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    For this to work, JO really needs to learn how to pass the ball...

    I wouldn't say that because then someone might say your Calling JO a ball hog and jump all over you when you really should be cussing at Rick for Jermaine's lack of court vision.
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    I remember him scoring in the high 20s 3 or more times before 11/19 in the "faster" offense.
    if i recall correctly...i checked this a while back...

    jo was averaging nearly 30 a game before the brawl in games he started and ron was 25....

    the team looked really really good...i know weve been thru alot...but wow...can we really forget how much we really dominated the pistons that nite...

    and i can remember almost getting goose bumps before the game when hearing ben wallaces comments regarding it not going to be a regular game...that it was definitely a statement game kept coming out of players from both teams....the intensity level was amazing for a regular season game-especially so early in the season....

    and we flat drilled them...the team looked great....i think it really gets lost how great we were playing as a team back then...partially because of rons 'time off'....but the facts are facts...those games were impressive...

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    I remember him scoring in the high 20s 3 or more times before 11/19 in the "faster" offense.
    Which wasn't bad, considering he was supposed to be on the I.L. anyway.
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    Which wasn't bad, considering he was supposed to be on the I.L. anyway.
    yup..exactly...IIRC...he missed the first game, came off the bench the 2nd and maybe the third....when early on they were talking about him missing 5-10 games...

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    No, we discussed it at the time. You're definitely right. I guess on nights you only have 6 players you probably don't want to run the whole time. And running's hard when your players aren't used to each other. So this would have been a rough season to do much running.

    We'll see what happens this fall.
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    Jermaine's point totals before/including the Incident:
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    For this to work, JO really needs to learn how to pass the ball...
    JO needs to pass the ball and the other players need to move without the ball so there is someone to pass the ball to in a position other than behind the 3-point line.

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    I will predict that if Artest, Tinsley and Jackson are all in the starting lineup there is NO WAY Carlisle can stop them from running! Add to that a healthy Bender (Tounge Firmly in Cheek), Fred Jones and Foster and you have a team that can run with the best of them. Maybe Bird realizes that and is setting up his expectations with Carlisle. Carlisle is not stupid, he will do whatever he needs to do to win with the makeup of his team. If running will win games, he'll do it. I think maybe the reigns were held back a little on the running because of Reggie. Reggie was great spotting up for 3's on the break, but when he missed them it often led to quick shots on the other end.
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    JO needs to pass the ball and the other players need to move without the ball so there is someone to pass the ball to in a position other than behind the 3-point line.


    Very good point. It seems to me that when JO was hurt this team did an excellent job of moving the ball, moving without the ball and penetrating the lane. When JO came back it was back to the "dribble, dribble, pass to O'Neal, stand and watch" game.
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    Very good point. It seems to me that when JO was hurt this team did an excellent job of moving the ball, moving without the ball and penetrating the lane. When JO came back it was back to the "dribble, dribble, pass to O'Neal, stand and watch" game.

    This is exactly right, I think that JO was just trying to make a point to say he was back but really all it got him was a poor shooting percentage and the visibility to be traded.
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    I think we would need a change at one of the swing positions if we were to try this.

    Someone who is an excellent penetrator, shooter, and passer would be ideal.

    I guess that is where Ray Allen makes sense.




    I don't like this idea, though. It is not David Harrison style ball. If we become a running team, he might not get a lot of playing time.
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    Is it possible to have a "running-team" that can still provide a top 5 defensive team?

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    The Spurs are an underrated running team in my opinion. They have shown they can play any style, any night.

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    Am I the only one who noticed our offense opening up and become a little faster up until 11/19?
    Yeah, but I think it can be characterized more as a "light jog" as opposed to a "run".
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    Yeah, but I think it can be characterized more as a "light jog" as opposed to a "run".
    Wouldn't you take a light jog over what we were doing in the playoffs?

