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    One thing has surprised me. Ron has not been taken off any of the posters in Conseco or any of the video they show on the big screen at the games, and from this article the team stays in constant contact with Artest.


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    Team's thoughts turn to Artest



    Trying to stay sharp: Ron Artest hasn't played for the Indiana Pacers for months, but he has practiced often with the team this season. -- Sam Riche / The Star



    By Bob Kravitz
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    AUBURN HILLS, Mich. -- Ron Artest isn't here, and won't be a part of the Indiana Pacers' postseason journey, no matter how far it goes. But he's still in their thoughts.

    "I left a message for him (Sunday)," Pacers coach Rick Carlisle said before Game 1 of the Pacers-Detroit Pistons series at the Palace of Auburn Hills. "I've kept in contact with him consistently, even when we haven't been around him in person. He's still very much in our thoughts, still a part of our team.

    "Our entire team has great compassion for Ron and what he's had to go through, and great admiration for how he's handled things. He's done everything he can do to keep himself in great basketball shape, to improve himself as a player and as a person and still be a part of what we're doing."

    Here at the Palace, Artest's season ended. The other combatants in the terrible Nov. 19 brawl were allowed to return, but Artest got the toughest penalty ever levied by the NBA.

    He has practiced with the team much of season and traveled with it a few times, but he's not here. And the Pacers know how much it's killing him to watch this unfold on television.

    "I'm sure it's bothering him; he's competitive and he knows he could make a real difference in this series," CEO Donnie Walsh said before the game. "So I'm sure it's hitting him that he's not here. But basically, he's doing what he can do to make sure he can play next year and that he won't have anything like that (the brawl) happen again.

    "I think he's doing all the right things for himself."

    Walsh wouldn't specify what kinds of help Artest has sought in recent months, but said Artest has worked not only on his game, but on himself as a human being.

    The Pacers believe, and hope, that the year away from the game will make the difference.

    "It's hard for Ron," Carlisle said. "He's expressed to me that this has been the most difficult year of his life. But at the same time, he's told me now he has an appreciation for what the game means to his family and his life. I have no doubt he will come back in a big way."

    Throughout the season, there have been rumors that Stern might reinstate Artest, that he might soften on the seasonlong ban.

    Carlisle never thought it would happen, mostly because he couldn't afford to let his team "get into a hoping or waiting game. That would have been detrimental to us."

    Walsh, though, said the Pacers twice made formal appeals to Stern.

    In early December, Walsh, president Larry Bird and team owner Herb Simon flew to New York to make an appeal, more on behalf of the franchise than Artest.

    Then, around the All-Star Game in February, the Pacers sensed from some public statements that maybe Stern was softening slightly, that perhaps there was a chance of reinstatement.

    Once again, Walsh, Bird and Simon flew to New York.

    "The gist of the appeal was that even though we accepted that our players had done wrong, there were an awful lot of circumstances that contributed to the whole deal, and that should ameliorate the punishment," Walsh said. "Because they (the Pacers players) weren't solely to blame.

    "But I think (Stern) made his decision and I honestly think it would have been hard to go back on that decision publicly."

    In Walsh's mind, Stern was taking on more than a single group of players or a single event. He was taking on what he perceived to be a destructive trend in the NBA. It just so happened that when he put his foot down, Artest and the Pacers were under it.

    "My feeling is he (Stern) felt like looking at the league in general that he had to get tough with all these young players," Walsh said. "And he had to put down strict guidelines because a lot of them, they didn't have the benefit of knowing what you do and don't do."

    By now, Artest knows what to do.

    Or so the Pacers believe.

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    "I'm sure it's bothering him; he's competitive and he knows he could make a real difference in this series," CEO Donnie Walsh said before the game. "So I'm sure it's hitting him that he's not here. But basically, he's doing what he can do to make sure he can play next year and that he won't have anything like that (the brawl) happen again.

    "I think he's doing all the right things for himself."

    Walsh wouldn't specify what kinds of help Artest has sought in recent months, but said Artest has worked not only on his game, but on himself as a human being.

    The Pacers believe, and hope, that the year away from the game will make the difference



    I honestly do hope this is true. I know that he will be back in Indy next year because nobody is going to take a chance on him otherwise. He has to prove himself. And when he does, we will not let him go, or else his price tag will be VERY high.


