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  • Re: The Pacers have never had that one player

    Originally posted by Kstat
    After watching the game of H-O-R-S-E MJ had with Bird.....I wouldn't want any part of Jordan in that game, even if I were Reggie.

    All over some fries too....just think if they were playing for a GRAND.....
    First time I heard this . Want to tell more? I'm interested.

    Regards,

    Mourning
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    • Re: The Pacers have never had that one player

      Originally posted by Mourning
      First time I heard this . Want to tell more? I'm interested.

      Regards,

      Mourning

      All I have to say it this:

      "Over the street, through the window, over the rafters, off the scoreboard, off the floor, nothing but net."

      Anybody who was a kid in 1993 would remember that one.

      It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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      • Re: The Pacers have never had that one player

        Originally posted by Mourning
        First time I heard this . Want to tell more? I'm interested.

        Regards,

        Mourning
        i think kstat is making an attempt at humor...if im not mistaking hes making reference to a mcdonalds commercial that aired many years ago....it was quite a great commercial...

        but in that commercial...mj is definitely made out to be superhuman...with bird not too far behind...

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        • Re: The Pacers have never had that one player

          Originally posted by Mourning
          First time I heard this . Want to tell more? I'm interested.

          Regards,

          Mourning
          Damn, that dates me!

          "...nothing but net. [*swish*]"

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          • Re: The Pacers have never had that one player

            Originally posted by Kstat
            All I have to say it this:

            "Over the street, through the window, over the rafters, off the scoreboard, off the floor, nothing but net."

            Anybody who was a kid in 1993 would remember that one.
            i think u forgot off the skyscraper...

            it really was a great commercial...nice recall

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            • Re: The Pacers have never had that one player

              Originally posted by foretaz
              i think u forgot off the skyscraper...

              it really was a great commercial...nice recall
              No, the skyscraper was the next shot.

              Easily one of the top 5 NBA-based commercials ever made. Every kid in America was eating McDonald's for about 4 months.

              It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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              • Re: The Pacers have never had that one player

                Originally posted by Kstat
                All I have to say it this:

                "Over the street, through the window, over the rafters, off the scoreboard, off the floor, nothing but net."

                Anybody who was a kid in 1993 would remember that one.
                Hated McDonald's, hated Jordan, hated Bird, but loved the commercial.

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                  Poor excuse, I know, never saw that commercial though



                  Regards,

                  Mourning
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                  • Re: The Pacers have never had that one player

                    Originally posted by Kstat
                    Easily one of the top 5 NBA-based commercials ever made. Every kid in America was eating McDonald's for about 4 months.
                    And I refuse to trade it for anything less than another top 5 NBA-based commercial in return, regardless of behavioral issues.

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                        SOURCE:
                        http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/...43/jordan.html


                        1) Jordan is a BALL HOG!
                        *Often an opposing forward , K.Malone, for example, has more assists than Jordan, a guard . [submitted by R. Voswinkel]
                        *Even if he's 1-18 from the field, he'll still take shots instead of passing the ball.
                        Even MJ fans admit he's a ballhog--so don't deny it!


                        2) MJ has a HUGE EGO and shows off!
                        *Against the Lakers in the Finals, Jordan switched hands during a layup UNNECESSARILY!
                        *He's taken foul shots with his eyes closed to rub it in to the other team that the Bulls were winning.
                        *Even though he's the greatest DOESN'T mean he can show off. Pippen, Walt Williams, Stockton for example, don't show off!
                        *Jordan is an athlete before an entertainer


                        3) Michael may score 50 points a game, but he probably went 25-60 from the field. Actually, the Bulls games are closer when Jordan scores 40+
                        *I know his role is to score...but he's gotta learn when he's having an OFF-GAME!




                        4) When interviewed & asked about his most memorable game winning shot, Jordan responded by stating that he must be "getting senile" cuz he "had so many" he can't remember it all. (very cocky!) [submitted by N.ZERNO]. If you've seen the interview, you'd agree.

                        5) Each game MJ wears a new pair of sneakers, & if he played a bad 1st half, he'll put on a brand new pair during halftime!
                        * How corny! It's not his shoes having a bad game!


