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    on the realgm.com website there is a mock draft article. the article states a rumor that atlanta and NO may work out a draft day deal. Al and the #2 would go to NO for magloire and the #4. There would obviously have to be cap filler involved, but I thought it was interesting none the least.

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    "4.) New Orleans Hornets : Chris Paul, PG, Wake Forest, So.

    There have been some Hornet rumors that have them trading center Jamaal Magloire and this pick to the Hawks for the #2 and Al Harrington. Iím not sure if that works under the CBA trading rules right now because Magloire is a base-year player, meaning that his contract doesnít escalate with each passing year, so his cap number is different for him. If the rumors arenít true, then Paul still is the best choice right here. He and J.R. Smith would be one the best scoring and most exciting backcourts in the league, even if only 8,00 people in New Orleans will be watching. "

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    Poor Al, he would be going from one bad team to another. When his contract is up he will probably look fondly at the Pacers.

    Like Dale did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Galen
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    Poor Al, he would be going from one bad team to another. When his contract is up he will probably look fondly at the Pacers.

    Like Dale did.
    I have little sympathy for Al...he's getting exactly what he asked LB for

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    And Al thought he was in Hell in Atlanta.....Wait until he gets to New Orleans with George Shin as an Owner.....

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    And Al thought he was in Hell in Atlanta.....Wait until he gets to New Orleans with George Shin as an Owner.....

    Poor little Baby AL
    Al wanted to be "The Man"... unfortunately for Al to be "The Man" he needs to play on a weak team IMHO. IOW, if Al Harrington is your go to guy, game in and game out, then you'll have problems.

    I think he was a selfish player prone to bouts of pouting with the Pacers. Since Atlanta is ready to move him already (if the stories are true) then they must not be highly impressed with him either. That said, I'll admit I followed little of his career with the Hawks.

    Some players don't know how good they have it. There's nothing shameful about being the 6th man and if Al could've embraced that role and ran with it he'd still be a Pacer and probably be making more here than anywhere else he will go to at any point in his career (the front office is loyal and shows it with the checkbook for players they want to keep).

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    As for the trade, it does make some sense.

    The Hawks could become a bit better having a guy like Magloire in the middle, and the Hornets could use Al at the SF.

    The Hawks feel they could still get Paul at the #4 pick here, with the Bucks taking Bogut, the Hornets taking Williams, and the Blazers taking Gerald Green.

    I would think this would cause the Hornets to trade PJ Brown to a contender (Miami would seem reasonable).
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    On RealGM, there was a proposal of Bender and the #17 to bring Al back here. Hawks fans seem generally pleased with the idea. How do you guys feel about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shade
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    On RealGM, there was a proposal of Bender and the #17 to bring Al back here. Hawks fans seem generally pleased with the idea. How do you guys feel about it?
    Mixed emotions really.

    I liked him when he was here the first few years, but than he had to become a sort of small blackhole and wanted to have a larger role on the team, which frankly I don't think he deserves given his talent, etc.

    I would like him to lead our second unit, offcourse. We need more offense from the back up PF spot, well ... there ya go, but I see chemistry problems reaching an all time high as he will get lesser minutes if he were to return with the emergence of JJ and SJax also beying able to play SF when needed, while David Harrisson at center might also provide us with more minutes for Jermaine at his natural PF position, meaning ... lesser minutes for Al at both back up PF and SF since the last time he was around here. Knowing Al, he won't like that AT ALL.

    So, in other words, talentwise it's nice, we also do a quantity for quality trade which in my opinion is what we need (we are maybe TOO deep), but chemistry is likely to suffer, so I would say "no" to this deal.

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    JB and #17 for Al would be an absolute steal for the Hawks. Especially if Jon can get anything going.

    Al was dang good until RA showed up...then he started getting jealous, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shade
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    On RealGM, there was a proposal of Bender and the #17 to bring Al back here. Hawks fans seem generally pleased with the idea. How do you guys feel about it?
    Wow.

    Atlanta fans really are desperate.
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    On RealGM, there was a proposal of Bender and the #17 to bring Al back here. Hawks fans seem generally pleased with the idea. How do you guys feel about it?
    Any Hawk fan with half a brain would say hell no. If nothing else, Billy Knight values his team's cap space. Taking on Bender's contract for two years is something Billy Knight will not do.

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    Any Hawk fan with half a brain would say hell no. If nothing else, Billy Knight values his team's cap space. Taking on Bender's contract for two years is something Billy Knight will not do.
    actually the concept might not be as far fetched as it seems....it appears atlanta is becoming more and more convinced that they arent gonna be able to attract big time free agents....and even if they attract one its still gonna be tought to attract enuff to become competitive....so they appear wanting to really acquire alot of young talent...and then use some of that talent to trade with...

    heres why the trade isnt quite as stupid as it sounds....though i dont see it happening for a number of reasons....

    al will be in the final year of his contract....which means atlanta stands to lose him....they either ante up and have to probably pay him more than all the other teams-because al probably wont be excited to stay either....or they lose him totally...al and jb's contracts are about the same in the way of dollars this year...with jb having one more year than al....so if atlanta gets into this game of trading similar guys while adding a young first round talent they effectively get better while not really affecting their cap number....they then would probably turn around and trade jb next year to someone wanting cap space....

    its interesting...and not necessarily the dumbest idea...since there seem to be health concerns with both players its not a stretch either....

    i just dont think the pacers want al back...though if ron is gone that might certainly change somewhat....though i still think they need a better outside shooter at that spot....

