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    Default How much would Solo have helped us against the Cavs?

    Any difference at all?

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    As much as Mahinmi

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    As much as Mahinmi
    So not at all because of injury.

    Solo could help defensively, but if he isn't in shape or hitting his shot (he hasn't been) he is useless. Can't play a guy you don't have to guard.

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    Well, he did show up in the playoffs last year. And that's something I put a lot of value on. Let's assume his three point shot is working. Does he help the Pacers?
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    We could use his toughness and aggressiveness.

    Compare this current Pacers playoff team to the one last year. We are minus George Hill, Mahinmi, and Solo and the players who replaced each are a lot less physical and that has changed the team.

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    If Solo played like he did in last year's playoffs, he might help. But his D is overrated and he might just be a foul magnet for LeBron to abuse. And ones are probably the result. And let's not put him on Kevin Love either.

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    Default Re: How much would Solo have helped us against the Cavs?

    There's no question he would help.

    He is a better defender and 3 point shooter than Ellis. He could respectably guard the 2, 3 and small ball 4.

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    We could use his toughness and aggressiveness.

    Compare this current Pacers playoff team to the one last year. We are minus George Hill, Mahinmi, and Solo and the players who replaced each are a lot less physical and that has changed the team.
    Last year's team would have been slaughtered by the Cavs. This year's team could have hung with Toronto. That's the main difference.

    (We have no one to blame but ourselves though for playing Cleveland after having such a crappy season which put us in a low seed situation).

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    We could use his toughness and aggressiveness.

    Compare this current Pacers playoff team to the one last year. We are minus George Hill, Mahinmi, and Solo and the players who replaced each are a lot less physical and that has changed the team.
    I knew it would be a problem but not this big. I thought maybe the offensive gain would offset that but that has not been the case.
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    Last year's team would have been slaughtered by the Cavs. This year's team could have hung with Toronto. That's the main difference.

    (We have no one to blame but ourselves though for playing Cleveland after having such a crappy season which put us in a low seed situation).
    How do you figure? Last years team was much better defensively.

    This idea that last years team was so inferior to this years team is silly imo

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    Default Re: How much would Solo have helped us against the Cavs?

    Certainly would've helped in Game 1 over Brooks, but seems like he's less athletic but maybe a better defender and shooter than GRIII?

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    Certainly would've helped in Game 1 over Brooks, but seems like he's less athletic but maybe a better defender and shooter than GRIII?
    Better defender? Maybe. But GRIII is a much better shooter. Close to 40% from 3. Solo is under 35% from 3.

    Solo is 3rd string guy on a contender. Maybe a 9-10 guy. Nothing more.

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    Certainly would've helped in Game 1 over Brooks, but seems like he's less athletic but maybe a better defender and shooter than GRIII?
    That maybe the bigger question. Can a healthy GRIII help over the cavs?

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    How do you figure? Last years team was much better defensively.

    This idea that last years team was so inferior to this years team is silly imo
    Yes, Ian, GHill and to a lesser extent Solo helped on D. Yes Solo is a better defensive player than CJ Miles and Rodney Stuckey.

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    Default Re: How much would Solo have helped us against the Cavs?

    I remember late in the regular season last year he shut down Love.

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    Pacers would be up 3-0 for sure.
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    How do you figure? Last years team was much better defensively.

    This idea that last years team was so inferior to this years team is silly imo
    Cause this was the way it was suppose to be offensively:
    Teague>>>G.Hill
    This year's healthy Ellis>last year's injuried Ellis
    PG=PG
    Thad>>>>>>Allen
    Turner>Ian

    This year's team was suppose to score so many more points than last years. And Burke was suppose to keep the team relevant on the defensive end. Plus the bench was suppose to be better on the offensive end.
    Yes, Teague was an improvement on the offensive end over G.Hill but not enough to cover the lack of defense.
    Ellis was probably better last year.
    Thad was an improvement over Allen.
    Turner hasn't been an improvement of the offensive end and is a drop off from Ian.

    Now look at the bench. Stuckey held the bench together last year. We were winning when Stuckey played. This year, awful. CJ is CJ, though I think he has played better this year. GRIII is probably a drop off from Solo. Brooks is a slight improvement over Lawson. Allen off the bench is a slight improvement over J.Hill. Al Jeff is an improvement over Turner(last year off the bench) but on the other end, way worse.

    So it can be said that this year's team is an improvement over last years team on paper on the offensive end. The bench should have been an overall improvement and it was huge in some games but many looked as poor as last year (mainly due to Stuckey being awful this year)
    The defense didn't stay somewhat relevant this year and the offense didn't improve as much as we (and mainly Bird) thought.