    I jsut hope they know what they are talking about.
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    My guess is they're keeping their options wide open with Artest. Bet there will be a lot of Bird/Walsh conversations with other GM's this summer which include statements such as, "He's doing all the right things to get himself to where this will never happen again. Etc., etc.

    But if there's one thing everyone on the planet should know by now it's that Artest's offcourt behavior has no relationship whatsoever to his on-court behavior.
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    My guess is they're keeping their options wide open with Artest. Bet there will be a lot of Bird/Walsh conversations with other GM's this summer which include statements such as, "He's doing all the right things to get himself to where this will never happen again. Etc., etc.

    But if there's one thing everyone on the planet should know by now it's that Artest's offcourt behavior has no relationship whatsoever to his on-court behavior.

    amen to that
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    My guess is they're keeping their options wide open with Artest. Bet there will be a lot of Bird/Walsh conversations with other GM's this summer which include statements such as, "He's doing all the right things to get himself to where this will never happen again. Etc., etc.

    But if there's one thing everyone on the planet should know by now it's that Artest's offcourt behavior has no relationship whatsoever to his on-court behavior.
    Unfortunately, most people don't know that. Artest is thought of as a thug, and they don't know that he is really a great guy and father. I really do hope he bounces back strong and helps this team next year. And I believe he will
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    If you want my feelings on this, just look to my sig.

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    So what were saying is that........ what Stern did was actually a favor to Ron?



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    If you want my feelings on this, just look to my sig.

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    I would love to hear Ron Artest introduce as Ron "The Accursed" Artest his first game back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcadian
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    I would love to hear Ron Artest introduce as Ron "The Accursed" Artest his first game back.
    Some are accursed by thier own actions, others by the commisioner.

    Ron is accursed by both.
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    So what were saying is that........ what Stern did was actually a favor to Ron?

    Before the anger set in, this was my first thought once the suspensions were leveled.

    I thought, maybe, in the long run, this will be just what Ron needed. Maybe he will finally turn things around.

    I don't think he will, though. But I can't deny, if he ever were to get things straightened out, it would be after this hellish suspension.
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    I really hope we dont trade Ron.

    Jamaal
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    with James, Freddie, AJ, Jeff, (hopefully) Sean May, David Harrison coming off the bench... thats pretty deep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peck
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    So what were saying is that........ what Stern did was actually a favor to Ron?

    LOL! The only way Stern would've done Ron a favor is by instituting a "Special Ron Artest Intervention" Program (SPRAI)

    SPRAI involves the following elements:

    Ron Artest
    Basketball
    Electrodes
    Monitoring Devices
    Technician
    ISP (Intervention Specialist Practitioner)
    Taser
    Counselor

    So what Stern should have done is not suspended Ron - at least not for more than a game or two and implemented the SPRAI program.

    The program works like this.

    Ron is fitted with electrodes, intercranial as well as the standard TPR monitors. The Technician is of course stationed to keep constant watch over the Monitoring devices. The ISP is on standby at center-court (it may be advisable to have more than one ISP).

    The game begins. Ron plays ball. If the Technician ever notices that Ron's readouts begin to move beyond nominal, he signals the ISP. The ISP then immediately rushes onto the court, tasers Ron, then the game is halted while Ron receives a mid-game counseling session.

    This way, maybe Ron's working on his mental state and basketball will actually have something to do with each other because I'll tell you this - I've read all the articles about how Ron is a great family man. I've read about his community service and, his work with children ad infinitum. I even believe them. And guess what - these things have absolutely nothing to do with Ron the basketball player.

    So they can write all the articles they want about Ron's anger management classes and counseling sessions. This is nice - and completely irrelevant. Everyone's convinced me - what he does on the court is totally unrelated to his behavior off the court. The anger management and counseling don't matter.
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    Enjoyable Artest article He did have a great ttp://www.freep.com/sports/rosenberg/rosey10e_20050510.htm

    BY MICHAEL ROSENBERG
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    This game made me think of what I saw, between these two teams, Nov. 19.


    No, not that.


