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  • Ok, discuss amongst yourselves....

    Whether or not this roster fits together.

    We have the talent, we have the coach's, but does it all fit together.

    You will all be in relative peace & quiet for the next few days because the Diamond one & myself are getting ready to get on a plane for D.C. for the weekend.

    We will return on Tuesday & I will give my wrap up of the overall team status then.

    But till then I want ideas on this thread about how you all feel that it fits together.


    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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    It's a dysfunctional family, or gives every appearance of such.

    All the parts are there but is seems more like a family with no real "father-figure" to keep everyone in line....kinda like the Osbourns.

    IM we need stronger leadership,leveler heads, and another big body to help keep us out of the Fatigue Zone.
    Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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      I'm not upset with it as is. We obviously have a lot of talent.

      I do agree though that we could have more chemistry problems next year than injuries this year. We seem to be at a crossroads of going forward and leading the best or falling on our faces due to lack of leadership and overabundance of knuckleheadedness. If the latter, expect quick and sharp changes from LB, and I'm not talking about leaving Croshere at the airport.
      Don't thank me, I'll kill ya.

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      • #4
        Re: Ok, discuss amongst yourselves....

        Originally posted by vapacersfan
        DC ehh..........enjoy the vacation
        D.C. is great! It's one of the most fantastic vacations spots there is. You could spend weeks in the Smithsonian. I mean, they've got a damn ROCKET hanging from the CEILING! It's great. Plus, it's really beautiful in spring.

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        • #5
          Re: Ok, discuss amongst yourselves....

          24 Jonathan Bender...Gone
          44 Austin Croshere...Gone
          32 Dale Davis...
          54 John Edwards...Gone
          10 Jeff Foster...
          4 Eddie Gill...
          13 David Harrison...
          1 Stephen Jackson...
          8 Anthony Johnson...
          20 Fred Jones...
          33 James Jones..
          7 Jermaine O'Neal...
          62 Scot Pollard...Gone
          11 Jamaal Tinsley...

          10 players already...So no matter who we pick up, they should not see significant playing time. Two role players; preferably a dead-eye shooter & a quick player who brings energy...Jermaine is the key; if he grows up, the team's possibilities are endless. That's what I expect next year. I'm not worried about anything, but I am anxious to see if Jermaine can do what he is meant to do, which is be the leader of the team. He needs to become the Duncan to our Spurs.

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          • #6
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            I hate to say this, but we really don't know if it fits together. We have not seen how Jax, J.O and Artest play together. We really don't know. But I'll say this if they do "fit together". Look out, the rest of the NBA better watch out because that can be as good a threesome as any team in the NBA.

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            • #7
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              You know what I think. No, it doesn't, but it has the potential to. The starters are good, but the backup rotations are messy.
              This space for rent.

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              • #8
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                I think that almost everybody on the team has the attitude of 'I have to go out there and help out for the sake of the team,' which is a really good atitude, but it needs to be 'We need to go in there and win this.'

                Basically we need more team ball, less one on one,Mr.Jackson, though I love him, seems quite partial to the one on one at times.
                Life without water is tough, life without air is hard,life with one leg only is wobbly, Life without Reggie Miller, is impossible.

                Do Not Trade Austin

                Originally posted by Conrad Brunner
                Veteran Austin Croshere, the longest-tenured Pacers player on the roster, has proven reliable when called upon, invariably ready to step in regardless of the circumstance.

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                • #9
                  Re: Ok, discuss amongst yourselves....

                  Originally posted by Anthem
                  You know what I think. No, it doesn't, but it has the potential to. The starters are good, but the backup rotations are messy.
                  I agree with that, IF Rick goes back to having 5 subs on the floor at the same time.

                  If he continues subbing the way he did for the last several games of the season, and continuing on throughout the playoffs, then I think we will be okay. As you recall, it became unusual to ever have a lineup on the floor that did not contain at least two starters.

                  If Rick continues this into next season, then I think that maximizes the continuity on both ends of the floor.

                  What I do like about this team is that we can put a starting 5 on the floor that may be better defensively than any other team in the league.

                  From an offensive perspective, we have the following:

                  1. Post - JO and Artest can both play in the paint. At 6-8, Jax will be able to take almost all point guards into the paint.

                  2. Double teams. Teams will still double on a healthy JO, and Artest's defender will require help as a balance against Artest's strength. Dale will continue to go to the rim and make teams pay for doubling Artest or O'Neal.

