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    I like Cowherd, I really do. His "(Insert Star Player) is going to the Lakers" predictions are quite pathetic in terms of accuracy. 0% if you were wondering.

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    So we're now going to twist Paul's calling out some teammates to Paul is setting the stage to leave. We already knew he wanted a better team so he'd have a shot at competing and I think he deserves that. I wouldn't care if all of these guys were gone next year as long as we still have Paul George. I hope he gets more demanding and I don't care if he does in front of the media or not. Jordan was an a-hole of a teammate in many ways but he pushed his fellow players.
    I fully expect that if the best Larry has to offer Paul as a teammate is Lance Stephenson then he will leave but I don't think Paul calling people out is any indication of that.
    Larry Bird qouted March 25th. 2015:

    Bird: I wanted to keep our group together because in the summer, if David and Roy opt out, we're back to zero, really. We don't have that much, so you leave your options open. If we did make a trade, I didn't want to take on a lot of contracts -- because that's what usually happens. Plus, I liked my guys. They're playing well. If we keep the core together and Paul comes back healthy, we'll be right back to where we were.

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    So we're now going to twist Paul's calling out some teammates to Paul is setting the stage to leave. We already knew he wanted a better team so he'd have a shot at competing and I think he deserves that. I wouldn't care if all of these guys were gone next year as long as we still have Paul George. I hope he gets more demanding and I don't care if he does in front of the media or not. Jordan was an a-hole of a teammate in many ways but he pushed his fellow players.
    I fully expect that if the best Larry has to offer Paul as a teammate is Lance Stephenson then he will leave but I don't think Paul calling people out is any indication of that.
    Jordan pushed them during practice though, and trusted his teammates. Never heard him *****ing about Paxon or Kerr taking the final shot after he passed them the ball.


    Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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    What I wouldn't give for one 3-pt specialist who shot as well as Paxson or Kerr. But the Cavs have most of them. All of them in this series.
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    Jordan pushed them during practice though, and trusted his teammates. Never heard him *****ing about Paxon or Kerr taking the final shot after he passed them the ball.
    Because they made the shots?

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    It's really simple. Paul should exercise a little more discretion in the press and Bird should really figure out how to put more talent around Paul.
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    Because they made the shots?

    That's revisionist history.

    They missed some too...they wasn't shooting 💯. Robert Horry is probably the most "clutch" shooter who rightfully earned his nickname "Big Shot Bob".


    Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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    Jordan pushed them during practice though, and trusted his teammates. Never heard him *****ing about Paxon or Kerr taking the final shot after he passed them the ball.
    You've spelled "punched" wrong.

    MJ fought Kerr in practice, threw overtly difficult passes to Bill Cartwright to highlight his bad hands to get him to play less and told teammates if they passed to Bill they wouldn't see the ball from him. And he wouldn't even talk to Scottie for long periods of time.

    We're talking about that MJ, right?
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    In most cases, Kerr, Horry, etc. were wide open and just had to take a spot up jumper. CJ had to shot fake, re-set his feet, and then shoot a fadeaway mid-range jumper. It's not close to being the same.

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    It's really simple. Paul should exercise a little more discretion in the press and Bird should really figure out how to put more talent around Paul.
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    In most cases, Kerr, Horry, etc. were wide open and just had to take a spot up jumper. CJ had to shot fake, re-set his feet, and then shoot a fadeaway mid-range jumper. It's not close to being the same.
    But that would mean PG isn't trying to destroy the locker room​

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    You've spelled "punched" wrong.

    MJ fought Kerr in practice, threw overtly difficult passes to Bill Cartwright to highlight his bad hands to get him to play less and told teammates if they passed to Bill they wouldn't see the ball from him. And he wouldn't even talk to Scottie for long periods of time.

    We're talking about that MJ, right?
    And when was all this found out? During the actual playoffs, or in some tell all book decades later? If that was Paul George, we would know the next day, because he would tell the media. Hence, it goes back to my point, Paul George needs to chill on some of his comments.

