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    No to Terrance Ross. Absolutely not.
    He can shoot. He can score, he's athletic, under contract for another 3 seasons on the old CBA. Not sure what the problem is.

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    He can shoot. He can score, he's athletic, under contract for another 3 seasons on the old CBA. Not sure what the problem is.
    He's not very good. That's the problem.

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    He's not very good. That's the problem.
    For a bench flame thrower we just need him to come in and hit 3's. Ross + Nick Young and his $5.7 1 year left + Rudy Gay cheap at backup PF would be a great bench. Lance and Seraphin at backup PG/C. Ross had a great game against us I believe late last season. Hit 6 3's and had over 20 points.

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    For a bench flame thrower we just need him to come in and hit 3's. Ross + Nick Young and his $5.7 1 year left + Rudy Gay cheap at backup PF would be a great bench. Lance and Seraphin at backup PG/C. Ross had a great game against us I believe late last season. Hit 6 3's and had over 20 points.
    With that lineup you'll be lucky to keep teams under 200 ppg

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    With that lineup you'll be lucky to keep teams under 200 ppg
    Maybe only 130 ppg.
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    With that lineup you'll be lucky to keep teams under 200 ppg

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    Many of us--myself included--were ambivalent at best about GRIII before last season. He hasn't set the world on fire, but I think I can safely say that collectively we skeptics have been pleasantly surprised.

    I then think about Popeye Jones expressing disappointment that Rakeem Christmas hadn't progressed as much as hoped. This implies there's untapped potential. In fact, more than once I've mused about a bigger, stronger Myles Turner role next season, and the perfect type of back-court teammate. After a brief flash of seeing Peck and Dale Davis animated like Smithers and Mr. Burns, I then think, "Damn it, a fully realized Christmas would be nearly perfect!" No, I don't see him as a three-point stretch 4 marksman, but I put more emphasis an athletic strong-man rebounder when paired with Turner.

    My point is that if we can see GRIII and Christmas (and even Joe Young??) improve even one level, our bench will strengthen considerably and our hidden-gem issues will be partially answered. Larry was considering Draymond Green; he just didn't pick him. Oops. If Pritch makes the right choice next time, we're in business.
    I'm still confused by Christmas. Didn't look good in the D-league. Comes to the main roster, looks good. People rave about him. PG said he should have been in a role a long time ago. Then boom, buried on the bench

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    I'm still confused by Christmas. Didn't look good in the D-league. Comes to the main roster, looks good. People rave about him. PG said he should have been in a role a long time ago. Then boom, buried on the bench
    He can't score. That allows teams to double team the ball. Basically the same issue as Lavoy. Pacers can swing the ball to them, but neither is any real threat to score. He just clogs up the offense.

    Pacers need a scoring big for backup. Or at least a guy that can score on a bad defender.

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    He can't score. That allows teams to double team the ball. Basically the same issue as Lavoy. Pacers can swing the ball to them, but neither is any real threat to score. He just clogs up the offense.

    Pacers need a scoring big for backup. Or at least a guy that can score on a bad defender.
    He is not an outside threat to score but there were a few games where he did well down low. Those games where him and LaVoy were together, the bench did great. I don't know why that combo was given up on so quickly.

    The Pacers have a scoring big in Al. How did that work out? Sometimes having someone that does the dirty work/cleanup is more important than being able to score. Look at Jeff Foster.

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    He is not an outside threat to score but there were a few games where he did well down low. Those games where him and LaVoy were together, the bench did great. I don't know why that combo was given up on so quickly.

    The Pacers have a scoring big in Al. How did that work out? Sometimes having someone that does the dirty work/cleanup is more important than being able to score. Look at Jeff Foster.
    The problem with Al was that he didn't score. He was so out of shape that he couldn't play effectively offensively and that meant that he was basically worthless. If Al had been Al, then most of the problems with the 2nd unit would be solved. The issue was Al being too fat to play, not what his skill was. It is important, IMO, to have 5 guys that can both defend their position and score on an average defender. If not, then teams can double team or pressure the ball off of the guy that can't score. You basically end up playing 4 on 5 on offense.