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    Wouldn't you take a light jog over what we were doing in the playoffs?
    Of course. But it's still a foregone conclusion we will never, ever "run" with Rick as our coach. Just ain't happening.
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    Would "running" compromise our defense?
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    ^^^that's what I am trying to figure out.....I don't know if its a coincidence that the best 2 defensive teams happen to be the 2 teams in the league that slowsdown and drag their offense to a grinding halt.

    I know that the Spurs are perfectly capable of ratcheting the offense to a "run and gun" style ( just like they did against the Suns ), but there is a difference between doing it in a 5 game series compared to doing it all the time in a 80+ game season.

    Is it possible to play a slow-everything-down-to-molasses defense while doing a run-and-gun offense?

    I have no idea.

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    Is it possible to play a slow-everything-down-to-molasses defense while doing a run-and-gun offense?
    Yes, San Antonio has been doing it all year long with that new offense of theirs.
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    I expect Indiana to do alot more of this next season even by not making any roster moves, simply because Reggie is gone and I don't think the team could really run a whole lot with him in the game.

    Also, does anyone wonder if this will be Rick's final year as the Pacers coach? Not only because Bird wants a more up tempo team but does anyone remember Bird saying that a coache's philosophy goes south on a team after 3 years? I'm pretty sure Bird has said something to that affect before and that has been in the back of my mind lately.

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    I expect Indiana to do alot more of this next season even by not making any roster moves, simply because Reggie is gone and I don't think the team could really run a whole lot with him in the game.

    Also, does anyone wonder if this will be Rick's final year as the Pacers coach? Not only because Bird wants a more up tempo team but does anyone remember Bird saying that a coache's philosophy goes south on a team after 3 years? I'm pretty sure Bird has said something to that affect before and that has been in the back of my mind lately.
    whos to say he just wont change all the players that have been around for 3 years????

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    I expect Indiana to do alot more of this next season even by not making any roster moves, simply because Reggie is gone and I don't think the team could really run a whole lot with him in the game.

    Also, does anyone wonder if this will be Rick's final year as the Pacers coach? Not only because Bird wants a more up tempo team but does anyone remember Bird saying that a coache's philosophy goes south on a team after 3 years? I'm pretty sure Bird has said something to that affect before and that has been in the back of my mind lately.

    I've thought about this quite often as well. I think Bird is wishing he wouldn't have said those words at this point.

    I think there will come a time when the team won't buy into Carlisle's system but with the movement of players I think it will be another 2-3 years at least. That could be longer if Carlisle changes his style like Bird is hinting at.
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    You've got to be a good defensive team and a great rebounding team to run.

    You can't run off made field goals, period. Well, unless you've got Rambis making the entry pass to Magic and halfcourt with Byron and Worthy already making backdoor cuts to the basket and Kareem as the 'trailer'. Otherwise, you need defensive stops; turnovers and rebounds - and preferable long rebounds because you've convinced the other team to take long jumpshots.

    Now, the real question is, can a running team play the type of single-possession, lock-down defense that is required at crunch time in a playoff series? There's no reason they can't, of course.
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    I don't want a run and gun offense... I just want to see crisp ball movement and player movement along with some 'out' from the 'inside-outside' offense. Not an inside-everyone stop-JO shoots offense.

    Whoever it is, JO or Carlisle or other, who is insisting on stagnating the offense and JO holding the ball and forcing shots can either learn a new trick or leave tomorrow as far as I am concerned. If that is all the offense is going to amount to then we won't be hanging a banner doing it that anyway.

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    I don't want a run and gun offense... I just want to see crisp ball movement and player movement along with some 'out' from the 'inside-outside' offense. Not an inside-everyone stop-JO shoots offense.

    Whoever it is, JO or Carlisle or other, who is insisting on stagnating the offense and JO holding the ball and forcing shots can either learn a new trick or leave tomorrow as far as I am concerned. If that is all the offense is going to amount to then we won't be hanging a banner doing it that anyway.

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