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    The one that got away. How much better off would we be if we still had Brad Miller? Would Indiana have won yet?

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    Oh no...
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    ......and that was the last anyone ever saw or heard from 31 Forever......

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    Unless Brad had been able to keep 11/19 from happening I don't think we'd be any better off. After all he did break his leg this year so it's not like he'd be helping all that much righ now.

    On the other hand there would be at least 2 threads about a) how we should have traded him or b) what we could get for him in the off season.

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    To put it simply.

    No.

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    Brad's a good guy. It's hard to say.

    The offense would flow better with a high-post center, as opposed to Jermaine playing low- and high-post in the offensive scheme.

    On the other hand, Brad's never going to give you 10 offensive rebounds.

    Plus, he'd have gone into the stands.

    Plus, he'd be broken down right now even if he hadn't broken his leg.

    We did fine. But I'd rather have Brad than Bender, no questions asked.
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    I'd rather have Brad than Bender, no questions asked.
    Hear hear!

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    No doubt in my mind we'd be a better team right now. He has done better in the West than I thought he would. He averaged 15.6 pts, 9.3 rebs and 3.9 ast this season while shooting 52% and 81% from the line. Pretty darn good numbers.
    My only worry was long term, I just didn't see him playing well long term. When his current contract is up he'll be around Dale's age now. I don't see him being anywhere near the physical condition or the player Dale is at that age. I always thought Brad would have 3 or 4 good years and then fade away quickly. If he plays anywhere near his current level through this contract, then we made a big blunder.

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    Plus, he'd have gone into the stands.

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    Brad's a good guy. It's hard to say.

    The offense would flow better with a high-post center, as opposed to Jermaine playing low- and high-post in the offensive scheme.

    On the other hand, Brad's never going to give you 10 offensive rebounds.

    Plus, he'd have gone into the stands.

    Plus, he'd be broken down right now even if he hadn't broken his leg.
    We did fine. But I'd rather have Brad than Bender, no questions asked.
    I think I'll stay out of the overall debate because I'm pretty sure we all know what I think on this.

    However I want to just addresst this.

    I will admit that Brad seems to always have an injury as the season ends. But in all honesty doesn't Jamaal & Jermaine do the same thing?

    I know we are all going to say that Jermaine's is legit & that we all saw the shoulder go pop. But then we don't give Brad the same benfit of the doubt when his leg was broken. It wasn't strained or pulled or sore. It was broken.

    Jermaine was injured late this year. Jermaine was injured late last year. Jermaine was injured the year before that as well as the year ended.

    I won't even begin to talk about Jamaal because he is always injured.

    What am I saying? I don't know. I guess I just always felt it was an unfair statement to make about Brad when both of the above are literally the exact same way.


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    Brad's a good guy. It's hard to say.

    The offense would flow better with a high-post center, as opposed to Jermaine playing low- and high-post in the offensive scheme.

    On the other hand, Brad's never going to give you 10 offensive rebounds.

    Plus, he'd have gone into the stands.
    The dude had fishing lures in his hat?

    He'd have given you another offensive option 15 feet away from the basket and would have drawn Ben out (and made him play defense), cutting down on the offensive boards.

    Whether that would've been enough to win game 4 or 5 is debatable.
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    I think I'll stay out of the overall debate because I'm pretty sure we all know what I think on this.

    However I want to just addresst this.

    I will admit that Brad seems to always have an injury as the season ends. But in all honesty doesn't Jamaal & Jermaine do the same thing?

    I know we are all going to say that Jermaine's is legit & that we all saw the shoulder go pop. But then we don't give Brad the same benfit of the doubt when his leg was broken. It wasn't strained or pulled or sore. It was broken.

    Jermaine was injured late this year. Jermaine was injured late last year. Jermaine was injured the year before that as well as the year ended.

    I won't even begin to talk about Jamaal because he is always injured.

