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    Default Let's try to figure out the enigma known as Lance.

    A lot of people have been saying they don’t really understand the Lance effect, they are just going with it. They say they have quit trying to figure it out.

    I am going to attempt to explain it to some degree.

    Lance is an artist. A fragile, temperamental, but sometimes great artist.

    He is a performing artist. When the bright lights shine, he shines the brightest.

    Take as an example, J.R.R. Tolkien, famous author of the Lord of the Rings. (I wrote a screenplay about Tolkien and his close friendship with C.S. Lewis, with whom he had a falling out later in life.) Tolkien was a bit shy, not very charismatic, eccentric, mumbled a bit, and talked out of the sides of his mouth. He was not a good lecturer. He rambled.

    But he took on another persona as an actor. He came alive. He was an actor in high school. His dissertation was on Beowulf, and sometimes during his later lectures he would switch modes and begin reciting from memory passages of Beowulf, pretending to be the ancient writer and even the warrior himself. When he did so, he totally changed character. He became loud, direct, excited, passionate, charismatic. He would bring the otherwise bored audience to their feet in applause.

    Then he would go back to his regular self, shy and diminutive.

    Lance is strange. He isn’t very well spoken. He doesn’t approach the game analytically. But his artist traits do come out. He is known amongst his colleagues as a funny guy who does imitations (a right brained thing). He did that hysterical video for the All-Star game that just came totally out of left field. He is a performer.

    PG made a comment that the other teams didn’t take enough time to get to know Lance. And if Lance doesn’t have that supportive environment and enough time to flourish (like those first several budding years in Indy), then he can’t come alive as an artist.

    When he does, he takes over. Nothing is analytical. It is complete gestalt, right brain, irrational unconscious artistry. He sees all sorts of things on the floor no one else sees. He invents moves right on the spot. He reads other players (just like the imitations), he discerns the atmosphere of the facility, he gauges the temperament of the crowd. He doesn’t have any idea how he does it. He just does it. It’s a gift. It can’t be taught, and he can’t teach anyone else to do it.

    He shines as a performer. A basketball player is a performer, so playing in front of a big crowd causes him to rise to the occasion. Now, in some situations, that hasn’t been enough. He’s failed. But when he has the freedom, the crowd is large (like playoffs against Lebron) and the lights are shining bright, he basks in the moment, and this is when he is at his best.

    He knows how to work a crowd as well as any player I’ve ever seen (he and Reggie have a lot in common here). He knows how to rile up the opponents. He knows how to create a script and finish the storyline with a climax.

    But, in the wrong environment, he can fall on his face. And he often does.

    There is someone else that has similar qualities. Larry Bird. Bird was a showman. He could throw that spectacular pass, make that incredible shot, steal the ball or do some other heroic thing in the last seconds of a game that stole the show. He sees this same quality in Lance.

    Like any great artist, Lance can’t be quantified. And maybe this is why there seems to be a bit of a correlation between the Lance skeptics and the integer types on the forum. Lance is about eyeballs and intuition. Measuring him with stats only makes him more confusing.

    Lance is a step ahead of the game, just like he’s a step ahead with his passes that teammates often can’t handle. He knows, ultimately, that all this stuff done around NBA events is about the big moment, the spectacle, the memories. When we look back at the great Pacer moments of the past 25 years, what do we remember? Reggie giving the choke gesture to Spike or screaming at the Knicks bench after making 8 points in 9 seconds. There’s Bird’s deadpan stare after Reggie hit the big shot against the Bulls. There's Granger breaking his teeth going after a loose ball. These great moments are about showmanship as much as basketball. That's the ultimate activity, and the great performance artists know it.

    Lance is weird. Lance is unpredictable. Lance is bad. And Lance can be great when the bright lights pop on.
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    He invents moves right on the spot.


    As much as I like Lance, don't think I can ever stop
    laughing at this most creative flop.


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    Default Re: Let's try to figure out the enigma known as Lance.

    It's impossible to follow your post so I'm not going to try...but I may add to it.

    Yes, he's a performer and not just basketball. The Instagram of him in the Raptor jersey is yet another example. He loves the attention and to entertain. He flourishes under the bright lights. The brighter they are, the higher his energy level. There is no doubt this is why his team mates and the fans get amped up about him.

    Now, he still has to play the game. The presence. The energy. The creativity. The confidence. The passion. All of that will be there but he still has to play the game.

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    He knows how to work a crowd as well as any player I’ve ever seen
    Interesting perspective; I'm inclined to agree! Sort of a "flow" state (psychology).

    And as much as I (obviously) love Tolkien, I was reminded of a famous line from another work.



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    This is my new favorite post on PD of all time.

    Bravo, McKeyFan!

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    Default Re: Let's try to figure out the enigma known as Lance.

    I'm kind of surprised psychology isn't discussed more in the NBA. It probably is more throughout the front offices but listing a players MBTI type (or similar personality grade) for the public would open up a whole new genre for serious NBA fans so we can all see how certain players or teams fit with each other.

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    It's impossible to follow your post so I'm not going to try...but I may add to it.

    Yes, he's a performer and not just basketball. The Instagram of him in the Raptor jersey is yet another example. He loves the attention and to entertain. He flourishes under the bright lights. The brighter they are, the higher his energy level. There is no doubt this is why his team mates and the fans get amped up about him.

    Now, he still has to play the game. The presence. The energy. The creativity. The confidence. The passion. All of that will be there but he still has to play the game.

    Does it even matter to you that photo was from June last yr?
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    PG and Lance share a unique bond. This kind of kinship and camaraderie is extremely rare in this league but it makes sense when you consider they came into the league together, from the draft to their first Summer League all the way to the ECFs (2x).

    Lance is lightning and Paul George + Larry Bird is the bottle needed to contain and harvest it. lol.
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    Default Re: Let's try to figure out the enigma known as Lance.

    I'm not gonna lie, when I first saw this before clicking on it, I thought, oh great, do we really need another Lance thread? But after reading your post, McKeyFan, I must say, I throughly enjoyed it!

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    Like any great artist, Lance can’t be quantified. And maybe this is why there seems to be a bit of a correlation between the Lance skeptics and the integer types on the forum. Lance is about eyeballs and intuition. Measuring him with stats only makes him more confusing.
    I don't think that this is correct. As one of the integer types on the forum I've never been a Lance skeptic.
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    Default Re: Let's try to figure out the enigma known as Lance.

    Brilliant post man.... I can totally dig it. Love the Tolkien comparison too!

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    I don't think that this is correct. As one of the integer types on the forum I've never been a Lance skeptic.
    My eyeballs say you are not really the integer type.
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    Default Re: Let's try to figure out the enigma known as Lance.

    You nailed it. What this team has lacked all year, Lance brings, as strange as that is.
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    Default Re: Let's try to figure out the enigma known as Lance.

    I think Lance is very different than what we see in tv interviews.



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    I figured it out!
    Lance has Narya!
    (Gandalf's ring... that had the power to dispel feelings of despair, and encourage great effort through hope).
    Last edited by solid; 04-10-2017 at 03:08 PM.

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    Default Re: Let's try to figure out the enigma known as Lance.

    He's got Seraphin playing. Great they are friends.

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    He's got Seraphin playing. Great they are friends.
    Good chemistry those two have. Hopefully we've seen the last of Al Jeff.

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