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    I still think if you trade him to Boston he would resign. He wants to win. He said he'd resign in Indiana so why wouldn't he resign in Boston? LA is just saying this to scare other teams.
    If he was strongly in favor of that all he has to do is let his agent spread the word that this isn't true.

    This isn't some major mystery. Either George denies it or he doesn't. Denying it costs him nothing.

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    The thing that just has never made sense to me is this rumor that he's made it clear in the locker room for a long time that he wants to play for LA.

    How on earth does that compute? How are you going to inspire your teammates to go all in for the team when you yourself are making it well-known that you want no future for that team? How do you inspire any faith from management about your future here when you "make it clear" you want to go to LA?

    It doesn't strike me as something PG would say, nor does it make any sort of strategical business sense on his part. That's why it's hard for me to buy. There's just nothing to gain by "outing" your feelings like that.

    The other factor I always hear, even from PG's mouth, is that all he wants to do is win. LA has been a wreck for awhile now. Lots of young talent, but also not much experience. They *could* be good 2-3 years down the road, but contender-good? Hard to see it, as it currently stands. And by then, all those young guys will be getting out of their rookie contracts and that salary cap will be jammed if you include PG's salary.

    There's just a lot of rumors that don't jive with each other. It's why it's hard for me to believe. Now, unless some bombshell is revealed with PG coming right out and saying it, I'll buy it. But right now, this just seems like a lot of hype and rumors and not much of what PG has said or done really backs it up.

    The one factor I can understand is his desire to go back home and star in a huge market. But... we went through almost the same thing with Reggie back in the day, where there were rumors he was heading back to LA to star in that market, and in the end, he stayed right here.
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    OK, taking what Woj is saying at face value, then the Pacers have no choice, but to keep him and try to build the best team around him in hopes they can re-sign him. Because if he is going to the Lakers anyway, his trade value is diminished, so don't trade him.

    I know that is against the grain, but that is what I would do
    If we're operating under that assumption (that he's leaving for the Lakers no matter what), then I would trade him for anything I could get. Losing him for nothing is the absolute worst case scenario. I'd rather get 30 cents on the dollar than 0 cents on the dollar.

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    The thing that just has never made sense to me is this rumor that he's made it clear in the locker room for a long time that he wants to play for LA.

    How on earth does that compute? How are you going to inspire your teammates to go all in for the team when you yourself are making it well-known that you want no future for that team? How do you inspire any faith from management about your future here when you "make it clear" you want to go to LA?

    It doesn't strike me as something PG would say, nor does it make any sort of strategical business sense on his part. That's why it's hard for me to buy. There's just nothing to gain by "outing" your feelings like that.

    The other factor I always hear, even from PG's mouth, is that all he wants to do is win. LA has been a wreck for awhile now. Lots of young talent, but also not much experience. They *could* be good 2-3 years down the road, but contender-good? Hard to see it, as it currently stands. And by then, all those young guys will be getting out of their rookie contracts and that salary cap will be jammed if you include PG's salary.

    There's just a lot of rumors that don't jive with each other. It's why it's hard for me to believe. Now, unless some bombshell is revealed with PG coming right out and saying it, I'll buy it. But right now, this just seems like a lot of hype and rumors and not much of what PG has said or done really backs it up.

    The one factor I can understand is his desire to go back home and star in a huge market. But... we went through almost the same thing with Reggie back in the day, where there were rumors he was heading back to LA to star in that market, and in the end, he stayed right here.
    I think this whole thing about him telling his teammates in the locker room might be true, but not very informative or predictive. Do you at work ever talk about stuff, maybe moving to Florida or California, or wanting to live in a certain city. It is just talk, I think about a lot of things, I might say some stuff that maybe I dreamed about, but that doesn't mean I will do it.

    I think his "telling his teammates" like it is some deep dark secret is bogus. People talk about stuff every day, how many people do 10% of the stuff they talk about.

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    Anyone remember that Lakers game from last season--Kobe's last game in the Fieldhouse? The crowd was rooting for the Lakers and cheering on Kobe's shots. Very embarrassing. I wonder if that ever crosses PG's mind.

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    I think this whole thing about him telling his teammates in the locker room might be true, but not very informative or predictive. Do you at work ever talk about stuff, maybe moving to Florida or California, or wanting to live in a certain city. It is just talk, I think about a lot of things, I might say some stuff that maybe I dreamed about, but that doesn't mean I will do it.

    I think his "telling his teammates" like it is some deep dark secret is bogus. People talk about stuff every day, how many people do 10% of the stuff they talk about.
    It's different when you're literally living the dream. I wanna move to California I gotta find a new job, new social circle, all that. PG obviously has the job covered and anything else he doesn't have there he can just bring with him.