    What am I saying? I don't know. I guess I just always felt it was an unfair statement to make about Brad when both of the above are literally the exact same way.
    I am not picking on you Peck but why do so many posters argue by comparison. This was a Brad Miller thread, redundant that it may be, so why are we talking about JO and JT.

    Can we not criticise someone without introducing others for comparison. What you said about JO and JT is true but what was said about Brad was true.

    Now, what am I saying ? Hell, I don't know either but the constant comparison thing just bothers me.

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    I will always believe that dumping Brad was the biggest mistake the Pacers have made in at least a Decade. It beats dumping A.D. for Bender because it was really A.D. for the 4th pick. Yes Brad broke his leg but he came back for the playoffs and played well.

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    In retrospect, it'd be nice to have spent money on him rather than Bender. But hindsight is 20-20 and frankly, Miller is a western conference player. He's charmin down low w/ zero post moves. Basically a big jumpshooter. Certainly wouldn't help us block out the Wallaces.

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    So many falsehoods already in this new thread. For my sanity I'm not going to hash them out right now. Maybe by late June / July

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    This was a Brad Miller thread, redundant that it may be, so why are we talking about JO and JT.

    Can we not criticise someone without introducing others for comparison. What you said about JO and JT is true but what was said about Brad was true.
    Because certain member of this board have been known to be hypocritical and homerish. If Jeff Foster was traded today their would be a segment who next year would be telling how limited Foster was on offense and that he couldn't guard a motivated Bryant Reeves. Just like when Brad left all of the sudden he was now a horrible defender.

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    Peck, I don't have a problem with Brad breaking his leg. That's just bad luck, there's nothing conditioning can do to help. I think the same thing of Jermaine's injury. I'm saying that historically Brad hasn't worked on conditioning, so he's broken down by this point anyway.

    I'm surprised that you guys think Brad would have been more peaceful than the rest of the Pacers. This is a guy that had more flagrants than Ron at several points in his Pacers career, and at the end of that season was #2 in the league behind Ron.

    On the other hand, seeing a white guy in the fracas might have diminished public outrage...
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    Flagrant fouls are objective though. Like that one against Dale in game 4, what a joke. I normally complain because our fouls aren't hard enough. I hate and 1 opportunities. Foul hard enough so they can't shoot. But now I guess thats a flagrant.
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    Flagrant fouls are objective though. Like that one against Dale in game 4, what a joke. I normally complain because our fouls aren't hard enough. I hate and 1 opportunities. Foul hard enough so they can't shoot. But now I guess thats a flagrant.
    Ron's flagrants were used in his season suspension, so obviously Stern follows that logic. Wait, now I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.

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    Ron's flagrants were used in his season suspension, so obviously Stern follows that logic. Wait, now I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
    Yeah, but Ron had numerous other crimes on his rap sheet including trying to attack a fan in the stands before. A Pacer fan actually, I was at that the game when he was on the Bulls.
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    Yeah, but Ron had numerous other crimes on his rap sheet including trying to attack a fan in the stands before. A Pacer fan actually, I was at that the game when he was on the Bulls.
    I wasn't being serious lol......

    I could see Brad going in though, because I can see most players doing it. Plus he is a good ol boy.

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    I wasn't being serious lol......

    I could see Brad going in though, because I can see most players doing it. Plus he is a good ol boy.


    He is definitely a good ol boy. I basically think it would depend on Brad's position on the court. Had he been on the bench he would have probably recieved the one game suspension like Reg for leaving, but thats it. Had he been up by Artest he would have probably pulled a Fred Jones (go it to help), but when he got hit by someone he most likely would have started swinging back unlike Fred.
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    If Brad were an Apollo 11 astronaut, would he have been the first man on the moon or orbiting it in the lunar module?

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    If Brad were an Apollo 11 astronaut, would he have been the first man on the moon or orbiting it in the lunar module?

    Tough decision.


    I guess he'd be on it, he has a go gettum attitude.
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    If Brad were an Apollo 11 astronaut, would he have been the first man on the moon or orbiting it in the lunar module?
    Would he fit?

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