    Jeff Foster is a good example. I don't know how old you are, but the Pistons did exactly that to Jeff Foster when he played. They cheated off of him to double JO or Ron or Reggie. That allowed them to overload the paint without giving up a good shot when the ball moved to Jeff.

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    It is important, IMO, to have 5 guys that can both defend their position and score on an average defender.
    Is there any team where this is the case for their backup bigs as well as their starters?

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    I'm still confused by Christmas. Didn't look good in the D-league. Comes to the main roster, looks good. People rave about him. PG said he should have been in a role a long time ago. Then boom, buried on the bench
    Christmas will fit the new identity envisioned quite well. He's not going anywhere, especially on his cheap contract.

    I expect he will be a consistent contributor next year.

    Same with Seraphim.

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    The problem with Al was that he didn't score. He was so out of shape that he couldn't play effectively offensively and that meant that he was basically worthless. If Al had been Al, then most of the problems with the 2nd unit would be solved. The issue was Al being too fat to play, not what his skill was. It is important, IMO, to have 5 guys that can both defend their position and score on an average defender. If not, then teams can double team or pressure the ball off of the guy that can't score. You basically end up playing 4 on 5 on offense.

    Jeff Foster is a good example. I don't know how old you are, but the Pistons did exactly that to Jeff Foster when he played. They cheated off of him to double JO or Ron or Reggie. That allowed them to overload the paint without giving up a good shot when the ball moved to Jeff.
    Players that can play both ends get paid. Be really tough to find a back-up big that does it on both ends of the floor. Seraphin is about as close as it gets. Pacers need a rebounder more than a scorer. Hans is somewhat ideal, if he'd give the ball up. His problem is once it's in his hands he's going to the rim and try to get fouled.

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    I will throw a name out there. Edwin Jackson and no not the baseball player. He is 27 years old and plays for a Spanish team although he is French. The Nets have scouted him twice now and although he is undersized he could be a cheap scoring pop off the bench.

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    12 million next season, if he doesn't pan out then let him walk
    Sounds like an Al Jefferson situation all over again.

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    For those who don't want to keep Teague (I am not in this boat)... would you engage the Lakers in a trade for D'Angelo Russell if they draft Lonzo Ball?

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    For those who don't want to keep Teague (I am not in this boat)... would you engage the Lakers in a trade for D'Angelo Russell if they draft Lonzo Ball?
    Lakers won't want anything on Pacers not named Paul George or Myles Turner for Russell. (It's not that Russell is amazing really but Pacers lack assets)
    "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

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    [whispers]Robbie Hummel[/whispers]

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    K.J. McDaniels

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    Last year I wanted Batum. Thought he'd be the Ideal win partner for Paul. Anyone on that level is Ideal for this Pacers team.

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    Terry Rozier is one of my favorite Celtics players (there aren't many on this team i truly think are any good) and he's probably going to be a casualty this summer. Some team will get him and really see him explode in a bigger role.

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    The guys at Draftexpress were gushing about Ekpe Udoh in the Euroleague Final 4 today over how he can switch every screen and defend the rim as well.

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    Lakers won't want anything on Pacers not named Paul George or Myles Turner for Russell. (It's not that Russell is amazing really but Pacers lack assets)
    If you have Lonzo you don't need Russell though. I doubt you get much for him beyond a 1st round pick and maybe a solid veteran on a cheap deal. Russell is still somewhat unproven.

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    Aaron Gordon, he has Milsap potential.
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    Aaron Gordon, he has Milsap potential.
    What do the Pacers have that would be of any interest for Orlando to grab Aaron Gordon from them?
    Impossible is nothing.

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    Aaron Gordon, he has Milsap potential.
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