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    Quote Originally Posted by sixthman
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    Any Hawk fan with half a brain would say hell no.
    Which is why MOST Hawk fans like the idea!

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    The question in my mind is would Al want to do that. If yes, then I'm all for it.

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    The question in my mind is would Al want to do that. If yes, then I'm all for it.

    Bring Al home.

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    I don't know Geezer. I haven't seen as many Pacers games as some of you have, because of my "location", but I have always understood that Al came back a changed man, so to say, after his season ending injury. When was that btw? 2001?

    I got the feeling from looking at the few games I could see and from other people posting that when he came back he had resorted to be more of an offensive player instead of a defensive one. I remember people particularly beying fond of his defence, before his injury occured, after that I get the feeling most people felt he had maybe lost a step.

    On the other hand I wouldn't be surprised if envy of Ron would have played a role in Al's mind either and his decision to taking more shots.

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    My feeling would be that it would be nice to have Al back, especially now that he knows what he was giving up by leaving the Pacers ... but (barring Artest, whom I don't think Al comes close to replacing) I don't think SF is where our problems lie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by purdue101
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    Iím not sure if that works under the CBA trading rules right now because Magloire is a base-year player, meaning that his contract doesnít escalate with each passing year, so his cap number is different for him.
    1. That's not what base-year means.
    2. It doesn't matter anyway, because Atlanta's under the cap.

    And for the record, no thanks to the Al-for-Bender swap. JJ will give us more next year than Al would. Al's the better player, but JJ fits our team needs better.
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    1. That's not what base-year means.
    2. It doesn't matter anyway, because Atlanta's under the cap.

    And for the record, no thanks to the Al-for-Bender swap. JJ will give us more next year than Al would. Al's the better player, but JJ fits our team needs better.

    Good point. As is, JJ knows that next year he will most likely be backing up Artest and Jackson at times. If we traded for Al, I highly doubt that JJ would resign with us.

    I have changed my mind. Unless we trade Artest or Jackson I see no use for Al. And that's not going to happen before the draft, so no to Al . . . at this time.

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    1. That's not what base-year means.
    2. It doesn't matter anyway, because Atlanta's under the cap.

    And for the record, no thanks to the Al-for-Bender swap. JJ will give us more next year than Al would. Al's the better player, but JJ fits our team needs better.

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    And for the record, no thanks to the Al-for-Bender swap. JJ will give us more next year than Al would. Al's the better player, but JJ fits our team needs better.
    During Al's last year, he was playing as much power forward as he was small forward. If Al was willing to come off the bench (which he wouldn't be), then he would replace JO and JJ would replace Artest.

    I would be happy with trading Bender and #17 for Al Harrington, but it would be dependent on whether Al wanted to come back and fill his role. He would be able to get a lot of minutes, he just wouldn't be able to start. My main problem with Al when he was with us was that he wanted to pull up 20-foot fadeaways from the baseline when he had the ability to back his man down to the basket.

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    Jon & the # 17 for Al????

    Do I have to drive Bender to the aiport or will we all chip in for cab fair?

    This is such a no brain decision from me I can't even stand it. Hell this is almost as good as getting Dale Davis as a free agent for almost nothing. (ok, no it's not but you get my point).

    Al is, IMO anyway, unfairly labled on this board as a whiner when all he did was what almost any player in is position would do.

    Besides not only is he a good player but it would be nice to have him as insurance in case another certain small forward took some time off in the up coming season.


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    Jon & the # 17 for Al????

    Do I have to drive Bender to the aiport or will we all chip in for cab fair?

    This is such a no brain decision from me I can't even stand it. Hell this is almost as good as getting Dale Davis as a free agent for almost nothing. (ok, no it's not but you get my point).

    Al is, IMO anyway, unfairly labled on this board as a whiner when all he did was what almost any player in is position would do.

    Besides not only is he a good player but it would be nice to have him as insurance in case another certain small forward took some time off in the up coming season.
    jj getting married or something?

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    jj getting married or something?
    I agree with you that there's about a 90% chance of Artest being gone by the trade deadline.

    Well, as long as he doesn't have another of his "episodes" the first two months of the season.
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    During Al's last year, he was playing as much power forward as he was small forward. If Al was willing to come off the bench (which he wouldn't be), then he would replace JO and JJ would replace Artest.
    They're not going to bring Al back to play 10 minutes a night. He'd get all the backup minutes at both forward spots.

    I'd trade him for Bender and the pick, no question. You make that trade on value and don't worry about how the pieces fit. But I might trade him again before the deadline.
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