                        6) Unless he's DOUBLE-TEAMED, he'll take the game into his own hands the last few seconds even if someone's open.
                        Yeah, I know about that pass to Kerr to win the game--WOW! One time MJ passed the ball & he wasn't double-teamed!




                        7) For such a great athlete, Jordan cries about being fouled---as if that's the only reason he could've actually missed.
                        *What sets him apart from others is the fact that MJ's the only one who can get in the face of a ref REPEATEDLY without getting a technical. Photo: crybaby MJ


                        8) He feels that he should get away with fouling. Proof: He always has a "Do u know who I am look?" when he's called for a foul. Allegedly, he actually said it to a ref.
                        *MJ's the best, but he's not to be excluded from the rules--great players should play by the rules, right?


                        9) Jordan's already rich from the NBA, yet he makes sure he has plenty of endorsements:
                        According to The Sports Marketing Letter, MJ earns an estimated $40 million just from ENDORSEMENTS----Nike, Rayovac, Gatorade, Ballpark, Hanes, Coach Leather products, Wheaties, his OWN Cologne, WorldCom telephone service, Upper Deck, Oakley sunglasses, Wilson signature basketballs, watches & equipments, Chicago Chevy dealers, & NBA Entertainment/CBS-Fox home videos...just to name the key contracts.
                        Jordan now has his own line of clothes! (he must be down to only a few million that he needs to keep finding ways to make profits)
                        *yeah, others have thier marketing deals, too--but nowhere as close! MJ, the person is selfish!




                        10) After the game when Iverson shot over Michael with a cross-over move, Jordan said Iverson should learn how to respect the older players. (MJ was just upset that Iverson was too quick for him) [submitted by N.Zerno] Animated gif: Iverson over jordan


                        11) MJ announced his "retirement" so his Dad would've seen his last game....(I wonder why he's playing now?)
                        *hey Jordan fans: you probably think it's ok he said & did that--but if someone else did that, you'd agree that's not so ok!


                        12) Jordan's number was retired. When he came back, he wore 45, but then went back to 23. Meaning: MJ's number is up in the United Center-- while he's an active player! It should be put up after he retires for good. [submitted by CrAzY KiD 42]




                        13) When MJ retired, he said he'd never wear #23 again in honor of his late Dad. Hmm...even after 23 was retired, was he showing respect when he was willing to be fined to wear it again?--just a question!)



                        14) Instead of waiting until after the season, Michael came back just in time for the playoffs!


                        15) Jordan has a charity under his own name & doesn't even donate to it!
                        [submitted by YoUnGSav]




                        16) After his "retirement," a statue was built in front of the United Center. Meaning: When Jordan came back, his statue still stands tall (inflating his ego more) & disrespecting the other current players of the Bulls.
                        (That isn't his fault, but it's still another reason)


                        17) When Michael retired, he immediately played for the AAA of the Minor League! For most, it takes years to get that far--& they can actually play! [submitted by N.Zerno]
                        *MJ's a great basketball player..why should he get special treatment in baseball!

                        18) Jordan returned to the NBA after failing at baseball. He can't stick with something that's too hard for him!




                        19) He has his very own HUGE restaurant in Chicago. Other celebrities work with others. (Planet Hollywood, Hard Rock Cafe, All Star Cafe & those who have their OWN, Larry Bird, Dan Marjerle...are not as close to being as big).


                        20) MJ refuses to play for Chicago unless Jackson's the coach & Pippen's on the team. What? Michael can't do it on his own? Or not just anybody is good enough for him?
                        *I know most players don't have loyalty to a team...but great players should! Great players should have loyalty to their TEAM (win or lose), not to certain people!
                        *When in cases like Barkly, it's understandable to go to another team, he wants a ring & he deserves it! MJ already has his rings--he really should be loyal to Chicago--not Scottie or Phil.


                        21) His sneakers just keep getting uglier & uglier but people will buy them cuz "it's Michael's".


                        22) A personal reason: I hate how he hangs his tongue out!


