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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

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"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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    Mr. Kravitz best column yet

    http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl.../1088/SPORTS04


    It's time to quit being satisfied just to be here

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    Maybe they've fallen too far in love with their own little fairy tale. Maybe the Indiana Pacers have come to accept the notion that they've done far more than anybody expected, and if they lost tonight, ending both the season and Reggie Miller's career, there will be no shame, no regret.

    Maybe it's on those of us who've pushed that story line, that this is a never-say-die, little-team-that-could group that has overcome so much already, it's ridiculous to ask for them to overcome any more by stretching this to a seventh game in Auburn Hills, Mich.

    (It's always the media's fault. We're too mean. We're too nice. We just can't get it right.)

    So here's the first thing the Pacers have to do tonight, before they stretch, before they engage in the rest of their pregame rituals:

    Stop being satisfied.

    And resolve that if the Pistons are going to beat them, it's going to happen on a night when the Pacers are leaving their best game on the Conseco Fieldhouse floor.

    "We can't get happy with just being here," Stephen Jackson said Wednesday. "I mean, why? We're 11 (actually 10) wins from being NBA champions. How can you not see that? We're just two games from going to the Eastern Conference finals. How can you not see that? That (accepting a second-round playoff elimination) shouldn't even be an option."

    It's a matter of altered perspectives: This team has spent so much time this season scaling the mountain, they become transfixed with how far they've come and lost sight of how little is left before they reach the summit.

    It takes 12 victories to get to the NBA Finals. Right now, they have six victories. Halfway. After coming this far, the rest of the journey doesn't seem that long or tortuous, does it?

    And yet, these past two games, the Pacers' lack of poise and effort has been shocking, especially from a group that has made a habit of bringing it almost every night.

    One theory persists that they're out of physical and emotional gas, that they've been through so much with the suspensions stemming from the Nov. 19 brawl and their key injuries, there is nothing left.

    There's some truth to that.

    Look, your two guard is 39, your center is 36, your point guard is playing on wobbly legs and your power forward has a shoulder that still doesn't seem completely healed. The out-of-gas scenario is plausible.

    Another theory is that this has nothing to do with empty tanks or broken parts, but that the defending champions are just that much better than the Pacers. How many of the Pacers' starters could start for Detroit? Jermaine O'Neal, yes. Jackson, maybe. Everybody else? Forget about it.

    So yes, there's some truth there.

    Now, though, there's another theory that's starting to make sense, and that's the one that suggests the Pacers have become a little bit fat and satisfied with a season that already has surpassed expectations. Let's face it: They lose tonight, they're not going to get ripped. Win or lose, they've won the public's adoration and respect.

    And yet, a third straight gruesome effort would be completely out of character.

    "If we had been a team that was willing to give in to lowered expectations, we would have packed it in a long time ago," Pacers coach Rick Carlisle said. "There was every excuse in the world to pack it in going back to Nov. 20 and we just haven't."

    Thus . . . The Guarantee.

    Because they've always responded in the past. And it's hard to imagine they won't respond with a manic effort tonight, coming together one more time for Reggie, for this team and for a fan base that has supported them in greater numbers than even last year's 61-victory team.

    But, then, you never know. We haven't known all postseason. These series are tougher to read than a James Joyce novel.

    Before Tuesday night's Game 5 at the Palace, Pacers CEO Donnie Walsh was asked if he's ever had a playoff team as relentlessly inconsistent as this one.

    He shook his head quickly.

    "Never," he said. "I've never had a team where we didn't have any idea, from night to night, how they would play. But this really isn't surprising with all the different players and lineups we've had. You forget, Jamaal (Tinsley) and Dale (Davis) had never even played together before the fifth game of the (first-round) Boston (playoff) series."

    My hope is that no matter what happens, the crowd resists the temptation to beat the traffic and stays until the end, win or lose, remaining to pay tribute not only to Miller, but to a team that has represented this area in an inspired and classy way after its embarrassing actions Nov. 19.

    At the very least, "Reggie! Reggie!" needs to echo throughout the Fieldhouse one final time.

    They've come this far because they refused to believe that mediocrity was good enough, even after the post-Nov. 19 madness. Now, they've got to dispense with the notion -- however true -- that taking the Pistons to six games is more than enough.

    Sunday. Palace. Be there.

    Bob Kravitz
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    Re: Mr. Kravitz best column yet

    Very true, UB. Why can't more articles be like this. Factual, to the point, not over critical and not sugar-coating the facts.

    Articles like this could even have me to start reading the paper again.

    Damn, old age is getting the best of me. Next thing is I will start watching Sportscenter again. YUK !!!

    I would rather be the hammer than the nail

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    • #3
      Re: Mr. Kravitz best column yet

      I'm critical of Kravitz... and I admit it.

      I don't think he knows a whole lot about basketball. But then, this article isn't about basketball. Not really.

      It's about determination and human nature. And about goals and how to attain them. And about things OUTSIDE of merely being basketball players that makes this team so special. And especially, about heart.

      A good article and a good read.

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      • #4
        Re: Mr. Kravitz best column yet

        I don't like Kravitz as a rule because I think he sensationalizes things. I do think his type is needed though. I said it after the Colts' collapse - Indy teams are not mentally tough and I think much of it has to do with the lack of media criticism. After what this team has been through this season, for them to come out and play with as little emotion as they have the last 2 games is unacceptable. Just like the Colts - this team is not responding to being punched in the mouth. Real men and real teams would respond to this and Indy teams rarely ever do. They do well in the regular season and they do well in the early playoff rounds but once they face a physical team they fold like a tent.
        "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."
        - Benjamin Franklin

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        • #5
          Re: Mr. Kravitz best column yet

          Mr. Kravitz's best columns...

          ...are the ones my bird takes a dump on. (If I had a bird.)

          Sure this particular column may be good, but he writes so much 99% of the time I won't bother reading his column even if someone tells me it's good.

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          • #6
            Re: Mr. Kravitz best column yet

            I could handle Kravitz if he wasn't the ONLY sports opinion columnist in the whole friggin city. If we had three or even two columnists (beat reporters don't count) that occasionally wrote about the Pacers then Kravitz would blend in well. But as others have mentioned, he's too sensationalist, doesn't seem to really be a fan of the team, and generally stirs up a bunch of crap. As the Star's lone sports op-ed guy he's a disappointment. I'm not a fan.

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            • #7
              Re: Mr. Kravitz best column yet

              Originally posted by btowncolt
              Kravitz does the job he was hired to do superbly.
              Bingo.
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              • #8
                Re: Mr. Kravitz best column yet

                Originally posted by grace
                Mr. Kravitz's best columns...

                ...are the ones my bird takes a dump on. (If I had a bird.)

                Sure this particular column may be good, but he writes so much 99% of the time I won't bother reading his column even if someone tells me it's good.
                your loss.
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