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  • #16
    Re: If not Tinsley, then who?

    I haven't seen anyone on this thread advocating trading Tins.

    i am advocating that management do what will win the championship. I'd be happy if Tins was here next season and happier still if he was healthy in the playoffs.
    "They could turn out to be only innocent mathematicians, I suppose," muttered Woevre's section officer, de Decker.

    "'Only.'" Woevre was amused. "Someday you'll explain to me how that's possible. Seeing that, on the face of it, all mathematics leads, doesn't it, sooner or later, to some kind of human suffering."

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    • #17
      Re: If not Tinsley, then who?

      I'm for trading him.

      Arroyo would be interesting. But defense is a problem.

      The Ray Allen scenario is tempting. Again, defense. But I'd be willing to consider it.

      Really, I'm rather happy with Jax, so I don't necessarily think we need another shooting guard to do the scenario of a less-athletic point guard with a better shot and better self control.

      Is Eric Snow too old? I like him.

      Eisley?

      Terry Porter has possibilities.

      How bout that Howard kid in Dallas. I REALLY like him.

      I'd take a risk with Marbury. He's definitely stretch the defense. (Ours too

      How bout Chucky Atkins. Maybe that's what the Lakers rumor is about.

      Then there's Gary Payton. Same problem with oustide shooting, but a good head. I think he's a free agent.
      "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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      • #18
        Re: If not Tinsley, then who?

        Eric Snow,Chucky Atkins and Howard Eisley? You would really like any of these 3 starting at PG for us? LMAO

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        • #19
          Re: If not Tinsley, then who?

          Originally posted by McKeyFan

          Terry Porter has possibilities.

          Then there's Gary Payton. Same problem with oustide shooting, but a good head. I think he's a free agent.
          Terry Porter has possibilities? I might have looked over your reply quickly, but what do you mean?

          And in terms of Gary Payton, I would only want him if he would come in with a minimum contract. He made every opposing point guard look even better than they already were in 2004, and his only contribution to the Boston/Pacers series this year was how he defended Reggie.

          Let's not go crazy here. If a good trade comes around, then let's take it-- but I don't think we should try to heavily move most of our guys, unless some team wants to take Croshere and Bender off our hands.

          Our only worries should be the stability of Artest and team leadership. It will be difficulty to obtain instant leadership through trades, and I have no idea what I would do with Artest. I love his game and I love his will to win, but this is one of the main instances where I don't have the ability to think objectively.

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          • #20
            Re: If not Tinsley, then who?

            How about Earl Watson. I'll say it right now I'd rather have Earl Watson instead of Tinsley.

            If the Pacers do make a trade I think it will be with the Grizzlies

            Griz set to work quickly
            As lockout looms, team talking trades

            By Ronald Tillery
            Contact
            May 26, 2005

            The possibility of an NBA work stoppage has the Grizzlies locked and loaded.

            Team president Jerry West revealed Wednesday that the threat of a lockout could speed up the process of pulling the trigger on potential trades. The Griz, like most teams uncertain of what the summer will hold, would look to wheel and deal during the draft and the days following.




            NBA owners are expected to lock out players July 1 if a new collective bargaining agreement isn't signed by then. The CBA between the league and its players expires June 30.

            West called recent talk about a lockout "rhetoric," and expressed his belief that no games would be missed in the fall. But a work stoppage following the draft could disrupt the summer -- meaning the ability to make trades, sign free agents and essentially conduct offseason business may stall at a time when teams typically remake rosters.

            "I'll believe it when I see it," West said of a possible work stoppage. "The less said about it, the better. But we feel that it's important for us, if a trade is to be made, to get that done before a lockout."

            The Grizzlies have already discussed potential deals with teams. West wouldn't offer specifics but it is believed that guard Bonzi Wells has been a prominent figure in those trade talks.

            "We've been talking to some teams," West said. "The (draft) lottery will have an awful lot to do with what some of the other teams will do.

            "Teams will look at their position. They may get a duplicate player and be willing to talk about something (in a trade)."

            Wells's departure is a sure bet. That the Griz will pass on his $8 million contract option for the 2005-06 campaign apparently isn't. The Griz may be inclined to pick up the option as one of many strictly business decisions the team will make.

            The Griz have until July 1 to honor Wells's contract option or allow him to become an unrestricted free agent.

            Although Wells struggled with injuries and performance, and had a public falling out with head coach Mike Fratello the veteran still has value. There are at least three teams willing to trade for Wells at $8 million.

            Otherwise, the Griz would seek a sign-and-trade deal involving Wells and a long-term contract.

            "We're examining everything," West said. "Everyone assumes we're not going to (pick up the option) but that's not the case at this point and time. We're contemplating what we need to do to try to improve our team.

            "He's one of my favorite people on this team. He didn't have the kind of year he wanted last year and I know he got frustrated. But that's part of what makes professional athletes professional athletes."

            Forward Stromile Swift and guard Earl Watson are also unrestricted free agents. Their futures with the Grizzlies aren't as clear, according to West. A sign-and-trade with those players is as possible as their return.

            West, though, is working the phones. He's identified a nucleus and is looking to build around those players, who include Pau Gasol and Mike Miller.

            "I've met with Mike (Fratello) about three different times about what we want," West said. "We have to be focused here, and he has expressed to me his needs. All of us feel we're on the same page.

            "We're going to address some things during the draft and particularly if there's a chance for us to do something through a trade."

            Draft workouts

            The Griz conducted their second day of draft workouts with a combination of guards and forwards. Team executives and the coaching staff watched Kelenna Azubuike (6-5 junior guard from Kentucky), Julius Hodge (6-6 senior swingman from North Carolina State), Willie Jenkins (6-6 senior forward from Tennessee Tech) and Matt Walsh (6-7 junior forward from Florida).

