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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

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Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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    Something I totally forgot about...

    Last year, around November, I was writing a persuasive essay about why Reggie Miller should be in the NBA's 50th Greatest Players list. I promised to put it up when I got my grade on it and had it returned. Welp, here it is. I got an A on the paper as well. I finished this on the 9th of November. A lot of the stats aren't updated.
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    The NBA’s Top 50 Greatest Players of All-Time List must drop one of the existing players to make way for another player who deserves to be there. Reggie Miller may never have been a top-ten player throughout his career, but his contributions to the game, individual career statistics, and performance are impressive enough to easily put him on the list.

    Reggie Miller, a five-time All-Star (1990, ‘95, ‘96, ‘98, and 2000) was drafted as the 11th overall pick by the Indiana Pacers in 1987. Since then he has been named to the All-NBA Third team three times in 1994-95, 1995-96, and 1997-98. He was named to the 1987-88 NBA All-Rookie Second Team after averaging 10.0 points per game and 2.3 rebounds per game during the regular season. (“NBA.com: Reggie Miller Bio”)

    The main statistic about Reggie Miller that should be considered with high appreciation is how many games he has played with the Pacers. Only other two players, Utah’s Stockton and Malone, have played more games with the same team (“NBA.com: Reggie Miller Bio”). Reggie has played 1,323 games in his career. That puts him 7th on the NBA’s All-Time list of games played (“NBA.com”). Until recently, out of 18 years of playing NBA basketball, Reggie has only missed 31 games due to injury. Every single NBA minute that he has played was in a Pacers uniform. Altogether he has recorded 45,514 minutes, putting him 8th in most minutes ever played (“NBA.com”). In 1993,
    Reggie became the Pacers’ All-Time leading scorer. In 1995, he was the first Pacer to start in an NBA All-Star game. Furthermore, he is 2nd in all-time Pacers assists’ behind Vern Fleming (“NBA.com: Reggie Miller Bio”).

    Reggie’s three-point shooting is what defined his career. Larry Brown, former Pacer coach and now Detroit Pistons’ coach, said, “…He’s the best I’ve ever seen. No matter how many times he shoots or his field goal percentage, he never stops working. … You let up on him one time and he kills you. That’s why he’s so special. Amid all the change (with the Pacers’ franchise) he’s been the one constant. … On the court he stretches your defense."(“Pacers: Quotes: Pacers-Pistons G1”) Miller has hit more three-pointers in his career than any other player. His record setting 2,464 three-point shots made has put him 1st in that category (“NBA.com”). For fifteen consecutive seasons, Reggie surpassed 100 three-pointers made, another NBA record (“NBA.com: Reggie Miller Bio”). His three-point percentage is .398, 24th best of all time (“NBA.com”). The 3-pt FG was not introduced into the NBA until the 1980 season. In the first few years, no team really shot many. Miller entered the league in 1988, and by 1998, he was the all time leader. Now, he’s putting serious distance between himself and all others (“Pacers: New Book Ranks Reggie Among NBA’s 50 Greatest”).

    Another achievement is being 14th on the all-time scorers’ list, surpassing the famous Charles Barkley. Reggie has scored 24,305 points in his career; 526 points away from the 13th position. He also has a career average of 18.4 points (“NBA.com: Reggie Miller Bio”). Miller averaged at least 18 points per game in 12 different seasons. There are only five other players to have accomplished this feat: Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Karl Malone, John Havlicek, Elvin Hayes, and Moses Malone (“Pacers: New Book Ranks Reggie Among NBA’s 50 Greatest”). Miller led the league in free-throw percentage in 1998-99 and 2000-01(“NBA.com: Reggie Miller Bio”). He has the 6th best percentage of All-time with a remarkable .889 percent. He has attempted 6,758 free-throws and hit 5,987 (“NBA.com”). Those numbers are the highest on that list.

    The main reason Reggie Miller should be included on the list is because of his playoff performances. Reggie is known for throwing a dagger into many players’ and fans’ hearts with late three-pointers. His playoff career point average is 21.2 points per game Miller has raised his scoring average from the season to the playoffs. He just recently passed Bill Russell for the 22nd spot on the Playoff’s All-time scoring list. (“NBA.com: Reggie Miller Bio”) Reggie Miller earned his nickname, “Mr. Clutch,” after repeated clutch performances. Mark Jackson, former point guard for the Indiana Pacers, said, “If I was red-hot and Reggie’s ice cold, I’d still rather have him take the shot.” (“Reggie Misc. Info”) When there are clips of greatest playoff moments, you will always find two or three with Reggie Miller on center stage. There are many examples of Reggie’s awesome ability to take over games in the final minutes, but consider the following two examples.

