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    Well????



    Hmmmm the Poll didn't work.

    Tinsley????


    Foster????
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    Tinsley or Jones.

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    My vote would be for Artest. I know he was good last year, but was still a wait and see. this year he has proven himself as a legitimate all star and is playing under control. He has elevated every part of his game including most importantly the mental part.

    Foster is not that much improved i dont think. Now that doesnt mean i dont htink he is good, but i thought he was good last year, but he didnt get teh minutes and chances he has gotten this year with Brad gone. Really he is just doing what he always done...hustle, grab board and play tough. His shot really isnt any better and his point s come from pick and rolls and trash around the bucket.

    If i had to vote for a runner up, it would definitley be Tins. His shot is much better and more consistent. he dropped weight and is making smarter decisions with the basketball for the most part. He still needs work on defense, but overall has defintiely improved physically and mentally.

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    Artest. Because he's not allowing the non-basketball crap to overshadow his talent.
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    A whole lot of candidates.

    Freddie
    Tinsley
    Artest
    Foster
    J.O.
    Al, yes AL, may not be popular right now to include him, but overall, yes.


    I can't pick just one

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    A whole lot of candidates.

    I can't pick just one


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    For me it's 3 words

    Jeff Foster fouls. (or lack thereof) He isn't getting into nearly the trouble he has in the past. That is huge...we need him to be available the entire game.
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    A whole lot of candidates.

    I can't pick just one


    Waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle.


    For me it's 3 words

    Jeff Foster fouls. (or lack thereof) He isn't getting into nearly the trouble he has in the past. That is huge...we need him to be available the entire game.
    When's the last time you EVER saw Jeff Foster play the entire game, let alone over 30 mins??

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    OK, clearly Tinsley is MIP

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    ya Definately Tins, but really, everyone has improved their game on the whole team, quite a season to behold!

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    I'd have to pick Jeff Foster or Tinsley.

    Jeff's defense and just as important his offense have improved greatly. Just compare this year with his starting performances 2 seasons ago (prior to getting Brad Miller) and it's been an amazing transformation for Jeff. Working out with Tim Duncan in the offseason has helped him tremendously.

    What can't you say about Tinsley? He's improved in every area - turnovers, shooting, defense, leadership, poise....

    Those two positions worried me the most entering the season and with less than a quarter of the games left, I don't sweat it that much. That equals some huge improvement IMO!

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    I would have to pick either Tins or Jones.

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    Tinsley...he is clearly playing SMART. which is fantastic.

    As for next year's MIP, it WILL be Fred Jones. Mark it down.
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    A whole lot of candidates.

    I can't pick just one


    Waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle.


    For me it's 3 words

    Jeff Foster fouls. (or lack thereof) He isn't getting into nearly the trouble he has in the past. That is huge...we need him to be available the entire game.
    When's the last time you EVER saw Jeff Foster play the entire game, let alone over 30 mins??
    I din't say he needed to PLAY the entire game...he needs to be available to play the entire game.. TOo often n the past he took himself out of the game by getting 3 fouls in 3 minutes (etc).
    We need him to be available and he has done a good job controlling that.
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    Wow, no one mentioned Bender, that's surprising. He's shown more consistency this year, of course he was out for a most of the season.. my vote would have to go to Fred. Nice to have a slasher on the team.

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    Wow, no one mentioned Bender, that's surprising. He's shown more consistency this year, of course he was out for a most of the season.. my vote would have to go to Fred. Nice to have a slasher on the team.
    Took the words right outta my mouth!

    I think Bender has shown some serious, serious improvement.

    He's going to the basket now. He has learned how to pound the ball and not lose his dribble as often. I have yet to see him miss a jumper. He looks like something I have never seen in a basketball player before. He could play the SG, SF, PF, or C, depending on the needs of the coach. I think that if he doesn't shine the rest of this season, that he will be phenomenol (sp?) next year.