    For whatever reason, you think being a leader means being outspoken and brutally honest about your team's performance to the media. Paul George can give bs to the media, and be brutally honest behind closed doors if he wants his team to stay focused on the playoffs.


    Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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    Should have giving it to Kobe, Malone or any other star instead ...


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    Manu or Duncan should have been waiving their arms instead


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    The Pacers have been a horrible road team and they were a play or two away from winning each game. We now play 3 in a row at home, where we are a legit "good" team. I see reason for optimism, tbh.
    We're in the 2-2-1-1-1 format. Game 5 isn't in Indy.

    So, the best we can do at home now (BEFORE playing back in Cleveland) is even it at 2 and make it a best of 3 series without home court advantage.

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    What is big baby doing? just give it back to Paul Pierce damn it .........


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    The Fast Rebuild Option

    I will start a thread about this if and when we get eliminated from the playoffs, and if Paul George continues his questionable post-game leadership tactics, that highly suggest he will leave unless Bird can work miracles this summer...

    Say Lakers get the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd pick...who says no to a trade sending PG to LA, in return for Fultz/Jackson/Ball (I'm not crazy on Ball because, he too, just wants to play for LA) + Brandon Ingram or D'Angelo Russell. If we can and want to pick Fultz, we ask for Ingram; if Josh Jackson, we ask for D'Angelo Russell. I'm not crazy about Ingram (although, after looking at his splits, he improved every month and had a very respectable run throughout March), and would prefer the 2nd option, but am higher on Fultz than Jackson, so either would be a nice scenario for us. Either way, we have three young, high-ceiling players (Fultz+Ingram+Turner OR Russell+Jackson+Turner) to be positive about in a post-PG future for our team.

    I know people might get snappy at me for bringing this up so early in the series, and I typically don't like to overreact to things like this, but this idea popped in my head and this seemed like the best place to share it. Based on how great Paul has been playing, I think the Lakers do this trade. I'm all on-board about being positive about what we can do in Indy the next 2 games, and that can change PG's tune entirely, but it sounds like he is throwing everyone under the bus. I wouldn't have a problem with his comments post-game if he was actually an aggressive and vocal leader on the floor when it mattered.

    I know this isn't a revelation, and that this has been discussed prior to the trade deadline, but PGs comments freshen this idea, and it frankly gives me a bit more peace and hope keeping a trade like this in mind. Also, PGs stellar play the last couple of months makes it much more feasible that we could ask for someone like Russell in addition to the 1-3 pick, which is a leverage I wasn't so convinced about in February. The draft lottery will be a thrilling watch for us.
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    The Fast Rebuild Option

    I will start a thread about this if and when we get eliminated from the playoffs, and if Paul George continues his questionable post-game leadership tactics, that highly suggest he will leave unless Bird can work miracles this summer...

    Say Lakers get the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd pick...who says no to a trade sending PG to LA, in return for Fultz/Jackson/Ball (I'm not crazy on Ball because, he too, just wants to play for LA) + Brandon Ingram or D'Angelo Russell. If we can and want to pick Fultz, we ask for Ingram; if Josh Jackson, we ask for D'Angelo Russell. I'm not crazy about Ingram, and would prefer the 2nd option, but am higher on Fultz than Jackson, so either would be a nice scenario for us. Either way, we have three young, high-ceiling players (Fultz+Ingram+Turner OR Russell+Jackson+Turner) to be positive about in a post-PG future for our team.

    I know people might get snappy at me for bringing this up so early in the series, and I typically don't like to overreact to things like this, but this idea popped in my head and this seemed like the best place to share it. Based on how great Paul has been playing, I think the Lakers do this trade. I'm all on-board about being positive about what we can do in Indy the next 2 games, and that can change PG's tune entirely, but it sounds like he is throwing everyone under the bus after losses. I wouldn't have a problem with his comments post-game if he was actually an aggressive and vocal leader on the floor when it mattered.
    Really the only guy I can see that won't try to pry his way out of Indiana out of those three would be Fultz so he'd be my pick.