    I'm not talking about the end of that game, or its effect on schoolchildren in North Dakota and the economy of Nepal, or whatever the fallout was supposed to be. This is about basketball.


    In his last NBA game, Ron Artest absolutely destroyed the Pistons. He had 24 points and five rebounds. And on defense, he wrapped up Tayshaun Prince like a to-go order.


    I was on a tight deadline, so with two minutes left in that game, I sent my column to our copy editors. All they had to do, besides correct my usual grammatical mistakes and factual errors, was fill in the score.


    I wrote:


    If you listed five reasons why this depleted Indiana team won, Artest has to be Nos. 1 through 4.


    The Pacers were down to reason No. 5 on Monday. Artest, who is usually everywhere on the floor, was nowhere to be found.


    Where would Artest have been?


    Would he have kept Prince from rebounding his own miss, then scoring?


    Would he have taken minutes from Fred Jones, guarding Rip Hamilton? After the game, Hamilton talked about the Pistons' "easy baskets." Artest does not allow easy baskets.


    Would he have made a few baskets in the second quarter, out of sheer will, to keep the Pacers in the game?


    Would he have posted up Prince? Instead, Prince posted up Stephen Jackson.


    Or would Pacers coach Rick Carlisle have mixed things up and thrown Artest on Chauncey Billups? In that Nov. 19 game, Billups tried to shoot a buzzer-beater before halftime, but Artest defended him so well, Billups couldn't even get a shot off.


    Billups is going to kill the Pacers in this series. It's inevitable. He is too big for Pacers point guard Jamaal Tinsley and too quick for Tinsley's backup, Anthony Johnson.


    Carlisle likes to play surgical, bleed-them-to-death basketball, and he is missing his scalpel. The Pacers like to win low-scoring games. You know: 79-77, 84-80, that kind of thing.


    Monday night, the Pistons had 52 at the half. The Pistons had 72 after three quarters.


    Basically, the Pistons had their way.


    Artest is not the world's best player. But he might be the NBA's most versatile great player, because he excels at multiple positions on offense and defense. Without him, Indiana suffers everywhere.


    And when you add the Pacers' injuries (they have the league's lowest player-to-doctor ratio) ... well, Indiana is in an ocean of trouble.


    If you think the Pacers will win this series, I won't call you insane. Just do me a favor and stay off the roads.


    Give the Pacers credit for getting this far. They beat a talented group of stooges from Boston to do it. But their train is running out of track.


    The Pacers are gutsy enough and good enough to win a game or two, but four? Not unless the Pistons get injured. Not without a few choice bribes.


    Not without Artest.


    Artest would not have assured a Pacers' victory. Even with his temper under control, Artest is flakier than anything Kellogg ever made.


    Remember, before the deciding game of last year's Eastern Conference Finals, Artest missed the team flight because of a phantom migraine. And with a few minutes left in a tie game, he used his elbow to check Rip Hamilton in the face. He picked up a technical foul. That's how he ended his season.


    No, Ron Artest would not have assured anything. But he would have made it interesting. He would have made it fun.


    Back in November, before the madness, Artest was having some troubles that seem almost quaint now. He asked for some time off to promote his record, or maybe because he was tired from promoting his record -- it seems so long ago, the details get fuzzy. Anyway, Indiana was supposedly shopping him.


    And in that column that was never printed, after chastising Artest for playing basketball on one of the week's prime record-promoting nights, I wrote this:


    On nights like Friday, when he terrorized the Pistons in every imaginable way ... well, on nights like this you realize Indiana can't possibly get equal value in a trade.


    Carlisle, a sometimes-intractable coach, has to coax Artest into more nights like Friday. The Pacers' season depends on it, and to a lesser extent, so does the Pistons'.


    What would this game have been like with Ron Artest? Somewhere, he must be asking that very question.


    __________________________________________________ _____________


    I know I'm asking that question

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    Ok, I still think he is ****ed up in the head and I hate him for basically ruining our season........









    but I have to come out and say it: I miss Ronnie Artest!

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    As far as I'm concerned, Artest is as beneficial to this team as Bender. Less, actually - at least Bender doesn't get his teammates suspended. I can only hope all this talk is only to increase his minimal trade value.

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