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    Throughout the years, our best players have been almost exclusively drafted or acquired via trade, as we all know this isn't a major free agent destination for most young stars. We've pulled a few, like DWest, but the list is short. But the real cornerstones like Reggie, Danny, and Paul were drafted, and the guys like JO, Jalen, Artest, Hibbert were all via trades.

    We've all been talking about the "big fish" trades. Moving PG for draft picks, moving Monta+pick for guys like Melo or Dwight who are in bad situations, or even moving Myles for a guy like Butler. But I haven't seen much talk about the hidden gems. We got JO for Dale Davis. DD was coming off an All-Star appearance on the strength of his defense and rebounding, but scoring just 10ppg didn't exactly make him a complete two-way player. I still hear the echoes of his free throw attempts hitting the back of the rim.

    So, let's take a look around the league and see if there are any of those JO-type guys hiding behind veterans on contenders that we could pilfer for a similar deal. Maybe they don't ever become an MVP-candidate like JO did, but let's say guys who could potentially become All-Stars if they get the chance. Where are they hiding?
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    Delon Wright is a diamond in the rough.


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    Delon Wright is a diamond in the rough.
    Is Toronto committed to him, maybe as a potential replacement for Lowry? Or is re-signing Lowry a big priority that would keep Wright buried on the bench? What would it take to get him, and what's his ceiling?
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    Being from Toronto and have watched many of their games....Wright has a ton of potential. He just doesn't get minutes because Lowry starts and Joseph takes all the back up minutes
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    Being from Toronto and have watched many of their games....Wright has a ton of potential. He just doesn't get minutes because Lowry starts and Joseph takes all the back up minutes
    That is a tough PG rotation for sure. No wonder he hasn't gotten much play. Kinda like being the Warrior's 3rd string PG behind Steph and Livingston.

    What I really would like to know is, who is the hidden gem SG or SF. That is the position that needs to be upgraded.

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    I have no clue what it would take to get him.

    He can comfortably play the 1 or 2. Personally I would like to retain Teague and have Wright play 2 for the Pacers.

    I think his ceiling is a slightly better rebounding George Hill.


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    I feel the way the CBA has evolved more teams are clinging onto prospects much tighter unless they are really trading for an all-star and going all in to win. It's why Boston refuses to trade it's young players or picks unless they are guaranteed to win. Portland was forced to match Net's offer on Crab for 80 million, even though he is probably not worth that much. I anticipate Nets are going to go even more crazy with RFAs this season.

    I think the ones to look out for this year are Jonathan Simmons from Spurs, JayMchal (sp?) Green from Memphis, and Alan Williams from Suns.

    Side note, this is why not picking up Solo Hill's option was such a bizarre thing, he wasn't the best, but at that value he was pretty good role player.

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    Side note, this is why not picking up Solo Hill's option was such a bizarre thing, he wasn't the best, but at that value he was pretty good role player.
    Apparently Bird was interested in giving Solo a swift kick in the pants to help him increase the level of his play and his career. It worked. Admirable in a way, but it didn't help us.
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    Default Re: Where are the hidden gems this off-season?

    Toronto has a lot of money tied up in winning now, assuming they try to re-sign the big names. I can't see them trying to match generous offers to Wright. I would go after him for sure, he was one of my favorite players in the 15 draft.

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    I feel the way the CBA has evolved more teams are clinging onto prospects much tighter unless they are really trading for an all-star and going all in to win. It's why Boston refuses to trade it's young players or picks unless they are guaranteed to win. Portland was forced to match Net's offer on Crab for 80 million, even though he is probably not worth that much. I anticipate Nets are going to go even more crazy with RFAs this season.

    I think the ones to look out for this year are Jonathan Simmons from Spurs, JayMchal (sp?) Green from Memphis, and Alan Williams from Suns.

    Side note, this is why not picking up Solo Hill's option was such a bizarre thing, he wasn't the best, but at that value he was pretty good role player.
    I like Green and Williams, and have been a proponent of John Simmons, but I think Simmons should be dropped from the list. He is older and still doesn't bring anything other than athleticism consistently. He shows flashes of having a consistent shot from range and great defense, but just isn't there enough for me.

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    Does Saric fit the "diamond in the rough" mold for everyone?


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    Montrezl Harrell, great energy player, can rebound and score around the rim.
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    Default Re: Where are the hidden gems this off-season?

    is Seraphin a FA?

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    Does Saric fit the "diamond in the rough" mold for everyone?
    0% chance they trade him. 0. Is the ROY

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    I have always liked Ian Clark.
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    0% chance they trade him. 0. Is the ROY
    They might trade him for PG. That is exactly the type of trade the Pacers should be looking for if they can't retain Paul. Saric, a role player and a pick.


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    Joe Inglis - very versatile on offense with a great 3pt shot + a solid defender.

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    They might trade him for PG. That is exactly the type of trade the Pacers should be looking for if they can't retain Paul. Saric, a role player and a pick.
    Well. Ill bump the odds up significantly if you're going to include a top 10 player like PG

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    Jonathan Simmons, Aaron Baynes, Jodie Meeks, Patrick Patterson, Jonas Jarenko, James Johnson, Ersan Illyasova, Thabo Sefelosha, Shelvin Mack, Adrian Payne, James Young, Tyler Ennis, Beno Udrih, Alan Anderson, Luke Babbit, Thomas Robison, Ian Clark, Jeff Withey, Mike Muscala, Derrick Williams.
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    Ennis was legit when he got pt. I think he's the new Suns PG. Bledsoe is gone imo

    As far as Jerebko and James Young... they're yours.

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    Throughout the years, our best players have been almost exclusively drafted or acquired via trade, as we all know this isn't a major free agent destination for most young stars. We've pulled a few, like DWest, but the list is short. But the real cornerstones like Reggie, Danny, and Paul were drafted, and the guys like JO, Jalen, Artest, Hibbert were all via trades.

    We've all been talking about the "big fish" trades. Moving PG for draft picks, moving Monta+pick for guys like Melo or Dwight who are in bad situations, or even moving Myles for a guy like Butler. But I haven't seen much talk about the hidden gems. We got JO for Dale Davis. DD was coming off an All-Star appearance on the strength of his defense and rebounding, but scoring just 10ppg didn't exactly make him a complete two-way player. I still hear the echoes of his free throw attempts hitting the back of the rim.

    So, let's take a look around the league and see if there are any of those JO-type guys hiding behind veterans on contenders that we could pilfer for a similar deal. Maybe they don't ever become an MVP-candidate like JO did, but let's say guys who could potentially become All-Stars if they get the chance. Where are they hiding?

    Porzingis. Knicks might deal him. He seems unhappy there.

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    Ennis was legit when he got pt. I think he's the new Suns PG. Bledsoe is gone imo

    As far as Jerebko and James Young... they're yours.
    He put up numbers but nobody out here thinks he's the answer. Suns fans are dying for one of the top point guards in this draft.

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    Default Re: Where are the hidden gems this off-season?

    I still like John Jenkins in a Seth Curry role although he's not in the NBA right now and I'm not sure where he ended up this season.

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    Its less realistic to get a few of these guys than others but:

    Joe Ingles, Jaymichel Green, Jonathan Simmons, James Johnson, Ben McLemore, Ian Clark, Tony Snell, Darren Collison

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    McGee, the guys has made himself some money.
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