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Shaq calls out Big Ben

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  • #16
    Re: Shaq calls out Big Ben

    Originally posted by PacerMan
    Shaq is like the 12 y/o bully stating he can whip any 10 year old.

    Do you not agree what Ben is the posterboy of "tough defense"?

    Ben is the reining DPOY. Shaq is telling the supposed best defender in the league that he isn't playing good defense. Because Shaq is dominating him, you use an analogy of him being a bully?
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    • #17
      Re: Shaq calls out Big Ben

      Who CAN guard Shaq one-on-one? Nobody, that's who. I remember when Portland traded for Dale Davis, specifically for that reason, and Shaq made Davis his personal ***** in the first round of the playoffs.

      The players who guard Shaq the best are big guys with a lot of girth (Elden Campbell) or short bigs who are strong as hell (Anthony Mason). But nobody can stop Shaq. The reason Brown doesn't put Sheed on Shaq is because he needs him on the offensive end.

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      • #18
        Re: Shaq calls out Big Ben

        Originally posted by Since86
        Do you not agree what Ben is the posterboy of "tough defense"?

        Ben is the reining DPOY. Shaq is telling the supposed best defender in the league that he isn't playing good defense. Because Shaq is dominating him, you use an analogy of him being a bully?

        shaq outweighs ben by 100 lbs. He's TWICE his size.

        yeah shaq, congratulations on being able to back down a player the size of the average power forward. Must make you feel like a big man.

        FYI, ben's a speed defender, not a size defender. Put him on Amare Stoudemire, and he'd put the clamps on him. Hut Ben's speed is useless against shaq, because you can't out quick a guy 2 feet from the rim.

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        • #19
          Re: Shaq calls out Big Ben

          I think Shaq has some fear against Wallace or else he would not say something like this to the public...

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          • #20
            Re: Shaq calls out Big Ben

            Originally posted by Kstat
            shaq outweighs ben by 100 lbs. He's TWICE his size.

            yeah shaq, congratulations on being able to back down a player the size of the average power forward. Must make you feel like a big man.

            FYI, ben's a speed defender, not a size defender. Put him on Amare Stoudemire, and he'd put the clamps on him. Hut Ben's speed is useless against shaq, because you can't out quick a guy 2 feet from the rim.

            You're point is? Obviously LB thinks that he's the best one to guard him. If Elden Campbell guards the best offensive player in the league better than Ben, then seems to me he needs to hand over the hardware........

            FYI, I've been saying for the past 2yrs that I don't think Ben is a good one on one defender. He doesn't use on ball speed, he uses speed to get across the lane and getting off his feet.

            But that's beside the point. Shaq is telling Ben to take it like a man and not flop, something you said you had no respect for when it obtained to Wade and his injury.......
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            • #21
              Re: Shaq calls out Big Ben

              Let's not kid ourselves....whether we like it or not.....Ben Wallace is one of the best defensive players in the league. But I get this "I'm the best **** in the world and you can't do anything about it" attitude from him ( which he has earned the right to do ) since the Pistons won it all last year.

              I LOVE that Shaq ( the one guy that is one of the MOST dominant force of Nature in the NBA ) has called him out. Frankly....he's one of the only people in the entire league that can do it and back it up with his actions.
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              • #22
                Re: Shaq calls out Big Ben

                You're point is? Obviously LB thinks that he's the best one to guard him. If Elden Campbell guards the best offensive player in the league better than Ben, then seems to me he needs to hand over the hardware........
                Guess That means Ron's 2003 trophy was a fluke, too. I mean, Ron couldn't guard Rip Hamilton, and he's not even the best scorer at his own POSITION......

                nothing like double standards, i guess.

                But that's beside the point. Shaq is telling Ben to take it like a man and not flop, something you said you had no respect for when it obtained to Wade and his injury.......
                When Shaq shoves ben to the floor, thats not a flop. And don't even begin to tell me that ben's been flopping against shaq.

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                • #23
                  Re: Shaq calls out Big Ben

                  So you guys are saying that if it was Jeff or JO Shaq was plowing over to get to the basket they would just be flopping? Yeah right.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Shaq calls out Big Ben

                    Originally posted by Kstat
                    Guess That means Ron's 2003 trophy was a fluke, too. I mean, Ron couldn't guard Rip Hamilton, and he's not even the best scorer at his own POSITION......
                    See that's where you and me are different. You make excuses for why Shaq is eating up Ben, while I just except the fact that some people have others numbers.

