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    Can you share anything else without betraying your sources?
    Guy told me Bird would be fired (I didn't believe it) then an hour later this broke

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    The double standard is fun. Weren't you arguing that Lance was a big difference maker for the Pacers, while he has been terrible everywhere else? Something about Lance and Indiana just clicks? Why can't that be true for Vogel too? And that Magic roster was/is absolute trash. I don't think he did a great job this year, but the ceiling of that roster was like 32 wins.
    Well lance came back and picked up right where he left off. Maybe frank would be the same too, who knows
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    Bird is leaving.... Finally we can move on from the scourge of bad decisions. Last year when Bird chose not to renew Vogel's contract I said that I was boycotting the team until he left. He has left.... GO PACERS!!!
    PACER FAN ON STRIKE!!!-The moment the Pacers fire Larry Bird I will cheer for them again.

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    Bird is leaving.... Finally we can move on from the scourge of bad decisions. Last year when Bird chose not to renew Vogel's contract I said that I was boycotting the team until he left. He has left.... GO PACERS!!!
    Well ya don't see this everyday. Welcome back.
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    In recent seasons I've been one of the more critical Bird posters. Due to the myriad of reasons that I and others have hashed out a billion times. Not doing that here.

    With that being said, Larry Bird has been a Pacers legend, and it's been a blessing to have him as a Coach and in his various front office roles. He just (in *MY* opinion), lost his way. The game evolved and he wasn't able to. Etc. etc... Cliche, cliche....

    I take no personal pleasure in seeing him resign or demote himself within the organization, which I guess we won't fully know the details of for a bit here. So again, just to be very clear. I appreciate and love Larry for what he did for most of his tenure, and I fully concede that *many* of the things that went wrong with various Pacers players and specific seasons were out of his control to varying degrees.

    With that being said: The *ONLY* thing I care about is Paul George remaining in a Pacers uniform. And, at least at face value, it appears that this news deals a massive blow to that already toss-up type scenario playing out.

    So primarily for that reason alone, I am really dejected and sad to hear about this. Not because I think he's the best GM to continue leading our franchise (That ship sailed for me after Danny) - but because it appears to be just further etching the writing on the "Paul George as a Pacer Wall"

    So yeah... This sucks. And yes, I'm not SO anti-Larry now that I'm jumping for joy.

    I just really want the Paul George situation to work out here.


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    So without having anything concrete, lets assume Bird was asked to step down. Could only be a few reasons why.

    1. Offseason mistakes
    2. Refusal to trade PG
    3. Dakich said the Kravitz article blaming Simon

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    Does this mean the pattern of a 'new voice' every 3 years is over? That was a little annoying. Maybe we can just use common sense and look at things on a situation by situation basis now.
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    Interesting question. I tend to agree with you. Although I think the fans could support it if it goes smoothly (which is almost never does) and by that I mean - . OK so we have a 24 win season, we get a top 3 pick, we pick a building block. Next season we win 25 games, get an0other top pick and get a future star. next season we win 30 games, get 1 more top 3 to 5 pick, make a couple of good trades, maybe sign a free agent or two, get the right coach and boom we win 45 games in year four and we see a contender forming that will last 5 to 7 years.

    I think the fans could support that. But how often does that happen?
    I mean, what was the turnout at The Fieldhouse this year? What was the turnout for JOB era Paul George teams? That's what scares me, tbh. Some of that was affected by the specter of the brawl, true, but while the Pacers fanbase can kick *** during the boom times, I've seen Bankers Life during years that haven't even been lottery years and, well...

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    So without having anything concrete, lets assume Bird was asked to step down. Could only be a few reasons why.

    3. Dakich said the Kravitz article blaming Simon
    Yeah, let's go with Herb Petty McPettypants firing poor Larry because Sideshow Bob wrote another crazy opinion piece.
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    Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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    People need to stop worrying about the Pacers leaving town. It's not going to happen.

