For example, I've thought your position on the brawl was clear, in that a) Ron was wrong, b) the punishment was too harsh and two wrongs don't make a right, c) you're hopeful that the punishment and counseling contribute to a "new" Ron because you realize the "old" Ron hurts the Pacers in many different ways.
Anyway, I doubt that anyone will believe me when I say this, but if Ron can get his act together and prove it consistently, and over a long enough term for me to believe its permanent, he will redeem himself with me. It is a possibility. I've had the same roadmap for him to follow to redemption for a long time, he just isn't very successful at staying on the right roads for very long.
So I just have 0.000000000% confidence that he can do it.
Perhaps I'm missing something, but Foretaz seems to be fresh from a "building consensus" seminar or something. And it seems to trouble him that some of us formed our opinions on the situation years before he joined the conversation. You can call me "close minded" all you want; but I considered all those facts and alternatives a long time ago and found them to be un-compelling then and and un-compelling now.
Here's my position, in case anyone has forgotten or hasn't seen it. I was a Pacers fan long before this chucklehead joined them, and I'll be a Pacers fan long after this chucklehead leaves them. But I was opposed to the idea of the Pacers trading for him because I knew how disruptive he had been to the Bulls. As a Pacer, I will cheer for him when he makes good plays solely because he plays for the blue-and-gold. But I do not, and will not, endorse him as a member of the Pacers. My analysis is that he's a big part of the reason why this team never reaches its potential, even though some of that potential is closely tied to just how good of a player he could become. There are other reasons the Pacers never reach thier potential as well, and its my right as a fan to point those out and criticize, whether its coaching/ strategy, personnel decisions, or bad play. Other fans may choose not to exercise thier right to criticize, but that doesn't make me 1) wrong, 2) any less of a fan, 3) any more or any less valuable to PD than members of the brigade. And when I criticize, I'm really just begging the Pacers to prove me wrong; to win a championship.