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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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Paul George to appear on Jimmy Kimmel May 15th

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  • Re: Paul George to appear on Jimmy Kimmel May 15th

    Originally posted by I Love P View Post
    If PG does not sign an extension this offseason then you deal him. When you've got valuable assets on the table in an offer for a guy who will not commit to you, you take that deal & keep building.
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    Trade PG
    For 2 2nd round picks and a 3-year $40M roleplayer whose contract is more than he's worth? Or for a 7-10 pick and a similarly crap contract?

    You guys don't want to play basketball, you wanna play "draft".

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    BillS

    A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
    Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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    • Re: Paul George to appear on Jimmy Kimmel May 15th

      Originally posted by BillS View Post
      For 2 2nd round picks and a 3-year $40M roleplayer whose contract is more than he's worth? Or for a 7-10 pick and a similarly crap contract?

      You guys don't want to play basketball, you wanna play "draft".

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      Why do we always do stuff like this? We're all Pacers fans, we all ultimately want the team to win an NBA title. Some people just have very different views on how they think we should do it. Different views ≠ wrong views.

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      • Re: Paul George to appear on Jimmy Kimmel May 15th

        Originally posted by BillS View Post
        For 2 2nd round picks and a 3-year $40M roleplayer whose contract is more than he's worth? Or for a 7-10 pick and a similarly crap contract?

        You guys don't want to play basketball, you wanna play "draft".

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        I suppose the question is, what is Paul george worth to the pacers 12 months from now?

        It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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        • Re: Paul George to appear on Jimmy Kimmel May 15th

          Originally posted by BillS View Post
          For 2 2nd round picks and a 3-year $40M roleplayer whose contract is more than he's worth? Or for a 7-10 pick and a similarly crap contract?

          You guys don't want to play basketball, you wanna play "draft".

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          This is your problem. All makes sense now. This is what you think the Pacers will get in return. Hell if I thought that I'd probably be wanting him back too.

          BillS:

          PG
          For
          2 2nd round picks & a bench player.

          Yea I'm with you now, keep PG even if he doesn't resign & risk him walking for nothing, which is likely.

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          • Re: Paul George to appear on Jimmy Kimmel May 15th

            Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
            KP built some solid teams in POR. Mainly through the draft (Roy, LMA, Oden, Jack, Batum). The issue there was mainly injuries and coaching

            Oh wait...
            Coaching? How can it be both injuries AND coaching?

            I'm no big Nate fan but blaming him for his best player going down is stupid.

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            • Re: Paul George to appear on Jimmy Kimmel May 15th

              Originally posted by freddielewis14 View Post
              Coaching? How can it be both injuries AND coaching?

              I'm no big Nate fan but blaming him for his best player going down is stupid.
              It was a somewhat tongue on cheek comment but Roy wasn't always injured either.

              Edit: im not much of a Nate hater. He's an average to below average head coach. No more, no less
              Last edited by Ace E.Anderson; 05-16-2017, 08:13 PM.

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              • Re: Paul George to appear on Jimmy Kimmel May 15th

                Originally posted by I Love P View Post
                This is your problem. All makes sense now. This is what you think the Pacers will get in return. Hell if I thought that I'd probably be wanting him back too.

                BillS:

                PG
                For
                2 2nd round picks & a bench player.

                Yea I'm with you now, keep PG even if he doesn't resign & risk him walking for nothing, which is likely.
                It's a shame really. He believes we're jumping the gun for wanting to trade him this offseason, but he's the one undervaluing the "star" when it comes getting assets back for him.

                At minimum, someone was going to come off some first round draft pick(s) and 2-3 solid players.


                Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                • Re: Paul George to appear on Jimmy Kimmel May 15th

                  Try and sign Hayward. If that fails then I guess trade PG. But really don't want to see him traded

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                  • Re: Paul George to appear on Jimmy Kimmel May 15th

                    Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
                    It was a somewhat tongue on cheek comment but Roy wasn't always injured either.

