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  • #16
    Re: I don't get it...

    Originally posted by I Love P View Post
    I just saw an interesting piece on hoopshype via Indy Star: Says, "Larry Bird was unwilling to deal PG at the deadline." This to me means want I've been thinking. Larry stepped down because a trade is inevitable.

    Draft Lottery is a big night. We need LA in that top 2.
    Still a lot to happen until "this" is determined but it is 100% on the front office and the ownership. One day after PG broke his leg was the perfect time to start another 3-year retool. Lance had already left in free agency. West was going to be at least one full season older before PG was even close to healthy and Hibbert was already leaking oil. Nobody had the balls to say PG was the centerpiece and screw the small % of recovery risk & let's do it better this time. Had they taken that path the franchise would have seen the return on investment this season in a weak conference with a deep playoff run.
    Last edited by Downtown Bang!; 04-30-2017, 09:49 PM.

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    • #17
      Re: I don't get it...

      Originally posted by owl View Post
      One thing that I see with many of us on the board and maybe some with management and ownership is a lack of patience. PG could fit in that category as well.
      There is no rule that says the Pacers have to be a contender next year. If managment would continue to get one or two good players each year and not necessarily another superstar maybe one of those young players developes into a star. If PG stays a big question is do you sign Teague. How much will he cost?
      Bring PG into the discussion and let him see you have a plan.
      Small markets need to be smarter. Can we have the Spurs GM?
      I agree with this in the context of the present situation. All involved would have to accept (believe) incremental improvement would get the team somewhere important in a couple of seasons. Totally plausible and something Reggie and the 90'same Era team had the patience to do. Just don't think today's free agent environment will allow PG to view the situation that way. Even when the situation he could walk into in LA may be even less favorable what could transpire in Indy.

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      • #18
        Re: I don't get it...

        Originally posted by 3rdStrike View Post
        Honestly I think people are just bitter. Not a week goes by that somebody doesn't bemoan Vogel not coaching this team or talk about George Hill or say the core should've never been broken up... a core, btw, which featured a 1 dimensional guy who in an instant turned into a malcontent bum and a ringchasing backup big. And people dislike Bird because he dared to get rid of the ghost of Danny Granger for a good young player -- a deal that didn't work out for the Pacers, but was still one you have to take every single time.

        And so with people refusing to let all of that go, the fact that the product on the court hasn't been great just turns the resent into general apathy.
        One of my BIGGEST gripes (and I wrote about it several times early in 2014-15 season - this is not hindsight) was NOT to trade David West as soon as PG broke his leg. It was obvious from previous spring that West's miles started to be at the end and Scola was doing just fine for which was anyway "a lost season". Bird should have actively shopped West to teams with more serious aspirations that year - preferably before West ever returned from injury and showed his total apathy on court. We would have surely gotten something like Terrence Ross + a pick from power forward-desperate Raptors. That was a BAD non-move.

        I was not against trading Hibbert as the only question left was whether he was a) done for us or b) done altogether. B has proved right and I did actually caution very early that he may be "too big and unathletic" to have a long, productive career. I called him Muresan Lite for those who still remember the Romanian giant from 90s. Still, he was a recent two-time all-star and DPOY candidate who should've netted more...

        I really question the intellect of paople who have ever for a second thought that signing years-past-their-prime Monta Ellis or Al Jefferson could result anything positive. I don't hate either of those players, but especially Monta (all kudos for his competitiveness, over-achievement in stats department as a 40th pick etc.) has always sucked royally in one important basketball thing - winning games. Even when he was individually great, his end sum for his teams has been negative. Old version? What kind of senile geezer recruits him. A Dick from French Lick.

        Evan Turner was not a good young player. Every analytical guy on NBA planet had constantly named him as one of the most ineffectual, empty-stat player on whole league. High usage, low production, horrible defense. Brad Stevens must be a basketball genius for being able to make Evan Turner raise to a replacement level. In Portland, he has again regressed to being the worst +/- guy in a whole team (and that takes a lot when you have Meyers Leonard as a team-mate)

        Thad Young & Jeff Teague are two guys whom I actively HATE as basketball players. They cost us #12 & #20 picks. Remember that when they will "lead" this Paul George-less team to 20 wins next season while earning a combined 30 million bucks more than the sophomores whom we could have in their place.


        Those were the MAJOR rumblings I have - on a lesser scale I have also been appalled by Rudo-Budinger trade, the rude exit given to Scola after he was one of the few bright spots of that "lost season", absolute idiocy in not picking Solo's option year, roster spots wasted for two complete seasons per player on Whittington/Joe Young while everybody with some sense knew in 2 months that they are not ever gonna be NBA players etc. etc.