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    If we're operating under that assumption (that he's leaving for the Lakers no matter what), then I would trade him for anything I could get. Losing him for nothing is the absolute worst case scenario. I'd rather get 30 cents on the dollar than 0 cents on the dollar.
    Which is exactly what LA or Boston is hoping for. Pacers get desperate, trade him for a 2nd rounder and a couple of role players. We call that a "steal".

    I think our chances of keeping Paul are good enough that I don't need to guarantee the 30 cents. Even just having him for a year and doing nothing stupid sets us up in pretty good shape to rebuild starting in 18-19 should Paul walk. Having that cap space is not nothing.
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    Anyone remember that Lakers game from last season--Kobe's last game in the Fieldhouse? The crowd was rooting for the Lakers and cheering on Kobe's shots. Very embarrassing. I wonder if that ever crosses PG's mind.
    PG was probably secretly rooting for Kobe himself.
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    Anyone remember that Lakers game from last season--Kobe's last game in the Fieldhouse? The crowd was rooting for the Lakers and cheering on Kobe's shots. Very embarrassing. I wonder if that ever crosses PG's mind.
    The only thing that crosses his mind is that being The Man on the Lakers is the best gig in sports. I don't think he's good enough to be that, but that's neither here nor there.

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    Which is exactly what LA or Boston is hoping for. Pacers get desperate, trade him for a 2nd rounder and a couple of role players. We call that a "steal".

    I think our chances of keeping Paul are good enough that I don't need to guarantee the 30 cents. Even just having him for a year and doing nothing stupid sets us up in pretty good shape to rebuild starting in 18-19 should Paul walk. Having that cap space is not nothing.
    Then some other opportunistic team comes along and is willing to take a risk for a year rental of PG and offers something better.

    Also important to note that I was operating under the premise that PG is leaving for LA no matter what next offseason.

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    Lakers going to offer Russell and (insert decent chip here) for PG. If they say no they'll just wait until 2018 and get him for free

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    Lakers going to offer Russell and (insert decent chip here) for PG. If they say no they'll just wait until 2018 and get him for free
    No - LA isn't offering Russell, Ingram, Randle or even the pick. Again - Russell and Randle share agents with George. That agent is going to want all his clients happy and LA is going to want him happy.

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    I don't think the Pacers should get caught up in the Lakers 'head games'. Focus should be on getting PG another legitimate star to convince him to stay.

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    I don't think the Pacers should get caught up in the Lakers 'head games'. Focus should be on getting PG another legitimate star to convince him to stay.
    Exactly. And if we do get that star and PG still walks, we still have that star plus Myles Turner to continue to build around.

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    What's even crazier is that this was statistically his best season.
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    Exactly. And if we do get that star and PG still walks, we still have that star plus Myles Turner to continue to build around.
    Maybe. I'm not sure how we are getting that star without trading Myles Turner though.

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    Maybe. I'm not sure how we are getting that star without trading Myles Turner though.
    I would imagine we're going to swing for the fences in FA and hope for the best.

    Hayward didn't get the super-max, either.
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    Why should he be in a pacers uniform? How
    If we had moved PG for the pick to Boston, as they had reportedly offered us.

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    I would imagine we're going to swing for the fences in FA and hope for the best.

    Hayward didn't get the super-max, either.
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    Because the PDers Who Know All know there's an offer on the table for PG from Boston for the #1 pick.
    It was widely reported that the Celtics had offered the pick for PG. I'm not claiming to be privy to secret information or to have inside sources.

    "According to ESPN's Zach Lowe, the Celtics have put the 2017 Nets pick into the offer for George."

    "Update on Boston, Indy: Boston hasn't met Indiana's asking price on Paul George, but Nets pick has entered conversation now, sources say." -Woj

    Maybe I'm naive, but I believe reports from the likes of Woj and Lowe.
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    We either get a package the exceeds what Cleveland gave up for Love or we keep the best player and that's Paul. I've never wanted to move him anyway.
    I think you'll see us keep Paul, improve the team enough that we'll get a better seed and Paul will make an all nba team next year. It's the only logical move to make.
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    I would imagine we're going to swing for the fences in FA and hope for the best.

    Hayward didn't get the super-max, either.
    Hayward is going to end up staying in Utah or going to Boston. Indy isn't as appealing. Utah can offer the most $$$ / better situation and the Celtics can offer the same $$$ as Indy while offering a better situation and Coach.
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    vnzla has brought up this point a few times too: Why would any guys like Hayward choose to come to Indiana with PG being such a massive uncertainty?

    In a lot of ways, and I don't think it's intentional, PG is holding the Pacers' organization hostage right now.

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