                  3. Slashing. Artest and Jax are both capable of driving to the rim.

                  4. Penetration. Tinsley, Artest and Jax are all capable penetrators.

                  5. Perimeter shooting. Artest was shooting extremely well prior to his suspension. Tinsley was hitting the 3 ball early in the year when healthy. Jax's perimeter shooting percentage should benefit from the extra time he should get as opponent's shift out of double-teaming Artest and JO.

                  6. Mid-range shooting. With Reggie gone, and the return of Artest, we may actually be worse in this department. Artest is great around the basket, and he was doing quite well from the perimeter in the first 7 games. But he really needs to expand on his mid-range game.

                  With the subs we have, namely Freddie and James, our perimeter shooting and ability to slash, and even our defense, will be okay, even as these members of the 2nd unit begin to take the floor.

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                    Originally posted by indystarreg
                    I think if you think it doesnt you shouldnt qualify your statement with an out. (but it has potential...)
                    Sorry, what? "It has the potential" would be "The bench isn't there right now, but with a few tweaks it could be." I don't think that's a cop-out.
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                      Originally posted by beast23
                      1. Post - JO and Artest can both play in the paint. At 6-8, Jax will be able to take almost all point guards into the paint.
                      Jermaine and Artest can take point guards in the paint as well. Although why they'd be guarded by point guards is beyond me.

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                        Re: Ok, discuss amongst yourselves....

                        Originally posted by Anthem
                        Jermaine and Artest can take point guards in the paint as well. Although why they'd be guarded by point guards is beyond me.

                        You got me. I absolutely must get new microfibre attached from my brain to my fingers. Make that SGs, not PGs. I've been up 'til about 3 each of the last two nights. Maybe I should just shut up and go to bed.

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                          Re: Ok, discuss amongst yourselves....

                          If this team is healthy were going to win 55-60 games. I know they're some teams who have talent like Chicago and Washington that are going to improve but we are young, we are deep and we have the best tandom in the East.

                          However with all that being said I don't know if we match up well with certain teams. Detroit and San Antonio are two teams where we may not be balanced enough to beat however. Again this is just a guess since none of us have any clue how good our projected starting lineup can be since they have never played together. In my opinion as good as we are inside with Artest, Oneal and Jackson ability to score in the post our perimeter game has alot to be desired and against the teams I just mentioned you need a consistant perimeter game to go along with that inside game. Michael Redd, Ray Allen are the type of guys I think we may need to get us over the hump past Detroit.

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                            Re: Ok, discuss amongst yourselves....

                            Starters:

                            Tinsley
                            Jax
                            Davis
                            JO
                            Ron

                            Scarey, very, very scarey. A team with a definite mean streak. Lead by the ring-master, street-ballin' Jamaal Tinsley, many things can happen that one may not expect. With the solid center in Davis to clean up the board, and bring tough in-your-face defense, that position is set. JO and Ron are both All-Stars, and together, the defense is amazing. Jax can spread the defense and knock down the open shot--or he can push the ball down the lane and score or dish.

                            The Bench

                            JJ
                            Freddie
                            Foster
                            Harrison
                            AJ

                            Freddie can penetrate and create, as well as shoot effeciently. JJ, when he finally gets comfortable is an amazingly smooth shooter and will strech the defense. Harrison is key--if he can produce off the bench, being a big body in the way, or cleaning up the glass, he will be VITAL. Speaking of cleaning up the glass, Foster has that pretty well under control, assuming he's still with us next year. AJ has improved and is a solid backup, but with the injuries we often suffer, it may be a good idea to find another back up for the back up.

                            The question, 'can they play well together?' We know the bench is not where the problems are, so, that's half the team. Artest, JO, and SJax are the ones at the center of speculation, but, who where the three who "rode together" at the Palace? The three who were all suspended because they faught for each other. If Tins can focus, we're set. The three in question, for some reason, seem like they really get along, even though they're all hot heads. And has Dale Davis ever caused a team problems?

                            60+ wins, and a championship.
                            It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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                              Re: Ok, discuss amongst yourselves....

                              Outside shooting probably will be a recurrent problem next year.

                              We can use a backup backup power forward who actually can play in the post.

                              James Jones will be hard to re-sign.

                              An old, aging reject from Portland and Golden State, two of the worst teams in the NBA last year, is our projected starting center.

                              Four of our best players are hotheads who are capable of crazy things.

                              Too many of our players are injury prone.

                              Our team payroll is out of control.

                              I love this team! 60 wins again, but this time we get into the finals! Change nothing!

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