        Yeah, he drafted Myles Turner. Well done on 11th spot.

        ...and even with Myles - if he plateaus now, there may be no less than 9 players drafted later in that draft who may well end up having better NBA career in the end :

        #13 Booker
        #15 Oubre
        #20 Delon Wright
        #22 Portis
        #23 Hollis-Jefferson
        #35 Willy Hernangomez
        #37 Richaun Holmes
        #40 Josh Richardson
        #46 Norman Powell.

        So Turner is a solid pick, not a homerun...

        P.S. Except trades for Teague & Thad Young I have commented on every point above at the time of the deal or non-deal. Last summer though I was so depressed about the moves we were taking to decimate any defensive capabilities that I went out of forum for months...
        Last edited by PetPaima; 04-30-2017, 10:05 PM.

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        • #19
          Re: I don't get it...

          Originally posted by owl View Post
          One thing that I see with many of us on the board and maybe some with management and ownership is a lack of patience. PG could fit in that category as well.
          There is no rule that says the Pacers have to be a contender next year. If managment would continue to get one or two good players each year and not necessarily another superstar maybe one of those young players developes into a star. If PG stays a big question is do you sign Teague. How much will he cost?
          Bring PG into the discussion and let him see you have a plan.
          Small markets need to be smarter. Can we have the Spurs GM?
          I think as it stands, this team will get better. Keep both picks and develop them and sign a couple players who can either shoot it or defend well. However, with Paul wanting to be on a contender every second of his career, that's not a realistic scenario right now so here we all are in this dilemma.

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          • #20
            Re: I don't get it...

            Originally posted by PetPaima View Post
            One of my BIGGEST gripes (and I wrote about it several times early in 2014-15 season - this is not hindsight) was NOT to trade David West as soon as PG broke his leg. It was obvious from previous spring that West's miles started to be at the end and Scola was doing just fine for which was anyway "a lost season". Bird should have actively shopped West to teams with more serious aspirations that year - preferably before West ever returned from injury and showed his total apathy on court. We would have surely gotten something like Terrence Ross + a pick from power forward-desperate Raptors. That was a BAD non-move.

            I was not against trading Hibbert as the only question left was whether he was a) done for us or b) done altogether. B has proved right and I did actually caution very early that he may be "too big and unathletic" to have a long, productive career. I called him Muresan Lite for those who still remember the Romanian giant from 90s. Still, he was a recent two-time all-star and DPOY candidate who should've netted more...

            I really question the intellect of paople who have ever for a second thought that signing years-past-their-prime Monta Ellis or Al Jefferson could result anything positive. I don't hate either of those players, but especially Monta (all kudos for his competitiveness, over-achievement in stats department as a 40th pick etc.) has always sucked royally in one important basketball thing - winning games. Even when he was individually great, his end sum for his teams has been negative. Old version? What kind of senile geezer recruits him. A Dick from French Lick.

            Evan Turner was not a good young player. Every analytical guy on NBA planet had constantly named him as one of the most ineffectual, empty-stat player on whole league. High usage, low production, horrible defense. Brad Stevens must be a basketball genius for being able to make Evan Turner raise to a replacement level. In Portland, he has again regressed to being the worst +/- guy in a whole team (and that takes a lot when you have Meyers Leonard as a team-mate)

            Thad Young & Jeff Teague are two guys whom I actively HATE as basketball players. They cost us #12 & #20 picks. Remember that when they will "lead" this Paul George-less team to 20 wins next season while earning a combined 30 million bucks more than the sophomores whom we could have in their place.


            Those were the MAJOR rumblings I have - on a lesser scale I have also been appalled by Rudo-Budinger trade, the rude exit given to Scola after he was one of the few bright spots of that "lost season", absolute idiocy in not picking Solo's option year, roster spots wasted for two complete seasons per player on Whittington/Joe Young while everybody with some sense knew in 2 months that they are not ever gonna be NBA players etc. etc.


            Yeah, he drafted Myles Turner. Well done on 11th spot.

            ...and even with Myles - if he plateaus now, there may be no less than 9 players drafted later in that draft who may well end up having better NBA career in the end :

            #13 Booker
            #15 Oubre
            #20 Delon Wright
            #22 Portis
            #23 Hollis-Jefferson
            #35 Willy Hernangomez
            #37 Richaun Holmes
            #40 Josh Richardson
            #46 Norman Powell.


