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    Default How do you feel about next year's lineup?

    No obvious holes to fill. It will be hard to improve this team at all in free agency/trades/draft. For better or worse this is what we will have when we start the next season

    Point Guards

    Jamal Tinsley - I thought he was really great at the beginning of the year. He had clearly advanced to the next level and is one of the top 5-7 PG's in the league. The injury hurts and there will probably be durability issues surrounding him the rest of his career.

    Anthony Johnson - With Jamal's absence, showed me that he can fill the backup PG spot. Maybe he is a late bloomer, maybe he didn't get the chance to shine behind Kidd in NJ. It seems like given the time with Tinsley out, he grew into the role. That 4 year contract does not look so bad these days.

    Eddie Gill - Just a guy as far as I'm concerned. He won't challenge for the backup spot, but Carlisle like to carry 3 PG's so I'm sure he will be here.

    Shooting Guards

    Stephen Jackson - Gets to fill the shoes of the most popular guy to ever don a Pacers unigorm. His FG% is a little low for my liking, but he plays good defense and can play inside or out, and will be the 3rd scoring option.

    Freddie Jones - Everytime you think he's tuned the corner, he gives you pause. At times he looks like a Dwayne Wade slasher, who can slice and dice and finish with a tomohawk jam. Other times, he looks like a too small shooting guard plagued by inconsistency.

    Small Forwards

    Ron Artest - Who knows where his head is, but he is vital to the Pacers success. He can really do a bit of everything. Lock down defense, rebounder, enforcer, shooter, post up. Full of intangibles.

    James Jones - Remember when this guy was drafted. The Pacers had Artest, Harrington, and Bender and they went out and drafted the best player available - another SF. The best suprise of the Pacers season. Shoots like a SG, rebounds like a PF. If JB is healthy who is the backup?

    Jonathan Bender - The Bender bandwagon isn't very crowded these days. All the potential seems less promising, but if he is healthy, he can no doubt contribute at the SF and PF spots.

    Power Forwards

    Jermaine O'Neal - Its his team now. Unquestionably. Injury hurt him toward the end. Great offensively, though his FG% is still lower than I would like. Good defender and leadership

    Austin Croshere - One spot that seems lacking is the backup PF spot. Austin is what he is. Not quick enough to play SF, not big/strong enough to play PF. Can still contribute but the Pacers would like to unload the contract.

    Center
    Jeff Foster - Has value as a rebounder. Decent defense. Not much on offense and I wish he would block more shots.

    Dale Davis - Had more in the tank than I thought. Can he still contibute more than 15 minutes a game over the course of a season

    David Harrison - Showed a lot of promise early on before freaky concussion injury. Hopefully will move into backup center role as the season goes on. Work ethic and playing shape could be concern.

    Scot Pollard
    - Back problems will likely never go away. Would seem to be the odd guy out, though he couls see time if Davis plays more at the PF spot.


    That's 14 guys. Two of these guys will be on IR (insert Bender and Pollard comments here). The 15th guy really does not matter - it will likely be our draft pick

    So, where do the Pacers upgrade? I think drafting a backup PF that has some offense would be the best bet. Nobody other than Artest seems likely to be traded and for the record I think Artest will be with the Pacers this upcoming year.

    The good news is the Pacers seem to be set at every position. The bad news is that there is not a spot where they can go get a guy that will be much better than the guy already there. Which leads to the ovious question. Is the team above good enought to win it all?

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    Default Re: How do you feel about next year's lineup?

    My God, thats a huge and I mean HUGE topic. I don't think we should cover it in such large formats. We can address each postion or player in detailed discussion throughout the upcoming months. I don't think I will ever be able to find the time to write a response to that. It would be multiple pages. I really like this post, I just think it is too broad to discuss in the detail it deserves.
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    We do need shooting help - is Jon Barry under contract next year - he has Rick ties and salmost came here once.
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    Agreed that you can never have a team with too much shooting. I really hope Ron spent a lot of time on his jumpshot this year. And Jax needs to do the same over the summer. AJ's a solid player, but my ideal backup PG is a 3-point specialist.
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    I have not thought this through yet. More shooting is always needed. but is the problem not enough good shooters or is the problem the shooters can't for whatever reason get good shots. Maybe a creator is more needed. I don't know, just throwing it out there.

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    Default Re: How do you feel about next year's lineup?

    It isn't that huge a topic, its been done about a thousand times already this season.

    JJ
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    3rd PG

    Thats the order of importance for what I think the Pacers offseason moves should be. Earlier I probbly would have put DD in 1st, but I think JJ is the 2nd coming of Reggie in his shooting, demeanor, etc.

    Cro
    Bender
    Pollard

    Thats the order of importance for moving players who aren't in our future plans. Cro doesn't just fit, Bender is nothing but potential till he can stay healthy, Pollard is a good locker room guy atleast and can take Shaq's abuse reasonable well.

    If DW and LB can maneuver the salary situation and contract negotiations well enough, I think its possible that all 3 of those wants could be filled. It largely depends on what JJ wants to do. I hope that DD would take a small contract if it meant that we could field a better team because of it. Jasikevicious (sp?) would be a great option for 3rd PG, but pretty much anything would be better than Eddie Gill.

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    JJ is a great shooter we just need to get him the ball more and run plays for him. I hope the Pacers can lock him up long term this off season and decide to run plays for him.

    I think Pollard and probably Fred are going to get traded in the offseason for something. What that is I dont know but I have a feeling they are gone.

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    If you're talking the draft, there are some players out there who could help you. But I'd go big and I'd go for bruisers.

    You might try to pick up a utility shooter who could come off the bench - would Voshon Lenard be available? But I'd want some hosses if I could get them. I know neither of them are rated as high as you pick but Turiaf from Gonzaga or Wayne Simien would be folks I'd look at - DD won't be around forever.

    You needed shooters during the playoffs but I'm not so sure you don't have them. James Jones is pretty pure - he didn't get used enough. Freddie was hitting before his injury, so was Tinsley. And that's an area of his game I think Jax could improve. Maybe I'm imagining it but I could swear on most shots he misses it looks like he jumps a little crooked - slightly to the right. Have to look at tape to be sure.
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    I have not thought this through yet. More shooting is always needed. but is the problem not enough good shooters or is the problem the shooters can't for whatever reason get good shots. Maybe a creator is more needed. I don't know, just throwing it out there.
    I thought we got a lot of good looks during both playoff series, but we still shot poorly overall.

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    Maybe I'm imagining it but I could swear on most shots he misses it looks like he jumps a little crooked - slightly to the right. Have to look at tape to be sure.
    You're right. He starts the ball low off to the side, and instead of moving the ball to get it into position he moves his body.

    It's weird, but not like he's gonna change it now.

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