.com/bully/hom...Hu_4598360&v=1


    Artest-ing the Borders of Sanity
    -Scott Coombs (11-12-2004)

    One off-season, while still playing for the Chicago Bulls, Ron Artest applied for a job at Circuit City. On the job application he wrote down "NBA player" as his last job and used Bulls president Jerry Krause's name as a reference. And he did it all just so he could get the employee discount on home electronics.

    Go back and read that paragraph again. An NBA player, earning a seven-digit salary, applied for a job at Circuit City so he could get 10%-15% off of his electronics purchases. He didn't offer to sign a few autographs for customers if they'd give him a deal. He didn't try and use his status as a basketball player to get free stuff. He applied for a summer job. That's the type of guy we're dealing with here. So before you start piling on Mr. Artest for his latest antics, remember that we are dealing with a different cat here, and the normal rules don't apply

    When some people heard that Artest had asked for a month off they instantly started comparing him to Ricky Williams, the Miami Dolphins running back who left his team a week before training camp began so he could travel the world and smoke bud. And the similarities are there. Both are extremely talented athletes, both are or were their team's franchise player, both have interests outside of their sport which are more important to them than the game, and both have left the organizations they play for in an extremely tough spot. But where they differ is that unlike Williams, Artest understands his obligation to the team and is willing to stand by that obligation. Even if it means he can't do the things he's rather be doing, such as promoting his record label.

    That small, but significant, difference in understanding commitment is why the Dolphins are looking for a new running back, and the Pacers still have their All-star forward. So comparing Artest to Williams isn't really fair.

    Others have tried to compare Ron Artest to former NBA bad boy Dennis Rodman. And once again there are uncanny similarities. They are both great rebounders, they both love getting in their opponents' heads with trash talk and crazy on court antics, and they both crave the spotlight more than a reality show contestant. Heck, Artest is even wearing number 91 on his jersey this year as an ode to Rodman. But Artest is unlike Rodman in that he is just being himself, where as Rodman's whole act was contrived. The entire purpose behind Dennis's colored hair, earrings, noserings, tattoos, and wedding dresses was to make people talk. It didn't matter if what they were saying was good or bad. As long as you were talking about him, Dennis was happy.

    That's not how Artest works. He does things that make him happy, no matter how odd and unusual they may be, and if people happen to notice and talk about him so be it. Once again a small difference, but an important one. That one difference explains why Artest isn't running around dating pop stars, marrying models while in a drunken stupor, writing books, or trying to stand out in the crowd Rodman-style. It also explains why he usually tries to fix the problem and apologize quickly when he does something that is outside of the social norm, just as he did with this latest incident. So comparing him to Rodman isn't the best idea either.

    Maybe rather than try to decide which outrageous athlete Artest is most like, we should just accept him for who is: a strange guy who marches to the beat of his own drummer. This isn't the first time Ron has done something strange, and it definitely won't be the last. And the faster Larry Bird, Donny Walsh, and the Indiana Pacers front office learns this the better they'll be able to deal with him in the future. It will also ease their minds when wondering if they should trade Artest, because they know if they do they'll never get fair market value for a player of his caliber.

    I mean where else can you find a player that will get you 10-15% off of all electronics at Circuit City?
    Life without water is tough, life without air is hard,life with one leg only is wobbly, Life without Reggie Miller, is impossible.

    Do Not Trade Austin

    Originally posted by Conrad Brunner
    Veteran Austin Croshere, the longest-tenured Pacers player on the roster, has proven reliable when called upon, invariably ready to step in regardless of the circumstance.
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    Re: Artest, Looking for a Bargain at Circuit City

    If there's one thing that is absolutely untrue in that article, its the statement that Artest and Rodman are "both great rebounders."

    Ron's career high rpg average is just over 5.

    EDIT - WTF? I can't even find Ron's 'player page' on Pacers.com or NBA.com to provide a link to his career stats. Same for John Edwards, btw, but that's fine by me.
    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
    And life itself, rushing over me
    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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      Re: Artest, Looking for a Bargain at Circuit City

      I am a even bigger dork, though. I saved the page just before he got kicked out.

      http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/player...e?statsId=3339
      You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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      • #4
        Re: Artest, Looking for a Bargain at Circuit City

        Originally posted by vapacersfan


        This is very old, and it was posted on here, back in the day.