            So Turner is a solid pick, not a homerun...

            P.S. Except trades for Teague & Thad Young I have commented on every point above at the time of the deal or non-deal. Last summer though I was so depressed about the moves we were taking to decimate any defensive capabilities that I went out of forum for months...
            I disagree with a lot in the end of this comment, but I've seen you post most of it many times before, so I will focus on the bolded.
            First, there are only two guys on that list that could make a case for being better than Myles now. Secondly, why would a young big man plateau now, while all of those guys keep rising?
            How many of those guys have tasted the playoffs? It's ridiculous to mention the possibility Delon Wright (a guy that I wanted us to find a way to get) becoming better than Myles, just so it will help you belittle another decision made in the last two years.
            Last edited by Ichi; 04-30-2017, 11:21 PM.

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            • #21
              Re: I don't get it...

              Originally posted by Ichi View Post
              it will help you belittle another decision made in the last two years.
              I didn't mean to belittle that decision. I stated several times that drafting Myles Turner was a GOOD decision. I just listed 9 players taken after him who have shown kind of a promise that they MAY end up being better full-career NBA pros than Turner. If you ask me I expect no more than 0-3 to actually do (don't ask whom, it is too early and it can be decided by coincidental circumstances ie. the situation they are put in). As Turner should achieve more than minimum 5 guys above him and possibly even be the top3 player of the whole draft (while his absolute floor appears to be around 10th-best of the draft), it was a very good pick. It is not YET proven to be a homerun pick, but it can become even that - maybe.

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              • #22
                Re: I don't get it...

                Originally posted by PetPaima View Post
                ...and even with Myles - if he plateaus now, there may be no less than 9 players drafted later in that draft who may well end up having better NBA career in the end :

                #13 Booker
                #15 Oubre
                #20 Delon Wright
                #22 Portis
                #23 Hollis-Jefferson
                #35 Willy Hernangomez
                #37 Richaun Holmes
                #40 Josh Richardson
                #46 Norman Powell.

                So Turner is a solid pick, not a homerun...
                Love your posts, Paima. Whether or not others agree with your positions, I salute you for offering considerable research-related detail to make your points, which raises the quality of the forum.

                The list above illustrates for me the potential improvement that Pritch may bring: a dynamic awareness of how to maximize value through the draft (and perhaps free agency as well; we'll see). Bird had a bad habit of falling in love with one guy in the draft. I acknowledge that trading up or down in the NBA is not as easy or as common as in the NFL, but I'm quite hopeful that our new GM will show his strength in that area.


                "He’s no shrinking violet when it comes to that kind of stuff."

                - Rick Carlisle on how Kevin Pritchard responds to needed roster changes.

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                • #23
                  Re: I don't get it...

                  Originally posted by DrFife View Post
                  Love your posts, Paima. Whether or not others agree with your positions, I salute you for offering considerable research-related detail to make your points, which raises the quality of the forum.

                  The list above illustrates for me the potential improvement that Pritch may bring: a dynamic awareness of how to maximize value through the draft (and perhaps free agency as well; we'll see). Bird had a bad habit of falling in love with one guy in the draft. I acknowledge that trading up or down in the NBA is not as easy or as common as in the NFL, but I'm quite hopeful that our new GM will show his strength in that area.


                  Going from Bird to Pritchard is pretty much the same thing as going Vogel to McMillan.

                  He's been here long enough and had a large enough role that he's not going to bring anything new to the mix.
                  "man, PG has been really good."

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                  • #24
                    Re: I don't get it...

                    Originally posted by Ichi View Post
                    I disagree with a lot in the end of this comment, but I've seen you post most of it many times before, so I will focus on the bolded.
                    First, there are only two guys on that list that could make a case for being better than Myles now. Secondly, why would a young big man plateau now, while all of those guys keep rising?
                    How many of those guys have tasted the playoffs? It's ridiculous to mention the possibility Delon Wright (a guy that I wanted us to find a way to get) becoming better than Myles, just so it will help you belittle another decision made in the last two years.
                    Yeah...to say Turner wasn't one of the best picks in that draft is pretty ridiculous. No stat will back you up on Delon Wright or even 1/2 the other players you named.

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                    • #25
                      Re: I don't get it...

