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    Default Re: Lowe: Player Options on Miles/Monta/Stuckey Aren't Real Player Options

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    According to Lowe, Stuckey literally has to be cut from the roster prior to the playoffs.
    I'm not sure about how accurate any of this is but if that's the case we just need to do it, it's not like we're going anywhere this year and Stuckey will most likely be injured anyway.
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    Default Re: Lowe: Player Options on Miles/Monta/Stuckey Aren't Real Player Options

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    I'm not sure about how accurate any of this is but if that's the case we just need to do it, it's not like we're going anywhere this year and Stuckey will most likely be injured anyway.
    Your comment hurt Stuckey's feelings.

    He'll be day-to-day for the next 3 weeks.

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    Default Re: Lowe: Player Options on Miles/Monta/Stuckey Aren't Real Player Options

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    i hope i'm missing a joke here

    Something Grimp might think up.

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    Default Re: Lowe: Player Options on Miles/Monta/Stuckey Aren't Real Player Options

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    So, imagine this scenario:

    It's clear that they need an interior banger, and someone to bring back the "toughness" identity that Paul and fans are looking for.

    So, they cut Stuckey before the end of the season, and add Hansbrough. Smashmouth part deux.
    Hansbrough is where he belongs, out of the NBA

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    CJ Miles at 4.5m is a steal at this point. He'll hit free agency and make much more than that with us or with someone else.

    Stuckey I'm not sure about. In today's market are we sure a team doesn't want him at 7m? If a team does it just takes a trade for a 2nd rounder. I don't think the contract is that bad, but I do think the fit is bad with us since we have Monta off the bench, and it definitely would be nice to have 7m more to offer Millsap or someone like that.

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    Default Re: Lowe: Player Options on Miles/Monta/Stuckey Aren't Real Player Options

    If we cut Stuckey by the end of the season and sign someone to replace him, would the new guy still be eligible for the playoffs? I guess what I am trying to ask is there are deadline date to have players eligible for the playoffs?

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    If we cut Stuckey by the end of the season and sign someone to replace him, would the new guy still be eligible for the playoffs? I guess what I am trying to ask is there are deadline date to have players eligible for the playoffs?
    They are eligible as long as they weren't on a team past the cut off. Cavs signed Danthay Jones right before the last game of the regular season. Maybe they have to be signed during the regular season.

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    Default Re: Lowe: Player Options on Miles/Monta/Stuckey Aren't Real Player Options

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    CJ Miles at 4.5m is a steal at this point. He'll hit free agency and make much more than that with us or with someone else.

    Stuckey I'm not sure about. In today's market are we sure a team doesn't want him at 7m? If a team does it just takes a trade for a 2nd rounder. I don't think the contract is that bad, but I do think the fit is bad with us since we have Monta off the bench, and it definitely would be nice to have 7m more to offer Millsap or someone like that.
    Lowe made the comment that some believe 7 mil for Stuckey is market and that there is a chance Stuckey will opt out anyways to go for a 3 year 21 mil. Not sure if its legal or not, but maybe Stuckey's agent has already informed the Pacers he'll opt out. If that's the case, I'd ride him for the rest of the season. If not, cut him and bring in someone.

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    i hope i'm missing a joke here
    It's a Grimp joke.
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    Sorry, by season's end.
    Does this mean that we'd have to cut them during the regular season ( as in, before the last game of the regular season ) in April 2017?

    or

    Can it happen after we are bounced from the Playoffs ( or win the championship ) when we head into the offseason in the beginning of June 2017?
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    Does this mean that we'd have to cut them during the regular season ( as in, before the last game of the regular season )?

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    Can it happen after we are bounced from the Playoffs ( or win the championship ) when we head into the offseason?
    Before playoffs per Lowe

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    If it's true about Stuckey that is a game changer for us in free agency. An additional 7 mil would be huge if we can convince Teague to wait on us before giving him the contract he wants. That's still a huge risk of coming up empty handed tough.
    I have no problem cutting Stuckey if it frees up Cap Space going into next season.