        Jay, his page was taken down as soon as he was suspended (I am the dork who checked)

        Oh, that's right... I looked at his stats last week at basketballrefernce.com; not nba.com. Sorry for any confusion.
        Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
        Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
        Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
        Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
        And life itself, rushing over me
        Life itself, the wind in black elms,
        Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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        • #5
          Re: Artest, Looking for a Bargain at Circuit City

          Crap. You guys were looking at NBA.com

          Oh well. ESPN did the same thing.
          You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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          • #6
            Re: Artest, Looking for a Bargain at Circuit City

            Sorry Didn't look that far back to see it, I just though the date was funny, I wonder what this guy would think one week later.
            Life without water is tough, life without air is hard,life with one leg only is wobbly, Life without Reggie Miller, is impossible.

            Do Not Trade Austin

            Originally posted by Conrad Brunner
            Veteran Austin Croshere, the longest-tenured Pacers player on the roster, has proven reliable when called upon, invariably ready to step in regardless of the circumstance.

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            • #7
              Re: Artest, Looking for a Bargain at Circuit City

              Originally posted by Jay@Section204
              Oh, that's right... I looked at his stats last week at basketballrefernce.com; not nba.com. Sorry for any confusion.
              http://www.nba.com/playerfile/ron_artest/

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              • #8
                Re: Artest, Looking for a Bargain at Circuit City

                I never read the article...much less the part about him applying for a job at Circuit City. That's not only funny.....but wierd. Not wierd as in....Rodman coloring his hair different shades and wearing a brides dress.....wierd as in
                Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                • #9
                  Re: Artest, Looking for a Bargain at Circuit City

                  Is this more bazarre than him getting out in front of the pistons bus with just his short shorts?
                  Life without water is tough, life without air is hard,life with one leg only is wobbly, Life without Reggie Miller, is impossible.

                  Do Not Trade Austin

                  Originally posted by Conrad Brunner
                  Veteran Austin Croshere, the longest-tenured Pacers player on the roster, has proven reliable when called upon, invariably ready to step in regardless of the circumstance.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Artest, Looking for a Bargain at Circuit City

                    I used to work at Circuit City in Castleton....Pacers love that place. When I worked there I saw Bender, Jermaine, and Foster and I heard Artest was in there a few times. I used to see Jalen Rose in there a lot too when I was just a shopper.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Artest, Looking for a Bargain at Circuit City

                      I worked at Guitar Center and Bender/Artest were always in there. They came in there with some "sketchy" individuals who I presume were their "crew."

                      I'd tell you what I really knew about these two from talking to them at Guitar Center, but i'm not sure most of you would believe it.

                      Wait, yeah you would. Bender just smokes a lot of pot. Basically.
                      *removed* Just keep politics and religion completely out of it, please.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Artest, Looking for a Bargain at Circuit City

                        Pot is supposed to relieve joint aches and pains, right?

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                        • #13
                          Re: Artest, Looking for a Bargain at Circuit City

                          Haha, my friend said he saw Croshere up at the movie theater on 96th street and said he was high.....I'm so glad the millions of dollars those two idiots are being paid is going to good use. You'd think the NBA might do drug testing when most places (including Circuit City) make their employees take drug tests.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Artest, Looking for a Bargain at Circuit City

                            Jesus, that quote from Sjack in your sig? When/where did he say that. That is awesome. Bender was always blatantly high at Guitar Center. Had some small little kid that was also clearly stoned.

                            Since it is Guitar Center most people that work there smoke and most customers do also. So, apparently Bender and one of our guys that always "took care" of him exchanged some light hearted jokes about the marijuana.

                            I never wanted to post this, cuz I thought I might get in trouble but it's true.
                            *removed* Just keep politics and religion completely out of it, please.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Artest, Looking for a Bargain at Circuit City

                              Doesn't JO hang out with Rashweed. Now it kind of makes sense. Tinsley sure does seem to have some endurance issues.
                              *removed* Just keep politics and religion completely out of it, please.

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