                    Edit: im not much of a Nate hater. He's an average to below average head coach. No more, no less
                    The only playoff series he wasn't injured was his very first playoff series. So yea, he was pretty much always injured.

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                    • Re: Paul George to appear on Jimmy Kimmel May 15th

                      Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                      Meh, I just don't think that train of thought goes very deep with these modern players: 2010 Lebron, Howard, Bosh, CP3, Durant, and Melo all left their original team.

                      These guys aren't like Reggie, David Robinson, Malone, or Stockton......or Dirk, Duncan, Pierce (Celt for all of his relevant years) and Kobe.

                      If Durant didn't care about the perception that he was piggybacking off of a team that had already won a title, then I certainly don't think PG would mind being considered one of many great Lakers. Just like what Shaq did in 96, or how people continue to sign with the Yankees even though they won't be the "greatest Yankee ever".
                      Oh please a player is as loyal to a team as the team is to them more so really since a player can dump you at any time and get the fans to agree rather than vice versa.

                      It worked out that Duncan spent his entire career with the Spurs he went to the playoffs every year and won 5 titles who would leave that?

                      Kobe? Same thing

                      Dirk? Went through more ups and downs but still stuck it out.

                      It worked out for them to spend their entire careers with the team and the team still wanted them.

                      Usually it doesn't work like that it ends up like:

                      Paul Pierce spent most of his career as a Celtic but they didn't want him anymore despite being the franchise player for years and carrying the Celtics as long as he did.

                      Wade/Heat etc.

                      Malone even left to go to the Lakers at the end.

                      There's no real loyalty in professional sports and its ridiculous to hold players to these standards when teams and fans don't do it themselves.

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                      • Re: Paul George to appear on Jimmy Kimmel May 15th

                        I'm looking forward for Bills PR work on Ingram and whoever we draft when we get them
                        @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                        • Re: Paul George to appear on Jimmy Kimmel May 15th

                          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                          I'm looking forward for Bills PR work on Ingram and whoever we draft when we get them
                          I don't know much about BillS, but besides the Pacers roster & a few household NBA names, I'm gonna guess he's got no clue.

                          Pacers trade PG, Joe Young, Niang, Monta & Serpahin to LA for Ball or Fox, Ingram, Randle, Nance, Mbawa, Zubac.

                          *BillS* - WHAT? Awful trade!! We traded our precious PG for those scrubs??!! And we gave up a high ceiling players /young assets in Joe & Niang? Monta too?? He was so great!! I'm canceling my season tickets!! Hm! ��
                          Last edited by I Love P; 05-16-2017, 10:08 PM.

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                          • Re: Paul George to appear on Jimmy Kimmel May 15th

                            Originally posted by I Love P View Post
                            I don't know much about BillS, but besides the Pacers roster & a few household NBA names, I'm gonna guess he's got no clue.

                            Pacers trade PG, Joe Young, Niang, Monta & Serpahin to LA for Ball or Fox, Ingram, Randle, Nance, Mbawa, Zubac.

                            *BillS* - WHAT? Awful trade!! We traded our precious PG for those scrubs??!! And we gave up a high ceiling players /young assets in Joe & Niang? Monta too?? He was so great!! I'm canceling my season tickets!! Hm! ��
                            @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                            • Re: Paul George to appear on Jimmy Kimmel May 15th

                              Originally posted by tora tora View Post
                              .
                              he gone
                              "We've got to be very clear about this. We don't want our players hanging around with murderers," said Larry Bird, Pacers president.

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                              • Re: Paul George to appear on Jimmy Kimmel May 15th

                                Do I think Paul will leave the Pacers? Yes

                                Is he still a Pacer? Yes

                                Will I still support him as long as he's still a Pacer before I say he's "Dead to Me?" Yes.

                                We don't know what the future holds here and we can guess as to what he will do but its safe to say he might not be sure himself and is being open to all possibilities because he can be.

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