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    Yeah, let's go with Herb Petty McPettypants firing poor Larry because Sideshow Bob wrote another crazy opinion piece.
    Well, while I don't agree that was the reason, it could be deeper than that.

    Maybe their really is a disconnect where Bird feels like he is handicapped. Remember the rumors when Bird left the first time that he was meeting with Orlando because Simon wouldn't spend?

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    What do we think of these rumors of the Pacers possibly being for sale? I kind of thought that was possible after reading Herb's interview with the Star a week or so ago, but seems like more smoke is coming out. Does it deserve it's own thread?

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    Is there any chance that Bird stepping down actually helps the odds of keeping PG?
    It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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    Whats the over/under on how long before our first FIRE PRITCHARD!! thread?
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    What do we think of these rumors of the Pacers possibly being for sale? I kind of thought that was possible after reading Herb's interview with the Star a week or so ago, but seems like more smoke is coming out. Does it deserve it's own thread?
    I believe it. I wouldn't be surprised if Pacers were for sale as long as buyer kept team in Indy.

    Honestly, might be best for taxpayers if the state or city just bought the team.

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    Whats the over/under on how long before our first FIRE PRITCHARD!! thread?
    Within an hour of the inevitable PG trade.

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    Whats the over/under on how long before our first FIRE PRITCHARD!! thread?
    Not sure, but I think I know who will be the OG poster of the thread lol

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    I have always disliked Bird for many reason but most of all because he is so overrated as an executive, especially on this board. Now that the deed is done, let's see this as a golden opportunity to get a fresh start. A new voice as it were.

    We should make a heartfelt, honest and complete run at getting PG signed, but if not..."thanks...good luck".

    Let's see if Pritchard has the vision thing and can put it in place. If not, next...

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    Legit question: Can Paul George be signed and traded to a team? If so, think that increases our return, or diminishes? I can see both sides.

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    Decrease i think. He would be signing for a lot more money here than somewhere else.

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    Is there any chance that Bird stepping down actually helps the odds of keeping PG?
    No. I think Larry wanted to keep PG because Paul is the only legit chance (right now) that he has at winning...reason Larry didn't pull the trigger at a trade in February, which I think he was told to take phone calls. I think since the end of Game 4 last Sunday & before this was announced, Larry got word Paul is no longer apart of the future & this is why Larry has decided to step down. He wants no part of a rebuild...Pritchard has shown he can rebuild so he's giving Kevin the keys now before the summer gets real.

    Another thing, if PG somehow makes All-NBA I don't think Simon wants to pay him that max deal. Another reason Larry stepped down now rather than waiting to see if he made the team. That or Larry has gotten word somehow Paul is not making All-NBA.

    Either way this is step 1 to a massive change coming. Paul will be dealt to the highest bidder in June. Which I expect to be a draft pick or two & a player, maybe 2.
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    Legit question: Can Paul George be signed and traded to a team? If so, think that increases our return, or diminishes? I can see both sides.
    I believe sign and trades are done with the new CBA.

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    Did anyone ever think that maybe firing Larry was a move to KEEP Paul? Maybe Larry's bad roster moves finally wore on Paul. Maybe Paul didn't demand Larry getting fired, but hinted at management that if a new roster constructor wasn't brought in he would probably not re-sign? This just seems like management looking at a last ditch attempt to keep Paul, and not wanting to screw it up. They want to keep Paul, but don't trust this last and final shot at building a winning and contending roster to be in Larry's hands.
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    Did anyone ever think that maybe firing Larry was a move to KEEP Paul? Maybe Larry's bad roster moves finally wore on Paul. Maybe Paul didn't demand Larry getting fired, but hinted at management that if a new roster constructor wasn't brought in he would probably not re-sign?
    You're probably the 15th person in this thread to float that idea.

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    Well, while I don't agree that was the reason, it could be deeper than that.

    Maybe their really is a disconnect where Bird feels like he is handicapped. Remember the rumors when Bird left the first time that he was meeting with Orlando because Simon wouldn't spend?
    Then that would hardly be a firing, would it?
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