    In 1994, during the 5th game of the Eastern Conference Finals at New York, the Pacers were down 70-58 heading into the fourth quarter. Miller seized the stage at Madison Square Garden with his breathtaking display of long-range shooting in the fourth quarter. Making 5-of-5 three pointers, he scored 25 points in the fourth quarter to lead Indiana to a 93-86 win. (“Reggie Misc. Info”)

    In the 1995 Eastern Conference Semifinals, Reggie Miller delivered another astonishing playoff performance. In the final minutes of Game 1at New York, the Pacers found themselves trailing at 105-99. With twenty seconds remaining, Miller flew into a rage with a jaw-dropping scoring spell: he nailed a three-pointer, stole the following inbounds pass and immediately stepped back to bury another three. All of a sudden, the game was tied. After hitting two decisive foul shots with 7.5 seconds left, the Pacers claimed a miraculous 107-105 win. But even more impressive was the fact that Miller scored eight points in 8.9 seconds. (“Reggie Misc. Info”)

    Many of Reggie’s accomplishments become even greater as he continues to play throughout the 2004-05 season. At age 38, players don’t forget who Reggie Miller is. He is feared and respected for his abilities and his desire to do his best. He is always on the opponents’ defensive game report. Miller never dominated a season or era like most of the others on the list. But you must find a place for one of the greatest shooters in NBA history. This future Hall of Famer deserves to be in the Top 50 Greatest Players of All-Time List because of how he has impacted the game of basketball for generations present and the future.
    AKA Sactolover05
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  • #2
    Re: Something I totally forgot about...

    Good read. I hated writing my persuasive essays in school.

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    • #3
      Re: Something I totally forgot about...

      I knew just about all that stuff and I read it anyway. Very good, I'll give you an A+.

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      • #4
        Re: Something I totally forgot about...

        If Reggie wasn't one of the 50 greatest players in 1996, there's no way in hell he is now with the emergence of Duncan, Kobe, Garnett, and now Lebron and Wade

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        • #5
          Re: Something I totally forgot about...

          Originally posted by PacerFanAdam
          If Reggie wasn't one of the 50 greatest players in 1996, there's no way in hell he is now with the emergence of Duncan, Kobe, Garnett, and now Lebron and Wade

          Ah . . . give Lebron and Wade a few years before declaring them one of the 50 greatest. Two years doesn't do it for me.

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          • #6
            Re: Something I totally forgot about...

            It's amazing how a couple of years changes the perception of certain players. Does anyone still think Pippen belonged on that original list?
            Can we get a new color commentator please?

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            • #7
              Re: Something I totally forgot about...

              Originally posted by Reggie4Three
              It's amazing how a couple of years changes the perception of certain players. Does anyone still think Pippen belonged on that original list?

              Careful... I was getting darts for mentioning that very idea in another thread today...
              Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
              Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
              Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
              Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
              And life itself, rushing over me
              Life itself, the wind in black elms,
              Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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              • #8
                Re: Something I totally forgot about...

                Originally posted by Jay@Section204
                Careful... I was getting darts for mentioning that very idea in another thread today...

                I was responding to your questioning of Pip being All-NBA more than anything.

                Pip proved he was 1st team all-nba worthy when he led the Bulls in 1993-1994 and finished second in MVP voting.

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                • #9
                  Re: Something I totally forgot about...

                  What a great post!!


                  I think he is Definitly one of the 50 greatest players of all time....

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                  • #10
                    Re: Something I totally forgot about...

                    Originally posted by Will Galen
                    I knew just about all that stuff and I read it anyway. Very good, I'll give you an A+.

                    Thanks. I had a lot of fun writing this one. I wonder why...
                    AKA Sactolover05

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                    • #11
                      Re: Something I totally forgot about...

                      haha I wrote an Essay too about the impact of Reggie Miller in my life and his impact on the game and league, I bet there are alot of us on here that has dome something like that.

                      Good Paper!
                      Life without water is tough, life without air is hard,life with one leg only is wobbly, Life without Reggie Miller, is impossible.

                      Do Not Trade Austin

                      Originally posted by Conrad Brunner
                      Veteran Austin Croshere, the longest-tenured Pacers player on the roster, has proven reliable when called upon, invariably ready to step in regardless of the circumstance.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Something I totally forgot about...

                        Great essay.

                        I remember in Jr. High I had to write an essay on my 'heroes' for English.

                        Reggie, of course, was one of them. I did what was basically a word for word account of his 8 points in 8.9 seconds, as well as his shot in Game 4 of the 98 ECF.

                        As my username might suggest, one of my other heroes was Bill Cosby.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Something I totally forgot about...

                          Sacto, what is your sig from?

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                          • #14
                            Re: Something I totally forgot about...

                            Originally posted by cramerica
                            Sacto, what is your sig from?
                            Its from the Movie he has on his Avatar. I recommend everybody to see it! Its hilarious, "Team Americaaaaaa ***K YEAH!"

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                            • #15
                              Re: Something I totally forgot about...

                              Originally posted by cramerica
                              Sacto, what is your sig from?

                              3ptmiller is right. Team America: World Police is the movie. Make sure you watch the Unrated/Uncensored version. This movie is sooooo damn funny.
                              AKA Sactolover05

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