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    Bender has played only a few games...can't really consider him "improved" until he plays an entire season.
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    ...can't really consider him "improved" until he plays an entire season.
    Then you can't consider Tinsley, Artest, etc.......because none of them have played an 82 game season either.
    Ok then, MORE THAN HALF of the games in a season.
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    ...can't really consider him "improved" until he plays an entire season.
    Then you can't consider Tinsley, Artest, etc.......because none of them have played an 82 game season either.
    Ok then, MORE THAN HALF of the games in a season.
    This season is the only one where he hasn't played in at least half the games, whether it be from injury or DNP- Coach's Decision. Excluding his rookie season, of course, where injury wasn't the issue. I'm not saying playing in 46 games is impressive by any means, but it more than fits your criteria. Strike two.
    Umm.... I think we were talking about THIS YEAR... Bender's played, what, like 6 or 7 games? I think that was the main point.

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    i would have to pick foster. people keep wondering how we can be so good after losing all-star center miller, and foster's play has been key.

    not saying jeff is as good as brad, or is even a similar player, but he has been effective in his own way.

    tinsley runs a close second.

    i wouldn't put bender up there yet. putting up a few good games has been standard for him, we still don't see much consistent contribution.

    and i won't consider artest either. he's in the running for mvp (most valuable pacer)

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    For me it's 3 words

    Jeff Foster fouls. (or lack thereof) He isn't getting into nearly the trouble he has in the past. That is huge...we need him to be available the entire game.[/quote]

    You know what happen don't you? Jeff has finally "earned" the respect of the officials.

    I have not seen the team play much, so I would go with Artest not being the negative influence he was last year.

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    I'd vote for Tinsley just because he came so far in the last year. He was a really sub par start the last 1/2 of the season for varrious reasons to become a stable pg once he got his starting job back. This has been more important to the Pacers success.

    My 1B vote would be for Fred Jones. He has shown that he can play in the league and has a future. His improvement has been moving from a non-factor last year to being our backcourt's best bench player. So in speaking of personal improvement it has to be Jones taking the biggest leap.
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    I might give a 1B vote to JO...the maturity he's gained this year is phenominal. He also looks more to pass out of the doubleteams. SO his understanding of the game and how to make his teammates better has really been a pleasant suprise to me.

    To think how little experience he has makes me giddy when I think of him with 3-4 more years experience. (wow think of a Miller or Malone length career!)
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    Fred's got my vote w/ Tinsley and Artest right behind him. His confidence seems to be gaining and I love the way he can get a shot when he wants and his ability to get to the free throw line frequently. He just needs some more work on his jump shot and he'll be a fairly complete player.

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    ...can't really consider him "improved" until he plays an entire season.
    Then you can't consider Tinsley, Artest, etc.......because none of them have played an 82 game season either.
    Ok then, MORE THAN HALF of the games in a season.
    This season is the only one where he hasn't played in at least half the games, whether it be from injury or DNP- Coach's Decision. Excluding his rookie season, of course, where injury wasn't the issue. I'm not saying playing in 46 games is impressive by any means, but it more than fits your criteria. Strike two.
    Umm.... I think we were talking about THIS YEAR... Bender's played, what, like 6 or 7 games? I think that was the main point.
    Not based on every single post he's ever made about Bender.
    Actually, I was only referring to this year.

    But, even looking at last year, I just don't see the improvement consistantly. It isn;t that I am ever doubting his skills, its that his skills are rarely in use. He has always been termed "potential" and has never really fully utilized it, in my opinion.

    And so, since he hasn't played enough to show ME that he is better, I cannot say he has improved...if he is able to play at a level like he did the first few games he was back, and can do it every game, only then I will be impressed.
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    Tinsley gets my vote, followed closely by Freddie Jones with Bender in 3rd.

    Tinsley has shown he can deal with adversity (being benched to start the year) and learn from his experiences. Freddie has improved defensively the most but he also has realized he can get to the hoop and draw the foul just about anytime he wants. Bender has become more aggressive, especially offensively.

    Artest has improved mentally, but I think that is a product of someone drawing a line and showing he couldn't go over it. I think this was established in the 1st preseason game and Ron has responded well.

    Foster has done what he's always done, he's just stayed out of foul trouble so his minutes have increased.
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