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    Default POLL - What do you want to do with PG13?

    Now that we know that PG13 isn't going to get the Super Max....what do you do going into the Summer?

    Option 1 ) Go "All In"

    - Make any trade necessary to put together the best roster that you can. Trade away 1st round picks, trade Myles, make as many "I take the Players you don't want for the Players that I don't want", etc....basically do whatever you want....just to surround PG13 with as much talent as possible to make one last ditch run to convince PG13 to stay AND THEN that he doesn't bolt in the Summer of 2018.

    Option 2 ) Trade PG13 and go into "Re-tooling" mode

    - Trade PG13 for quality Assets that can help you win now...not necessarily young Players. I don't know what Players that we can get....but the idea is to make a trade to build a talented roster that can compete and try to make a Playoff run with the existing talent that we have.

    Option 3 ) Trade PG13 and go into complete "Re-building" mode

    - Trade PG13 while getting back a complete re-build package of young Players and a 1st round pick, letting Teague go,trade Thad, Monta and AlJeff and simply building around a REALLY young roster alongside Myles. Think a really young Sixers roster that is built to develop over the long term.

    IMHO...I'm going with Option 2.....Trade PG13 and Re-tool around a Re-signed Teague, Myles, Lance, Thad, Pacers 1st and whatever quality veteran assets that we can get for PG13 while building Team chemistry over the next 2 years. We'd be looking at another 3 year plan.....but the intention is to build a solid core and prepare for the decline of Lebron by 2019 and beyond.
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    Option 2 is probably the worst. Not good enough to win anything and not bad enough to potentially win the lottery.

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    Now that we know that PG13 isn't going to get the Super Max....what do you do going into the Summer?

    Option 1 ) Go "All In"

    - Make any trade necessary to put together the best roster that you can. Trade away 1st round picks, trade Myles, make as many "I take the Players you don't want for the Players that I don't want", etc....basically do whatever you want....just to surround PG13 with as much talent as possible to make one last ditch run to convince PG13 to stay AND THEN that he doesn't bolt in the Summer of 2018.

    Option 2 ) Trade PG13 and go into "Re-tooling" mode

    - Trade PG13 for quality Assets that can help you win now...not necessarily young Players. I don't know what Players that we can get....but the idea is to make a trade to build a talented roster that can compete and try to make a Playoff run with the existing talent that we have.

    Option 3 ) Trade PG13 and go into complete "Re-building" mode

    - Trade PG13 while getting back a complete re-build package of young Players and a 1st round pick, letting Teague go,trade Thad, Monta and AlJeff and simply building around a REALLY young roster alongside Myles. Think a really young Sixers roster that is built to develop over the long term.

    IMHO...I'm going with Option 2.....Trade PG13 and Re-tool around a Re-signed Teague, Myles, Lance, Thad, Pacers 1st and whatever quality veteran assets that we can get for PG13 while building Team chemistry over the next 2 years. We'd be looking at another 3 year plan.....but the intention is to build a solid core and prepare for the decline of Lebron by 2019 and beyond.
    He can still get the DPE, just not this summer.

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    I've lived through the 20 win seasons and I'm not talking one or two season, I'm talking 4 and even then getting out of the 20's only meant another 8 years of just being mediocre with one of those years another dip down into the 20's. People its a lot harder than you think it is. We had several lottery picks including 3 # 2 picks and we still could not pull out of it. Losing begets losing mostly.

    That being said I understand sometimes you just have to and you have no choice. But IMO we still have a choice. Unless Paul is lying and is already wearing gold and purple undies then he said he would stay if we were a contender. I know it would be a damn near hail marry to do it but anybody not named Paul George would be on the block and that includes Myles Turner which I believe you could get quit a haul for. I'd do anything to bring in anyone who could help us win right now which would include Dwight Howard if he could be had for the right price.

    We've never had a player of Paul's skill set. I would move heaven and earth to keep him. But only if he would really be willing to be here.


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    Unless Paul is lying
    he's lying

    and people gotta get over PG walking like we're losing Lebron or something. DUDE COULDN'T MAKE AN ALL NBA TEAM AND WE'D BE GIVING HIM THE BIGGEST CONTRACT IN LEAGUE HISTORY.

    You guys gotta get a grip, we got mother****ers talking about the franchise moving because Paul George doesn't wanna play here anymore. A 4th team All NBAer isn't irreplaceable.
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    I think "rebuild" is the right answer but mostly because I don't think "all in" is actually possible, at least in any way that matters. "Re-tool" is the absolute worst case scenario imaginable. I'd rather be awful than stay on the treadmill.