                    My post which you quote was more directed at labeling Shaq a "bully" because I don't know how you can bully the labeled best. That's like someone clobbering Tyson about 10yrs ago, and calling the other boxer a bully.


                    Originally posted by Kstat
                    When Shaq shoves ben to the floor, thats not a flop. And don't even begin to tell me that ben's been floppign against shaq.
                    Last night I watched Shaq turn and face only to have Ben scream and hit the floor. I admit I thought it was a foul, BEFORE I saw the replay from the baseline angle, which was right where the ref was standing. When Ben gets blown back by breeze, I call it a f-l-o-p.

                    EDIT: Obviously Shaq knows when people flop against him lot better than we do, considering he actually knows the amount of contact. I'll take him, which is actually playing, saying Ben is flopping than you, which is watching it on TV, saying he isn't.
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                    • #25
                      Re: Shaq calls out Big Ben

                      Originally posted by Since86
                      Do you not agree what Ben is the posterboy of "tough defense"?

                      Ben is the reining DPOY. Shaq is telling the supposed best defender in the league that he isn't playing good defense. Because Shaq is dominating him, you use an analogy of him being a bully?
                      Yes he is the posterboy for tough D.

                      Shaq is 6" and 50+ lbs bigger.

                      I don't call him a bully because he's dominating a much smaller opponent.
                      I call him a bully because he's a smug mouthed Ahole BRAGGING about how he's dominating a much smaller opponent.

                      Perhaps "Punk" would have been a better analogy.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Shaq calls out Big Ben

                        I remember watching the Heat/Nets Playoffs......Shaq was using his @ss to backdown some Skinny@ss Nets Center to get better position to dunch the ball.....that guy got knocked to his butt like he was hit by a car.

                        Its funny...but true.....when Shaq backs that HUGE @SS of his into a player....they have no choice but to get their butts handed to them on the floor while Shaq dunks on them from above.
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                        • #27
                          Re: Shaq calls out Big Ben

                          Originally posted by SycamoreKen
                          So you guys are saying that if it was Jeff or JO Shaq was plowing over to get to the basket they would just be flopping? Yeah right.
                          I think he has a way of making serious impacts look like incidental contact.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Shaq calls out Big Ben

                            EDIT: Obviously Shaq knows when people flop against him lot better than we do, considering he actually knows the amount of contact. I'll take him, which is actually playing, saying Ben is flopping than you, which is watching it on TV, saying he isn't.
                            apparently you haven't been watching shaq for the last 12 years.

                            Shaq accuses every player that has ever guarded him of flopping. It goes back to his nightly quote, "its nothing they do. Its all me. Nobody can stop me." According to shaq, he;s bever commtied an offensive foul in his life. Its all flopping.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Shaq calls out Big Ben

                              Originally posted by PacerMan
                              Yes he is the posterboy for tough D.

                              Shaq is 6" and 50+ lbs bigger.

                              I don't call him a bully because he's dominating a much smaller opponent.
                              I call him a bully because he's a smug mouthed Ahole BRAGGING about how he's dominating a much smaller opponent.

                              Perhaps "Punk" would have been a better analogy.

                              "My thing is, if you're the Defensive Player of the Year, show me," O'Neal said. "Show me. That's my thing. "They publicly said they're not going to double me, and they don't double me, so I'm just going to take the high-percentage shots. I just wish people would stand there and take it, instead of acting. Lot of acting going on."

                              That's his only quotes from the entire article. He doesn't say anything about dominating them. The only thing he is doing is saying he doesn't want Ben to flop.
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                              • #30
                                Re: Shaq calls out Big Ben

                                Originally posted by Since86
                                "My thing is, if you're the Defensive Player of the Year, show me," O'Neal said. "Show me. That's my thing. "They publicly said they're not going to double me, and they don't double me, so I'm just going to take the high-percentage shots. I just wish people would stand there and take it, instead of acting. Lot of acting going on."

                                That's his only quotes from the entire article. He doesn't say anything about dominating them. The only thing he is doing is saying he doesn't want Ben to flop.
                                No, when shaq throws his elbows into ben's chest, he better be able to stay on his feet, or apparently he's just not man enough.

                                shaq could haul off and throw a haymaker at ben, and he'd STILL call it "acting."

                                Gee shaq, i'm sure ben's sorry he isn't 350 lbs like you. You're big and strong. Congratulations. You USED to be highly skilled, but now you just lumber into the paint and back people down.

                                And you know what? If you got it, why not use it?

                                I'm just a little sisapointed that Shaq is gloating over being stronger than a player 6'8" and 245lbs.

                                That's not a difference in skill, its a difference in height and weight.

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