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    Lebron is also a top 3-5 player EVER. Grading on that scale is a pretty steep curve IMO
    The point was about how stats don't really matter that much ace. Not all stats are created equal.

    I'm not asking Paul to outplay LeBron James I am asking him to realize the enormity of the task, what it will take and do it.

    Not *****ey at the referees for obvious fouls and take yourself out of the game.

    You have a short memory ace, this has been an ongoing problem.

    I'm not blaming him for the loss just pointing out he played a big part. Lance did too. I put it all on them both and Nate.
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    Highlighting this for emphasis.


    But the dunk did it all ..........
    Dude, while that makes for a hilarious highlight, if you want single out one play that sums up Monta's 'impact' was passing up a wide-open 3 in crunch time, showing obvious hesitation, then passing it to a 21 year old center for a three attempt. Hell, Monta could've even taken two steps in for a jumper. And there were many more from which to choose.
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    Just to show how much faith I have in this team... I turned the game off after 1 minute into the 3rd quarter. You just knew with some of the great Pacer teams we've watched over the years, that they had that killer instinct. They knew how to put the clamps on.
    This team? They are a flash in the pan... for about 2 quarters.

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    Lebron is also a top 3-5 player EVER. Grading on that scale is a pretty steep curve IMO
    And I think Paul was playing better than Lebron in the first half. Then they swapped.

    We talk about Paul letting the refs get into his head - has Lebron ever had refs treat him with anything other than "Yes, Mr. James, we'll call that foul quicker next time, sir"?
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    Honestly, I think some the criticism is stemming from some people's preparation for PG to leave. It's a defense mechanism.

    I have zero issue with PG's play in this series. He's been phenomenal.
    OR it could be somebody who has coached before and knows the importance of a leader actually being a leader.

    The Pacers already went thru this with Ron & Jermaine O'Neal. Both wanted to be the guy so bad but neither were willing to actually BE that guy.

    I don't want a Paul to leave I want him to stop trying to be something he's not.
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    And I think Paul was playing better than Lebron in the first half. Then they swapped.

    We talk about Paul letting the refs get into his head - has Lebron ever had refs treat him with anything other than "Yes, Mr. James, we'll call that foul quicker next time, sir"?
    I really wish that players didn't ***** about the officiating all the time. But that's today's NBA. Almost everybody does it. And you know what? A lot of times, it's completely justified. NBA officiating sucks, and it's not getting any better.
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    Dude, while that makes for a hilarious highlight, if you want single out one play that sums up Monta's 'impact' was passing up a wide-open 3 in crunch time, showing obvious hesitation, then passing it to a 21 year old center for a three attempt. Hell, Monta could've even taken two steps in for a jumper. And there were many more from which to choose.
    Actually that was the right play to make, Turner was wide open and he is a good shooter, of course he has been trash this series so who knows.
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    OR it could be somebody who has coached before and knows the importance of a leader actually being a leader.

    The Pacers already went thru this with Ron & Jermaine O'Neal. Both wanted to be the guy so bad but neither were willing to actually BE that guy.
    So then, what does it take to be "the guy?" If he defers too much to his teammates, he's passive and not good enough to lead his team to victory. If he plays hero ball, he's selfish and not a leader. It's the ultimate Catch-22.
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    And I think Paul was playing better than Lebron in the first half. Then they swapped.

    We talk about Paul letting the refs get into his head - has Lebron ever had refs treat him with anything other than "Yes, Mr. James, we'll call that foul quicker next time, sir"?
    Lol. I swear in game 2, a ref called a foul and initially called it on the side until LeBron came over screaming at him and switched it to free throws for Lebron

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    The point was about how stats don't really matter that much ace. Not all stats are created equal.

    I'm not asking Paul to outplay LeBron James I am asking him to realize the enormity of the task, what it will take and do it.

    Not *****ey at the referees for obvious fouls and take yourself out of the game.

    You have a short memory ace, this has been an ongoing problem.

    I'm not blaming him for the loss just pointing out he played a big part. Lance did too. I put it all on them both and Nate.
    I agree that the stats dont tell the whole story, they never do. And yes Paul let the refs get to him.

    But....

    He's been going toe to toe with an all time great. Not just statistically. Paul legitimately looks like Lebrons equal at various times throughout the game.

    I just feel he did more than enough for the Pacers to have won last night. If ANYONE else would have been a difference maker, then this conversation is different. But the rest of the team either lacked the cajones (Turner, Teague, Young, Myles) or the composure (Lance) to make a play when it mattered.

    When things got tight, NOBODY wanted the ball but Paul. And he did his best. But he needed help. And nobody could gige it to him.

    I get what you're saying, I do. Paul can grow up and not cry to the refs. But If he did that, he would be pretty much perfect out there. And even then it wouldn't have been enough because the rest of the team couldn't bring it together and make a play when they needed to

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    A WIDE OPEN DUNK COUNTS AS 26 POINTS
    I'd think the resident Monta fanboi would be under his Monta bedsheet after this pathetic series.
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    Lebron is also a top 3-5 player EVER. Grading on that scale is a pretty steep curve IMO
    And Paul is hanging with him. But PAUL!!!!
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    Cleveland is like the Legion of Doom. Unfortunately, there's no Justice League to counter them.
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    Every year, Paul George shows us that, no matter how much he may struggle at times in the regular season, he's always going to bring it in the playoffs.