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    he's lying

    and people gotta get over PG walking like we're losing Lebron or something. DUDE COULDN'T MAKE AN ALL NBA TEAM AND WE'D BE GIVING HIM THE BIGGEST CONTRACT IN LEAGUE HISTORY.

    You guys gotta get a grip, we got mother****ers talking about the franchise moving because Paul George doesn't wanna play here anymore. A 4th team All NBAer isn't irreplaceable.

    Uh huh....



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    and people gotta get over PG walking like we're losing Lebron or something. DUDE COULDN'T MAKE AN ALL NBA TEAM AND WE'D BE GIVING HIM THE BIGGEST CONTRACT IN LEAGUE HISTORY.
    this. he is not even close to deserving that kind of money.

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    Tired of these discussions and people telling me I'm stupid, really tired.
    In My Opinion (told you before i'm not humble) it is not me who is stupid, thick or hard of hearing, but those who are shouting from the roof tops to get rid of Paul George, call him "not that good" and now 4th team all NBA (which means he is top 8 all NBA per his position) are just that.
    You can have the opinion and even state that IF you were a director of basketball YOU would, it remains just that; an opinion, and you repeating it ad nauseum in every thread or post may get you more "followers" it does not make it true, in fact the harder you shout the less impression you make, and well I won't opinionate about your followers.

    It is very simple something we wil have to wait and see what happens, NONE of US know what Paul is thinking, none of you were with him last night and he confided in NONE on this board.
    I really don't give a toss about 2nd/3rd/4th/5th or even 20th hand "truths", they are nothing but hearsay and thus useless "other" opinions.

    I have no opinoin, but facts are IF he gets an all NBA top 3 teams next year, he qualifies as long as he is with the Pacers, so the incentive does not dissapear, fact; He left a fair chunk of money on the table in his current contract by not demanding the top, but leaving room to improve the team (Q: what good did that do him?) fact: he keeps saying he loves Indy, so why does what magic, Kimmel or any other idiot says more true than what Paul says?
    fact; if he played like he played end of season/playoffs for a larger part of the season (instead of taking a backseat role to let the team grow) he would probably be 2nd team all NBA, an argument for 1st could perhaps be made.
    Fact; draft picks are more often than not a complete or partial bust, what makes PG special is that he isn't. trading him for any draftpick is a risk (there are no such things as sure picks) and that risk is HUGE if you compared tpo what we have.

    Please keep filling all threads shouting he needs to be traded, but remember you aren't exactly convincing me or anyone else that uses his cognitive capacities to a reasonable level.
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    he's lying DUDE COULDN'T MAKE AN ALL NBA TEAM AND WE'D BE GIVING HIM THE BIGGEST CONTRACT IN LEAGUE HISTORY.
    JEEPERS! He's already made all nba teams!

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    Tired of these discussions and people telling me I'm stupid, really tired.
    In My Opinion (told you before i'm not humble) it is not me who is stupid, thick or hard of hearing, but those who are shouting from the roof tops to get rid of Paul George, call him "not that good" and now 4th team all NBA (which means he is top 8 all NBA per his position) are just that.
    You can have the opinion and even state that IF you were a director of basketball YOU would, it remains just that; an opinion, and you repeating it ad nauseum in every thread or post may get you more "followers" it does not make it true, in fact the harder you shout the less impression you make, and well I won't opinionate about your followers.

    It is very simple something we wil have to wait and see what happens, NONE of US know what Paul is thinking, none of you were with him last night and he confided in NONE on this board.
    I really don't give a toss about 2nd/3rd/4th/5th or even 20th hand "truths", they are nothing but hearsay and thus useless "other" opinions.

    I have no opinoin, but facts are IF he gets an all NBA top 3 teams next year, he qualifies as long as he is with the Pacers, so the incentive does not dissapear, fact; He left a fair chunk of money on the table in his current contract by not demanding the top, but leaving room to improve the team (Q: what good did that do him?) fact: he keeps saying he loves Indy, so why does what magic, Kimmel or any other idiot says more true than what Paul says?
    fact; if he played like he played end of season/playoffs for a larger part of the season (instead of taking a backseat role to let the team grow) he would probably be 2nd team all NBA, an argument for 1st could perhaps be made.
    Fact; draft picks are more often than not a complete or partial bust, what makes PG special is that he isn't. trading him for any draftpick is a risk (there are no such things as sure picks) and that risk is HUGE if you compared tpo what we have.