    It sucks from a Player/Team relationship....but we need as much Cap space as possible going into next season to improve the roster. I will live with GRIII and Monta getting more minutes in a shortened lineup ( which will happen in the Playoffs anyway ).
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    Default Re: Lowe: Player Options on Miles/Monta/Stuckey Aren't Real Player Options

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    So, imagine this scenario:

    It's clear that they need an interior banger, and someone to bring back the "toughness" identity that Paul and fans are looking for.

    So, they cut Stuckey before the end of the season, and add Hansbrough. Smashmouth part deux.
    Not suggesting anything....was watching a Mad Ants game with Hansbrough. It turns out that he added a 3pt shot to his offensive arsenal.
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    Default Re: Lowe: Player Options on Miles/Monta/Stuckey Aren't Real Player Options

    I have enjoyed Stuckey's play for the Pacers. I think he's brought hustle and professionalism to the floor when healthy.

    But if cutting him before the playoffs saves that money and eliminates the chance he might opt in, and enables us to offer $7mil more to a prime free agent... let me grab my scissors. Cut him!

    I doubt he'll be missed much in the playoffs, if at all, and I'm not expecting a Finals berth. If we get to the point where we say "man, Stuckey could've won us that championship," the NBA might as well just close its doors!
    It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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    Default Re: Lowe: Player Options on Miles/Monta/Stuckey Aren't Real Player Options

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    I have enjoyed Stuckey's play for the Pacers. I think he's brought hustle and professionalism to the floor when healthy.

    But if cutting him before the playoffs saves that money and eliminates the chance he might opt in, and enables us to offer $7mil more to a prime free agent... let me grab my scissors. Cut him!

    I doubt he'll be missed much in the playoffs, if at all, and I'm not expecting a Finals berth. If we get to the point where we say "man, Stuckey could've won us that championship," the NBA might as well just close its doors!
    When's the cutoff date for Players to be added to a Playoff roster?

    If it's an inevitable move that Stuckey should be cut to clear Salary Cap for the next season....then I'd be looking to waive Stuckey before that time so that he would have the chance to join a different Playoff bound Team.
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    When's the cutoff date for Players to be added to a Playoff roster?

    If it's an inevitable move that Stuckey should be cut to clear Salary Cap for the next season....then I'd be looking to waive Stuckey before that time so that he would have the chance to join a different Playoff bound Team.
    Stuckey would have had to been cut by March 1st for him to be eligible for the playoffs with another team. Any player cut prior to that date, or that hasn't been on a team this year, is eligible for playoffs as long as they're on the playoff roster submitted to the NBA by April 14.
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    Stuckey would have had to been cut by March 1st for him to be eligible for the playoffs with another team. Any player cut prior to that date, or that hasn't been on a team this year, is eligible for playoffs as long as they're on the playoff roster submitted to the NBA by April 14.
    Do you mean April 1st or March 1st?

    If it's March 1st....then the date has passed.
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    March. If Stuckey is cut, he's ineligible for the playoffs with another team.
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    Default Re: Lowe: Player Options on Miles/Monta/Stuckey Aren't Real Player Options

    I'd be shocked if Stuckey didn't opt in, and I 100% expect CJ Miles to opt out.


    Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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    Default Re: Lowe: Player Options on Miles/Monta/Stuckey Aren't Real Player Options

    Looks like Stuckey is out through the playoffs. Makes it a no brainer to waive him and bring in someone healthy.



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    Looks like Stuckey is out through the playoffs. Makes it a no brainer to waive him and bring in someone healthy.


    I was ready to post the same thought about Stuckey. I just got the notification on my injury update on my phone.


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    Default Re: Lowe: Player Options on Miles/Monta/Stuckey Aren't Real Player Options

    If Bird doesn't waive him now, then i don't know why that clause was even in there to begin with..

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    If Bird doesn't waive him now, then i don't know why that clause was even in there to begin with..
    If any of this is true he will be cut. Hans would provide some energy off the bench at least
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    If any of this is true he will be cut. Hans would provide some energy off the bench at least
    I hope it is true but I don't take what Lowe says as the gospel, I've never seen an nba contract structured like this.
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    I hope it is true but I don't take what Lowe says as the gospel, I've never seen an nba contract structured like this.
    I think I've mentioned before on this board that front offices have ALL SORTS of nifty ways to structure contracts. You just need a front office smart enough to use those tools. If Stuckey's injury is that serious then yes, cut him. We will just be in a better position this Summer financially.

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