                        23) If MJ isn't greedy, WHY, even though he's a millionaire, does he need to make MORE profits after he retires with his own sports line!
                        *Why can't MJ just retire, maybe make his commercials, & not worry about making a billion more $$$? Cuz that's GREED!


                        24) Jordan has often demeaned his teammates, whom he called, "my supporting cast." [taken from a Chicago Tribune article 3/24/95--by Phil Hersh]
                        Despite the fact MJ's right, he's disrespecting his teammates by SAYING it!

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                        • Re: The Pacers have never had that one player

                          despite all that, Jordan is still great.

                          It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

                          Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
                          Conference Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 2005
                          NBA Champions 1989, 1990, 2004

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                          • Re: The Pacers have never had that one player

                            Originally posted by Kstat
                            despite all that, Jordan is still great.
                            Yea!!

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                              • Re: The Pacers have never had that one player

                                Originally posted by 3ptmiller
                                SOURCE:
                                http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/...43/jordan.html
                                1) Jordan is a BALL HOG!
                                *Often an opposing forward , K.Malone, for example, has more assists than Jordan, a guard . [submitted by R. Voswinkel]
                                *Even if he's 1-18 from the field, he'll still take shots instead of passing the ball.
                                Even MJ fans admit he's a ballhog--so don't deny it!


                                2) MJ has a HUGE EGO and shows off!
                                *Against the Lakers in the Finals, Jordan switched hands during a layup UNNECESSARILY!
                                *He's taken foul shots with his eyes closed to rub it in to the other team that the Bulls were winning.
                                *Even though he's the greatest DOESN'T mean he can show off. Pippen, Walt Williams, Stockton for example, don't show off!
                                *Jordan is an athlete before an entertainer


                                3) Michael may score 50 points a game, but he probably went 25-60 from the field. Actually, the Bulls games are closer when Jordan scores 40+
                                *I know his role is to score...but he's gotta learn when he's having an OFF-GAME!




                                4) When interviewed & asked about his most memorable game winning shot, Jordan responded by stating that he must be "getting senile" cuz he "had so many" he can't remember it all. (very cocky!) [submitted by N.ZERNO]. If you've seen the interview, you'd agree.

                                5) Each game MJ wears a new pair of sneakers, & if he played a bad 1st half, he'll put on a brand new pair during halftime!
                                * How corny! It's not his shoes having a bad game!


                                6) Unless he's DOUBLE-TEAMED, he'll take the game into his own hands the last few seconds even if someone's open.
                                Yeah, I know about that pass to Kerr to win the game--WOW! One time MJ passed the ball & he wasn't double-teamed!




                                7) For such a great athlete, Jordan cries about being fouled---as if that's the only reason he could've actually missed.
                                *What sets him apart from others is the fact that MJ's the only one who can get in the face of a ref REPEATEDLY without getting a technical. Photo: crybaby MJ


                                8) He feels that he should get away with fouling. Proof: He always has a "Do u know who I am look?" when he's called for a foul. Allegedly, he actually said it to a ref.
                                *MJ's the best, but he's not to be excluded from the rules--great players should play by the rules, right?


                                9) Jordan's already rich from the NBA, yet he makes sure he has plenty of endorsements:
                                According to The Sports Marketing Letter, MJ earns an estimated $40 million just from ENDORSEMENTS----Nike, Rayovac, Gatorade, Ballpark, Hanes, Coach Leather products, Wheaties, his OWN Cologne, WorldCom telephone service, Upper Deck, Oakley sunglasses, Wilson signature basketballs, watches & equipments, Chicago Chevy dealers, & NBA Entertainment/CBS-Fox home videos...just to name the key contracts.
                                Jordan now has his own line of clothes! (he must be down to only a few million that he needs to keep finding ways to make profits)
                                *yeah, others have thier marketing deals, too--but nowhere as close! MJ, the person is selfish!




                                10) After the game when Iverson shot over Michael with a cross-over move, Jordan said Iverson should learn how to respect the older players. (MJ was just upset that Iverson was too quick for him) [submitted by N.Zerno] Animated gif: Iverson over jordan


                                11) MJ announced his "retirement" so his Dad would've seen his last game....(I wonder why he's playing now?)
                                *hey Jordan fans: you probably think it's ok he said & did that--but if someone else did that, you'd agree that's not so ok!