            "They're all guards," said Tony Barone Sr., the Grizzlies' director of player personnel. "Julius has got the ability to be a (point) guard, and at his size that's impressive. Matt and Willie and (Kelenna) are all (shooting guards) usually with maybe some (small forward) in them."

            -- Ronald Tillery: 529-2353

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            • #21
              Re: If not Tinsley, then who?

              Originally posted by BustedPants
              Terry Porter has possibilities? I might have looked over your reply quickly, but what do you mean?
              My bad. I meant Jason Terry.

              I would, however, trade Bender for Terry Porter.
              "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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              • #22
                Re: If not Tinsley, then who?

                Why don't we just get Heywood Workman to unretire and replace Tinsley.

                Earl Watson, Carlis Arroyo, Eric Snow, Chucky Atkins. You guys have got to be freaking kidding. None of those guys are as good as Tinsley.

                Yes he has been hurt the past 2 seasons, 2 seasons does not make a it a pattern IMO.

                Most of the "trade Tinsley camp" are solely judging him on how he played against Detroit, forgetting he played very well against them in the regular season when he was healthy. People are totally dismissing that he was the best player we had for much of this season. We would have not even been in the second round if he hadn't came back for the Boston series.

                He is also a base year compensation player, MEANS HE AIN"T GOING ANYWHERE.
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                • #23
                  Re: If not Tinsley, then who?

                  Originally posted by Hoop
                  Yes he has been hurt the past 2 seasons, 2 seasons does not make a it a pattern IMO.
                  It's more than 2 seasons.

                  2005 (Celts/Pistons) - hurt
                  2004 (Celts/Heat/Pistons) - hurt
                  2003 (Celts) - not hurt
                  2002 (Nets) - hurt

                  3 seasons out of 4... that's a pattern.

                  But I still like Tinsley and hope we keep him. Even hurt, he was better than any of the guys named in this thread.
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                  • #24
                    Re: If not Tinsley, then who?

                    I agree that he's better. I just don't think he always keeps his head, an important quality in a floor leader, and I don't think he's a clutch shooter (he may be a clutch player, but not a shooter.) You can improve the floor leader thing. But I seriously doubt he can change the fact that he can't shoot all that reliably.

                    My belief is that if we were to pick up a GOOD point guard--although not as good as Tinsley--who can shoot well and stretch the defense and come up with big shots in the crunch time during the playoffs, then it makes the Pacers better. (Kind of an AJ with handles.) Tinsley may be the better point guard, but not the best point guard for making the Pacers a better team.
                    "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                    • #25
                      Re: If not Tinsley, then who?

                      Originally posted by McKeyFan
                      My belief is that if we were to pick up a GOOD point guard--although not as good as Tinsley--who can shoot well and stretch the defense and come up with big shots in the crunch time during the playoffs
                      Where do you suppose we find this mythical PG that we could trade for?

                      The grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence.
                      "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG" - Carol "The Walking Dead"

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                      • #26
                        Re: If not Tinsley, then who?

                        Originally posted by Hoop
                        Where do you suppose we find this mythical PG that we could trade for?

                        The grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence.
                        In the draft, of course! For the full effect, this must be said without checking to see who might be available in the draft.

                        Tins was shooting very well before his injury. People are judging his shot based on the playoffs, when he was shooting flat-footed. That's not fair.

                        My only concern with Jamaal is his durability.
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                        • #27
                          Re: If not Tinsley, then who?

                          Originally posted by Anthem
                          It's more than 2 seasons.

                          2005 (Celts/Pistons) - hurt
                          2004 (Celts/Heat/Pistons) - hurt
                          2003 (Celts) - not hurt
                          2002 (Sixers) - hurt
                          2001 (Nets) - hurt

                          4 seasons out of 5... that's a pattern.

                          But I still like Tinsley and hope we keep him. Even hurt, he was better than any of the guys named in this thread.
                          I'm in the "he gets hurt a lot" crowd, but let's get the facts straight:

                          2003-2005 correct
                          2002 (Nets) - yes hurt
                          2001 (Sixers) - College

                          Picky? Yeah. I entered into full "die-hard" mode around 2000 (technically a couple years before, but it picked up steam Isiah's first year), so I have these things burned into my brain.

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                          • #28
                            Re: If not Tinsley, then who?

                            Originally posted by Hicks
                            I'm in the "he gets hurt a lot" crowd, but let's get the facts straight:

                            2003-2005 correct
                            2002 (Nets) - yes hurt
                            2001 (Sixers) - College

                            Picky? Yeah. I entered into full "die-hard" mode around 2000 (technically a couple years before, but it picked up steam Isiah's first year), so I have these things burned into my brain.
                            I have no idea what you're talking about.
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                            • #29
                              Re: If not Tinsley, then who?

                              My sarcasm detector doesn't work past 9PM.

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                              • #30
                                Re: If not Tinsley, then who?

                                Why don't we just get Heywood Workman to unretire and replace Tinsley.
                                For that matter, how about John Stockton?

                                Tins is great. We need better depth at the position. AJ is decent, and I think he's improved with the extended playing time he had this year. Jamaal is impatient and he pushes his return days (from injury), and then, while playing hurt, he re-hurts it, and is out more. If we get some sort of decent depth, to help split up the minutes, we'll be just fine. Tins plays a lot of minutes, and he plays hard, he needs some one to help him out.

                                Think we can trade Bender and Pollard for GINOBLI!?
                                It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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