                      Originally posted by brownjake43 View Post
                      Yeah...to say Turner wasn't one of the best picks in that draft is pretty ridiculous. No stat will back you up on Delon Wright or even 1/2 the other players you named.
                      Two years from the draft (and just one year in NBA for some) is not yet a career. At this point I agree that Myles has Top-4 production out of that draft (KAT is at tops, Porzingis/Myles/Booker pretty even, Russell trailing and Norman Powell coming up like gangbusters). However, I listed players who have at least in some spots shown enough talent that they MAY end up amongst the best of the class when it's all done and dusted in 15 years' time.

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                      • #26
                        Re: I don't get it...

                        Originally posted by PetPaima View Post
                        Two years from the draft (and just one year in NBA for some) is not yet a career. At this point I agree that Myles has Top-4 production out of that draft (KAT is at tops, Porzingis/Myles/Booker pretty even, Russell trailing and Norman Powell coming up like gangbusters). However, I listed players who have at least in some spots shown enough talent that they MAY end up amongst the best of the class when it's all done and dusted in 15 years' time.
                        But you used something the other players MAY do to say that the pick was just solid not a home run. This ignores that Turner MAY be a perennial All Star.

                        Silly to say you're only looking at Turner now, but then judge the other players on potential.

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                        • #27
                          Re: I don't get it...

                          Originally posted by freddielewis14 View Post
                          But you used something the other players MAY do to say that the pick was just solid not a home run. This ignores that Turner MAY be a perennial All Star.

                          Silly to say you're only looking at Turner now, but then judge the other players on potential.
                          Ok, let re-phrase : Turner-pick has not yet proven to be more than a solid choice. It is (as of now) not a franchise-changing super pick-up, although it has some potential to become such.

                          Everybody happy now?


                          P.S. I am happy with Turner - deffo. But I also remember that MCW was a rookie of the year. Rookie named Tyus Edney was supposed to be a star for Sacto after his sterling 1st campaign. Once the report was out he ended out of league in 3 years (although later played some games for us). I am slightly worried that opposing teams are learning to take Myles seriously and starting to find ways to neuter him. He need to keep developing - but of course he seems capable to do so too...

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                          • #28
                            Re: I don't get it...

                            Originally posted by ejwallace View Post
                            I’ve been away from these forums for a long time, due to the site being blocked, and my short time back has deeply saddened me. I know how all this works, and I know that I am going to get torched for this post, but what I have seen/read since I have managed to get back on the sight just floors me.

                            I get that this team was not “thrilling” to watch all season, and that there were a LOT of issues. I watched us get swept in the playoffs for the first time in Pacers history. I get that all you read in the news and sports “authorities” claim that PG is leaving and going to LA. I see that there is a lot of angst, animosity, and butt hurtedness within this fan base, but come on….What makes this team so “awful” that we need to have a fire sale, trade away our best player, get rid of Bird, fire Nate, and hell, while we’re at it, let’s “tar and feather Simon for being a cheap ***”….

                            Now, let’s start off talking about getting swept by the Cavs….You know, the defending NBA Champs, the team that Lebron calls home again, the team that many would consider a lock to make the NBA Finals for the 3rd straight year…That is one hell of a team. Many on this very same board stated we wouldn’t get out of the first round, hell it was claimed we shouldn’t even have made it into the playoffs. We took one of, if not the best, team in the NBA to task for four straight games, losing all four games by a TOTAL of 16 points. Going into the series, the Cavs had averaged 5.2 more points and 1.8 more rebounds than the Pacers. Let’s also not forget that Lebron and company rested for the last 4 games of the season while the Pacers fought for their dignity. Let’s also not forget that the Lebron led Cavs have always been our kryptonite. We match up poorly with them, and require our best player to be at his best on both end of the court in guarding Lebron. I also know that we blew a 26 point lead in game 3, but THAT was the coaches fault. I don’t want to get into all of that again, and rehash that pathetic display of team management, but you can’t put that all on the players, that L goes solely on the man putting the wrong combination on the floor to be effective, and not making the appropriate changes on both offense and defense to maintain the lead. While I am disappointed in getting swept, I was impressed with the heart of this team to come out and fight all four games, all the while being harshly scrutinized and ignored by masses. No one expected the Pacers to put up a fight against the Cavs, and at one point, that series should’ve been 2-1 Pacers….How would your opinions have changed if that were the case??