    Please keep filling all threads shouting he needs to be traded, but remember you aren't exactly convincing me or anyone else that uses his cognitive capacities to a reasonable level.
    You do realize that people want to trade Paul George simply out of fear we're going to likely lose him for nothing, right? I think it is completely rational to want to get something back because what exactly will we have to look forward too if all we have is Myles Turner in the cupboard when he leaves? I don't want to be OKC and lose our Kevin Durant (well the most comparable thing we've had to a Durant). They at least had Russell Westbrook to fall back on, we do not. You cannot in your right mind tell me that you would rather lose him for nothing. That mentality sets the team back even further when he does leave. He has had every opportunity to shut down the talk of him leaving, but really just keeps fueling the fire. I don't want to keep cheering for a guy that doesn't want to be here, and appears to be letting the franchise run around with its head cut off. I don't think he's being honest with management, and is giving them false hope. That's absolutely terrible, and it's going to destroy this franchise if someone doesn't see through it and take action. It's time to trade him, whether you can see that or now, it's the right decision.

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    The unknown here is PG himself. If he is leaving no matter what then the Pacers have no choice. If it is up in the air then you go all in. If TPTB cannot discern what PG might do then you go all in. PG is entering the best years of his career for the next 5 years and is getting better. WHEN did the Pacers have a player like that??
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    Wait it out. This is all on Pritchard now. Oh he can land Hayward or another top FA to play with Paul then that could turn out well. If we a first round exit next year, bye paul. Look at all the franchises that supposedly were trying to trade for him at the deadline, they haven't had superstars in a long time and I don't wanna go back to that way either

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    I've been a member of the Trade PG bandwagon for several months now. If PG & his agent have killed the trade market then I've officially jumped off. I would rather keep him for next season & risk losing him (highly) than trade him for a couple 4th rounders. Try & get better this offseason & next year dodge CLE in round 1.

    Anybody that wants to trade PG now is about 4 months late to the party. That train left the station on February 23, 2017.

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    At this point I would do most anything to hang onto him...as long as he might possibly stay. He is the best NBA Pacer of all time and one of the top 10 players in the league. We have no leverage in trade. This is how free agency operates in the NBA.
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    You do realize that people want to trade Paul George simply out of fear we're going to likely lose him for nothing, right? I think it is completely rational to want to get something back because what exactly will we have to look forward too if all we have is Myles Turner in the cupboard when he leaves? I don't want to be OKC and lose our Kevin Durant (well the most comparable thing we've had to a Durant). They at least had Russell Westbrook to fall back on, we do not. You cannot in your right mind tell me that you would rather lose him for nothing. That mentality sets the team back even further when he does leave. He has had every opportunity to shut down the talk of him leaving, but really just keeps fueling the fire. I don't want to keep cheering for a guy that doesn't want to be here, and appears to be letting the franchise run around with its head cut off. I don't think he's being honest with management, and is giving them false hope. That's absolutely terrible, and it's going to destroy this franchise if someone doesn't see through it and take action. It's time to trade him, whether you can see that or now, it's the right decision.
    I'm not terrified of losing PG. Teams lose players and they recover. Yeah, it's a process, but teams recover. I really like Myles Turner and think he's got a high ceiling, so I'd be fine going young and building around him if we go that way.

    The part I bolded is the most important thing to me. He's not even Durant. Durant and Westbrook couldn't get it done together, so what will we need to pair with PG to get there? Is it possible? I think he's a great player, and my preference is to keep him and build a team with other stars like Hayward or Butler or Lowry or Griffin. But's going to take PG+two other stars+Myles becoming an All Star, and who knows if the front office will ever go to that extent??

    If we can make a deal that returns a lottery pick and young potential guys, I think we've got just as good a chance to compete with that moving forward as we do with PG, because I doubt the validity of these plans that require signing two more All Stars. It's not an easy call to make, and Pritch is 100% damned if you do, damned if you don't this offseason. But, to me, the value of PG to teams like Boston, LAL, LAC, Denver, Miami, Portland, etc, is higher than his value here because at the end of the day, I don't fully believe in him as the leader of a championship franchise without getting significant help.

    I'll be happy if he signs an extension and we get to keep one of the top players in the league and try to build around him. I'll be happy if we trade him for a decent package. I'll be less happy if he walks for nothing, but that'll allow us to go fire sale and start over clean, and Pritch can handle that. I'll be unhappy if he stays and trot out the mediocre roster and effort we had in 16-17 again for the duration of PG's time here, because I don't care if you consider him top 15, top 10, All NBA, or just All Star, PG himself isn't enough to ever get past LeBron or San Antonio or Golden State. I think the smart money is to get the best package you can out of him, even if it's less inspiring than the dreams of chasing multiple All Stars to team up with him.
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    he's lying

    and people gotta get over PG walking like we're losing Lebron or something. DUDE COULDN'T MAKE AN ALL NBA TEAM AND WE'D BE GIVING HIM THE BIGGEST CONTRACT IN LEAGUE HISTORY.