    You know who else sometimes played subpar in the regular season, but always elevated his play in the postseason? REGGIE FREAKING MILLER.
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    Im exhausted from sobbing all night
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    Where does this rank among most deflating games of all time?
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    I'd think the resident Monta fanboi would be under his Monta bedsheet after this pathetic series.
    LOL he wasn't even there when the collapse started, try again.
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    So then, what does it take to be "the guy?" If he defers too much to his teammates, he's passive and not good enough to lead his team to victory. If he plays hero ball, he's selfish and not a leader. It's the ultimate Catch-22.
    He needs to gather the team, and emphasize the plan, over and over again, until it is drilled into their heads.

    He has to recognize those moments when we are wandering off the plan and refocus the team.

    He has to realize that what this team really needs is his defensive ability and he is the only guy we have who can athletically hang with these guys. We need less points and assists from Paul and more deflection and steals. This happened with Danny Granger early in his career too. He got a taste of being a big time scorer and liked it a lot. So he stopped being the great all around player. I didn't notice Paul as an asset on defense in that second half at all and he's too good to not impact the game on that end.

    He needs to understand that the team, and the crowd are gonna follow his lead. If he's confident and composed, they will be too. But if he is emotionally out of it, so is everyone else.

    The saddest thing I saw last night was the Cavs at the FT line in a 1 possession game and the place was a library. The entire building was deflated. The fans had given up, I have never seen that before in a close, Pacers playoff game like that. We still had a chance at the time.

    What I am talking about has nothing to do with his production, he is more important than that.

    Again I'm not absolving anyone else at all. But when the company fails it is most likely the highest paid employees fault because he is paid more money to do a job, win basketball games.

    Do I agree we might not get another talent like him? Absolutely.

    Do I agree that he has been very very good over the last 2 months? Absolutely.

    Do I think he can carry Reggie Miller's jockstrap? No.

    Because Reggie understood all of this. And he gave us that for 18 years.
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    Where does this rank among most deflating games of all time?
    Interesting question

    I am older now so I tend to take things more in stride. But this loss would not rank in the top 5, maybe not even top ten. This pacers team wasn't going anywhere anyway - wasn't going to win this series. But in 1994, 1995, 1998, 1999, 2000 there were losses that ended a season where we had a chance to win the championship.

    LJ's 4 point play - by far was the hardest loss ever for me
    Game 4 of the NBA finals against the Lakers.
    Game 6 at NY to end the season in 1999.
    Game 7 against the magic in 1995 that ended the season.
    game 7 1998 against the Bulls - we had a chance to end the Bulls run.


    that is just 5 games from the mid to late 90's.

    How about game 1 against the pistons in 2004 when Reggie's layup was blocked
    Some of the losses against the heat in 2013 and 2014.

    No, last night doesn't even register with me

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    I can't believe they blew a 26 point lead. What happened? I only watched the 4th qtr
    I'm so, so sorry.

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    Pacers need to follow the Cavs GM lead and get Paul George some shooters out there. Every time, he drives the whole defense collapses, yet Pacers don't have anyone out there to consistently make them pay. No, a streaky CJ Miles doesn't count.

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    Interesting question

    I am older now so I tend to take things more in stride. But this loss would not rank in the top 5, maybe not even top ten. This pacers team wasn't going anywhere anyway - wasn't going to win this series. But in 1994, 1995, 1998, 1999, 2000 there were losses that ended a season where we had a chance to win the championship.

    LJ's 4 point play - by far was the hardest loss ever for me
    Game 4 of the NBA finals against the Lakers.
    Game 6 at NY to end the season in 1999.
    Game 7 against the magic in 1995 that ended the season.
    game 7 1998 against the Bulls - we had a chance to end the Bulls run.


    that is just 5 games from the mid to late 90's.

    How about game 1 against the pistons in 2004 when Reggie's layup was blocked
    Some of the losses against the heat in 2013 and 2014.

    No, last night doesn't even register with me
    Yep. Had this happened with some of those past teams, it would have been devastating. With this team, it's mostly just embarassing.
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    Pacers need to follow the Cavs GM lead and get Paul George some shooters out there. Every time, he drives the whole defense collapses, yet Pacers don't have anyone out there to consistently make them pay. No, a streaky CJ Miles doesn't count.
    This is why I wanted Devin Booker in the draft.
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    This is why I wanted Devin Booker in the draft.
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    This is why I wanted Devin Booker in the draft.
    Makes sense.

    I mean the Cavs have Jefferson, Love, Korver, Love, Frye, and Smith.

    We have Teague and Miles? Once the magic wore off in the first half, CJ Miles returned to being streaky, Lance realized his non-shooting form, and Teague was inexplicably buried on the bench.

    The lineup of Lance and Ellis should never be on the court simultaneously in the same backcourt!

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