                                12) Jordan's number was retired. When he came back, he wore 45, but then went back to 23. Meaning: MJ's number is up in the United Center-- while he's an active player! It should be put up after he retires for good. [submitted by CrAzY KiD 42]




                                13) When MJ retired, he said he'd never wear #23 again in honor of his late Dad. Hmm...even after 23 was retired, was he showing respect when he was willing to be fined to wear it again?--just a question!)



                                14) Instead of waiting until after the season, Michael came back just in time for the playoffs!


                                15) Jordan has a charity under his own name & doesn't even donate to it!
                                [submitted by YoUnGSav]




                                16) After his "retirement," a statue was built in front of the United Center. Meaning: When Jordan came back, his statue still stands tall (inflating his ego more) & disrespecting the other current players of the Bulls.
                                (That isn't his fault, but it's still another reason)


                                17) When Michael retired, he immediately played for the AAA of the Minor League! For most, it takes years to get that far--& they can actually play! [submitted by N.Zerno]
                                *MJ's a great basketball player..why should he get special treatment in baseball!

                                18) Jordan returned to the NBA after failing at baseball. He can't stick with something that's too hard for him!




                                19) He has his very own HUGE restaurant in Chicago. Other celebrities work with others. (Planet Hollywood, Hard Rock Cafe, All Star Cafe & those who have their OWN, Larry Bird, Dan Marjerle...are not as close to being as big).


                                20) MJ refuses to play for Chicago unless Jackson's the coach & Pippen's on the team. What? Michael can't do it on his own? Or not just anybody is good enough for him?
                                *I know most players don't have loyalty to a team...but great players should! Great players should have loyalty to their TEAM (win or lose), not to certain people!
                                *When in cases like Barkly, it's understandable to go to another team, he wants a ring & he deserves it! MJ already has his rings--he really should be loyal to Chicago--not Scottie or Phil.


                                21) His sneakers just keep getting uglier & uglier but people will buy them cuz "it's Michael's".


                                22) A personal reason: I hate how he hangs his tongue out!


                                23) If MJ isn't greedy, WHY, even though he's a millionaire, does he need to make MORE profits after he retires with his own sports line!
                                *Why can't MJ just retire, maybe make his commercials, & not worry about making a billion more $$$? Cuz that's GREED!


                                24) Jordan has often demeaned his teammates, whom he called, "my supporting cast." [taken from a Chicago Tribune article 3/24/95--by Phil Hersh]
                                Despite the fact MJ's right, he's disrespecting his teammates by SAYING it!

                                This is the same webpage that has been laughed at, ridiculed, and ignored by basketball fans since the beginning of it's existance in 1998. Congratulations on the find.

                                The author of that website is a complete and utter dumbass. Some quotables:

                                "Even MJ fans admit he's a ballhog--so don't deny it!"
                                Yep, he held a press conference... right? Oh, wait, this never happened. Damn.

                                "MJ has a HUGE EGO and shows off! *Against the Lakers in the Finals, Jordan switched hands during a layup UNNECESSARILY!"

                                According to Jordan and the assistance of video playback, Sam Perkins, the L.A Lakers starting Power Forward, was in the paint and Jordan's way as Jordan was flying in the air and trying to contort his body. Jordan thought Sam was going to attempt to block the shot, so his instinct kicked in. But you know, I'm sure he did it on purpose, you know, because it's not hard to pull off... or anything like that.

                                "Each game MJ wears a new pair of sneakers, & if he played a bad 1st half, he'll put on a brand new pair during halftime! How corny! It's not his shoes having a bad game!"

                                Are you kidding me?

                                "He has his very own HUGE restaurant in Chicago. Other celebrities work with others. (Planet Hollywood, Hard Rock Cafe, All Star Cafe & those who have their OWN, Larry Bird, Dan Marjerle...are not as close to being as big)."

                                Good point, sharing is caring.


                                Die, Jordan haters, die.

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