                            Onto Paul…The cumulative response on this board seems to be that he’s leaving, so **** on him….I don’t get it. I haven’t heard/read anything that I can consider credible, that guarantees his departure. All the speculation on what is in one man’s head is ridiculous. Paul hates Larry, Simon won’t pay, Paul hates his teammates and calls them out publicly, Paul is a diva, the list goes on and on and on. That **** is all speculation, and not backed by ANY facts. This was Paul’s first year having to step up and be the true leader of the team. Did you really expect him to be flawless? One guy CAN’T do it all. Myles is young, Teague has been criticized his entire career for being emotionless, Stuckey, Monte, and RG3 have been somewhat injury prone, CJ is streaky, and Paul….Paul believes that he should be getting the same calls that Lebron does, and when those calls aren’t going his way, he begins to play hero ball, and tries to do too much by himself. Does he complain to the refs a lot, yes he does, and that is one of my biggest criticisms against him, but damn.

                            The bottom line is the media doesn’t want Paul to stay in Indy, and all this negativity coming from the fan base, only helps to push him out the door. I, for one, hold out hope that Paul sees where this team has been, and where it is going. I believe that the front office will do what they can to reach out and bring talent to Indy to play alongside Paul. I do think that Paul needs to get out there and hit the recruiting path as well. Lebron had a big hand in recruiting his supporting cast in both Miami and Cleveland. Kobe used to do the same, and would meet with possible pickups/trades when they were brought in by the Lakers. Paul needs to use that AllStar status and pull to help get talent. He is the reason they are coming to Indy, nothing else.

                            Paul also needs to determine what he wants out of his career. Does he want to be known as a ring chaser, or does he want to have a legacy. Staying in Indy, and helping to build a championship roster that brings Indy it’s first NBA Championship, would cement Paul’s seat amongst those considered basketball royalty. Chasing a ring like KD, and becoming a team hopper like Melo, and countless others, will ultimately have a negative effect on Paul’s place in NBA history.

                            I get that there are a lot of raw emotions out there, and that this forum seems to be either fight or flight, but damn, the addition of Lance brought out a fire that wasn’t there the entire season, and even managed to pull some emotions out of Teague. We’ve got a good thing going here, and I truly believe that we are on the cusp of being great. Now is not the time to bail on this team. Now is the time for encouragement and hope, positivity and loyalty. Now is the time for the Pacers and their fan base to show the rest of the NBA what the Pacers stand for, and that Indiana is STILL basketball country.

                            Flame away…
                            I think a lot of this is just message board stuff, you will always have the sky is falling crowd.

                            I think trading PG is the wrong thing to do, you just can not guarantee you will get another player that good ever. Its better to make him a partner in the decisions. I am not saying give him LeBron like control but at least include the guy, let his opinions matter. Do not allow trade talk to happen about him without freaking talking to him about it. I saw an interview with him after the trade deadline and he was clearly upset that they were talking about trading him. Could it be that the LA talk is a result of that? Bird has never shown any loyalty to any Pacers player Kevin has also not shown any since he was the one who put together the Danny trade that in my opinion started the slide.

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                            • #29
                              Re: I don't get it...

                              Originally posted by Ragnar View Post
                              I think a lot of this is just message board stuff, you will always have the sky is falling crowd.

                              I think trading PG is the wrong thing to do, you just can not guarantee you will get another player that good ever. Its better to make him a partner in the decisions. I am not saying give him LeBron like control but at least include the guy, let his opinions matter. Do not allow trade talk to happen about him without freaking talking to him about it. I saw an interview with him after the trade deadline and he was clearly upset that they were talking about trading him. Could it be that the LA talk is a result of that? Bird has never shown any loyalty to any Pacers player Kevin has also not shown any since he was the one who put together the Danny trade that in my opinion started the slide.
                              Jeff Foster...
                              http://www.nba.com/gamenotes/pacers.pdf

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                              • #30
                                Re: I don't get it...

                                Originally posted by Ozwalt72 View Post
                                Going from Bird to Pritchard is pretty much the same thing as going Vogel to McMillan.

                                He's been here long enough and had a large enough role that he's not going to bring anything new to the mix.
                                I don't get those kinda posts using weak arguments to just throw out some negative opinion spinning in your mind...
                                Same could be said about Vogel, who served a long time under JOB. I know your point is that his role wasn't "large" enough to change anything under JOB, but I bet that you have no idea what is really going on in the offices at BLF to say that KPs role is pretty much the same as it was the last seasons. He even said publicly that he had some (sometimes crazy) ideas Bird just didn't like. From an outside standpoint I would say it has to be seen if he can bring something new (don't know how you define "new" in your argument, cause in those kinda jobs you always bring something new), but as of now I give him the benefit of the doubt, because it's a) better than senseless negative comments and b) he said some good things in his presser as to where he wants the team to go. Call me excited.

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