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    The Fast Rebuild Option

    I will start a thread about this if and when we get eliminated from the playoffs, and if Paul George continues his questionable post-game leadership tactics, that highly suggest he will leave unless Bird can work miracles this summer...

    Say Lakers get the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd pick...who says no to a trade sending PG to LA, in return for Fultz/Jackson/Ball (I'm not crazy on Ball because, he too, just wants to play for LA) + Brandon Ingram or D'Angelo Russell. If we can and want to pick Fultz, we ask for Ingram; if Josh Jackson, we ask for D'Angelo Russell. I'm not crazy about Ingram (although, after looking at his splits, he improved every month and had a very respectable run throughout March), and would prefer the 2nd option, but am higher on Fultz than Jackson, so either would be a nice scenario for us. Either way, we have three young, high-ceiling players (Fultz+Ingram+Turner OR Russell+Jackson+Turner) to be positive about in a post-PG future for our team.

    I know people might get snappy at me for bringing this up so early in the series, and I typically don't like to overreact to things like this, but this idea popped in my head and this seemed like the best place to share it. Based on how great Paul has been playing, I think the Lakers do this trade. I'm all on-board about being positive about what we can do in Indy the next 2 games, and that can change PG's tune entirely, but it sounds like he is throwing everyone under the bus. I wouldn't have a problem with his comments post-game if he was actually an aggressive and vocal leader on the floor when it mattered.

    I know this isn't a revelation, and that this has been discussed prior to the trade deadline, but PGs comments freshen this idea, and it frankly gives me a bit more peace and hope keeping a trade like this in mind. Also, PGs stellar play the last couple of months makes it much more feasible that we could ask for someone like Russell in addition to the 1-3 pick, which is a leverage I wasn't so convinced about in February. The draft lottery will be a thrilling watch for us.

    Rather trade with Boston. Get Fultz (let Teague go), get Zeller (filler), Brown (young) and a late pick (or Nader as a back-up point). Draft a SG with our pick. I'm guessing Hans is going to replace LaVoy.
    So starting unit: Fultz, Lance, Brown, Thad, Turner
    Bench: Monta, Pick, GRIII, Hans, Zeller/Seraphin

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    What is big baby doing? just give it back to Paul Pierce damn it .........



    OK I think we get it. Most of us have followed the NBA and the Pacers closely for many years and no one ever suggested that only the best player on a given team should take the last shot. So I am not sure who you are directing these posts to, but we get it. You are making a point that is already agreed to

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    What is big baby doing? just give it back to Paul Pierce damn it .........


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    And when was all this found out? During the actual playoffs, or in some tell all book decades later? If that was Paul George, we would know the next day, because he would tell the media. Hence, it goes back to my point, Paul George needs to chill on some of his comments.

    For whatever reason, you think being a leader means being outspoken and brutally honest about your team's performance to the media. Paul George can give bs to the media, and be brutally honest behind closed doors if he wants his team to stay focused on the playoffs.
    Lol so the public finding out would be more detrimental to the lockerroom than the actual things that happened......

    And nah I don't think any of that. I'm saying you have no clue how it impacted the lockerroom​ if it did at all.
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    It's really simple. Paul should exercise a little more discretion in the press and Bird should really figure out how to put more talent around Paul.
    Yeah....easier said than done.
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    OK I think we get it. Most of us have followed the NBA and the Pacers closely for many years and no one ever suggested that only the best player on a given team should take the last shot. So I am not sure who you are directing these posts to, but we get it. You are making a point that is already agreed to
    Not to mention that most of us watched Byron hit the big shot against Orlando that forever changed the franchise. Yes we really understand the star player does not always have to take the shot. (of course if you listen to Byron he was a massive star)

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