    You guys gotta get a grip, we got mother****ers talking about the franchise moving because Paul George doesn't wanna play here anymore. A 4th team All NBAer isn't irreplaceable.
    But we know he could've easily made it. Don't know what he was doing for most of the season. And fuxk that, he should've still made it over Green. I want to PG to stay. But he wants out and it's obvious

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    It's really going to suck not seeing PG with the Pacers. His game is so smooth

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    Call it defeatist or pessimistic but my biggest fear at this point is that, in a last desperate attempt to keep paul, we surround him with a bunch of has beens and never was's on contracts that will hurt long after paul has stopped helping.

    Best case scenario for mine is that he stays. Worst case is described above (and he leaves). The middle ground, whilst unattractive, is in some way starting to build a team with Myles Turner in mind as a part of it and starting that process now.

    Able's concern appears to be that some people are delighted at that prospect. Let me be clear - I am not.
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    Both infamous dates in Pacers history. What is worse, the brawl or Feb. 23, 2017?

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    I'm not sure you can build a franchise around Myles Turner. The difference between OKC / KD & here is that OKC had Russell Westbrook still. We don't have another All-Star. Had we drafted Devin Booker we'd be just fine.

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    I've lived through the 20 win seasons and I'm not talking one or two season, I'm talking 4 and even then getting out of the 20's only meant another 8 years of just being mediocre with one of those years another dip down into the 20's. People its a lot harder than you think it is. We had several lottery picks including 3 # 2 picks and we still could not pull out of it. Losing begets losing mostly.

    That being said I understand sometimes you just have to and you have no choice. But IMO we still have a choice. Unless Paul is lying and is already wearing gold and purple undies then he said he would stay if we were a contender. I know it would be a damn near hail marry to do it but anybody not named Paul George would be on the block and that includes Myles Turner which I believe you could get quit a haul for. I'd do anything to bring in anyone who could help us win right now which would include Dwight Howard if he could be had for the right price.

    We've never had a player of Paul's skill set. I would move heaven and earth to keep him. But only if he would really be willing to be here.
    The best post all year on the PG topic.

    I suggested yesterday if PG does give Pritchard 1 year to turn the team into a contender, I would expect Pritch will be making some crazy and risky trades. What does he have to lose, except PG which most of you think is gone anyway.

    If I am Pritchard, unless PG says there is absolutely zero % chance he will re-sign and that he doesn't want to play for the pacers ever again, I keep PG and call his bluff.

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    he's lying

    and people gotta get over PG walking like we're losing Lebron or something. DUDE COULDN'T MAKE AN ALL NBA TEAM AND WE'D BE GIVING HIM THE BIGGEST CONTRACT IN LEAGUE HISTORY.

    You guys gotta get a grip, we got mother****ers talking about the franchise moving because Paul George doesn't wanna play here anymore. A 4th team All NBAer isn't irreplaceable.

    Assuming PG is gone a year from now one way or another. I predict it will take 10 years to obtain a player as good as PG. So maybe PG is not irreplaceable, but I believe it will take 10 years for the pacers get a player as good.

    (Probably longer)

    Call me crazy, old and senile if you wish, but I put the odds that PG is still in a Pacers uniform fall 2018 at 60%
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    I think people are starting to panic about trading PG.

    If we trade PG to Boston on draft night, Boston goes into Free Agency with IT, PG and Gordon Hayward's college coach and friend. Hayward would most likely sign with Boston. With IT, PG and Hayward, Boston would make the Finals and if they keep those 3 together, they will make the Finals for the next 5 years or so.

    If we trade PG to ANY team on draft night, the Pacers will lose what small chance they have of signing a start or near star Free Agent. I know the chances are slim, but without PG the chances become zero.

    If we keep PG, maybe we can bring in a star or near star to play along side of him. In my opinion, a near star will get us to the ECF, a star would give us a good chance at making the Finals. If we do that, we increase the chances of PG staying. Even if he walks, we still have the star/near star player and an improving Myles Turner. We should still be a pretty good team.

    If we keep PG and can not bring in a star or near star player, we should know by early or mid July that is isn't going to happen. That would be the time to look into trading PG. His value should be pretty much the same as whoever gets him would have him for 1 full season. The main difference would be that instead of trading him for a draft pick, we would be trading him for an actual player. For example, instead of Boston sending us Smart, Crowder and the 2017 first round pick we would get Smart, Crowder and Fultz.

    I voted for other, because I think we should hang on to PG and see what happens. If things fall through, look at trading him in July.
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