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    Cause this was the way it was suppose to be offensively:
    Teague>>>G.Hill
    This year's healthy Ellis>last year's injuried Ellis
    PG=PG
    Thad>>>>>>Allen
    Turner>Ian

    This year's team was suppose to score so many more points than last years. And Burke was suppose to keep the team relevant on the defensive end. Plus the bench was suppose to be better on the offensive end.
    Yes, Teague was an improvement on the offensive end over G.Hill but not enough to cover the lack of defense.
    Ellis was probably better last year.
    Thad was an improvement over Allen.
    Turner hasn't been an improvement of the offensive end and is a drop off from Ian.

    Now look at the bench. Stuckey held the bench together last year. We were winning when Stuckey played. This year, awful. CJ is CJ, though I think he has played better this year. GRIII is probably a drop off from Solo. Brooks is a slight improvement over Lawson. Allen off the bench is a slight improvement over J.Hill. Al Jeff is an improvement over Turner(last year off the bench) but on the other end, way worse.

    So it can be said that this year's team is an improvement over last years team on paper on the offensive end. The bench should have been an overall improvement and it was huge in some games but many looked as poor as last year (mainly due to Stuckey being awful this year)
    The defense didn't stay somewhat relevant this year and the offense didn't improve as much as we (and mainly Bird) thought.
    The only reason we were better last year was because Ian is a true, mobile center and really helped in the paint. George Hill is a better shooter and defender than Teague and fit better next to ball hogs. That's really it.

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    Pacers would be up 3-0 for sure.
    After playing 2 games. Wow.

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    How do you figure? Last years team was much better defensively.

    This idea that last years team was so inferior to this years team is silly imo

    I didn't say last year's team was inferior to this year's team, I said:

    Last year's team would have been waxed by Cleveland: well obviously that's true lol. Thinking they could have given Cleveland a series is just as delusional as expecting the Pacers to give Cleveland a series this year.

    This year's team could have done just as good against Toronto as last year's. I don't see why not given how PG is playing. That's maybe debatable, but the Cleveland thing certainly isn't.

    A lot of it is who you play. Lebron isn't losing to the Pacers in the first round regardless of whether they have Hill/Vogel or Teague/Nate.
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    I didn't say last year's team was inferior to this year's team, I said:

    Last year's team would have been waxed by Cleveland: well obviously, lol.

    This year's team could have done just as good against Toronto as last year's. I don't see why not given how PG is playing. That's maybe debatable, but the Cleveland thing certainly isn't.

    A lot of it is who you play. Lebron isn't losing to the Pacers in the first round regardless of whether they have Hill/Vogel or Teague/Nate.
    This is so true. We stomped Toronto not long ago. We cannot seem to win a game against Cleveland. There is no doubt in my mind we would play Toronto pretty tough. Heck, didn't Cleveland steam roll Toronto last year? It went 6 but when Cleveland wanted they just wiped them out.

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    This is so true. We stomped Toronto not long ago. We cannot seem to win a game against Cleveland. There is no doubt in my mind we would play Toronto pretty tough. Heck, didn't Cleveland steam roll Toronto last year? It went 6 but when Cleveland wanted they just wiped them out.
    Differences from last year:

    Vogel/Nate.....Teague/Hill.....Solomon Hill (lol)

    Oh wait, another big difference just popped into my head:

    Lebron James and Kyrie Irving (we have no one to blame but ourselves for this though)
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    I didn't say last year's team was inferior to this year's team, I said:

    Last year's team would have been waxed by Cleveland: well obviously that's true lol. Thinking they could have given Cleveland a series is just as delusional as expecting the Pacers to give Cleveland a series this year.

    This year's team could have done just as good against Toronto as last year's. I don't see why not given how PG is playing. That's maybe debatable, but the Cleveland thing certainly isn't.

    A lot of it is who you play. Lebron isn't losing to the Pacers in the first round regardless of whether they have Hill/Vogel or Teague/Nate.
    I took what you said incorrectly.

    Of course this years team could have beaten the Raptors last season. The pacers were close to pulling it off themselves.

    The way your post was worded made me think that you thought last seasons team would be slight work for the Cavs this year.

    Obviously neither team is beating Lebron.

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    After playing 2 games. Wow.
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    Default Re: How much would Solo have helped us against the Cavs?

    It would've been interesting if Solo could've handled Love as a stretch 4 on the low block (certainly much better than Lance I'm assuming), but if nothing else he could at least hold his own on switches against LeBron and Irving. There's no questioning that not picking up his option was a mistake. We could've used him as a stretch 4 spot up shooter with reliable defense.

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