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    So Tim Hardaway Jr. is a RFA this Summer. With a qualifying offer of about $3 million. He's 24, athletic, has improved his shooting, and he looks to be ready for prime time. The question is though can the Hawks afford him? They're projected to have $34 mil in cap space this Summer. We're projected to have a little over $24 mil. But triggering the early termination option on CJ, and moving Al Jeff or Stuckey at the draft would bump that number up to Atlanta's figure.

    Problem is the Hawks have to sign Milsap. His NEW deal would gobble up a lot of their space. He's gonna command probably $27 mil per season this Summer. At 32 years old. Hawks couldn't afford Tim unless they move Bazemore or Howard. If I'm Larry?

    I'm on TH Jr's doorstep July 1st at midnight with a contract for 4 years, $70 million. That's a little over $17 mil per season. I think something in this ballpark would present problems for Atlanta. They'd only have until midnight July 3rd to decide whether or not to match. They'd also have until then to make any trades or renounce Milsap entirely in order to match. We'd put them in quite a predicament.

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    $18+ mil a year for Tim Hardaway JR?

    Wow....that's an easy pass.
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    $18+ mil a year for Tim Hardaway JR?

    Wow....that's an easy pass.
    I think that's market value these days for a young shooting guard. Alan Crabbe is getting that same number. Waiters might get more.

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    Tim Hardaway Jr 18 million dollars a year.

    People wonder why Danny doesn't mind drafting 5 rookies a year

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    Not sure if we'd go after a RFA ( yes, I know....we went after Copeland....but he appears to be an exception given that the Knicks couldn't match him ).
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    Problem is the Hawks have to sign Milsap. His NEW deal would gobble up a lot of their space. He's gonna command probably $27 mil per season this Summer. At 32 years old. Hawks couldn't afford Tim unless they move Bazemore or Howard. If I'm Larry?
    In that scenario, I'd rather go after Bazemore. He'll have roughly 3 years $54m remaining on his contract. Or even better if we can go after Millsap, though depending on what we do, we may not have enough for a max offer.

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    So Tim Hardaway Jr. is a RFA this Summer. With a qualifying offer of about $3 million. He's 24, athletic, has improved his shooting, and he looks to be ready for prime time. The question is though can the Hawks afford him? They're projected to have $34 mil in cap space this Summer. We're projected to have a little over $24 mil. But triggering the early termination option on CJ, and moving Al Jeff or Stuckey at the draft would bump that number up to Atlanta's figure.

    Problem is the Hawks have to sign Milsap. His NEW deal would gobble up a lot of their space. He's gonna command probably $27 mil per season this Summer. At 32 years old. Hawks couldn't afford Tim unless they move Bazemore or Howard. If I'm Larry?

    I'm on TH Jr's doorstep July 1st at midnight with a contract for 4 years, $70 million. That's a little over $17 mil per season. I think something in this ballpark would present problems for Atlanta. They'd only have until midnight July 3rd to decide whether or not to match. They'd also have until then to make any trades or renounce Milsap entirely in order to match. We'd put them in quite a predicament.
    Complete misunderstanding of CBA rules...

    You can sign your OWN free agents above salary cap so they would be able (willing is another thing) any offer to Hardaway dependless of whether they have already re-signed Millsap, holding to his cap hold or renouncing...

    Your scenario is simply out of touch with the reality of rules.

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    If Tim Hardaway Jr. is getting 18 mil what will Teague get? That makes Paul George at 30 mil sound like a bargain.
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    Your scenario is simply out of touch with the reality of rules.
    Welcome to Grimp's world - where reality is a conceptual concept.

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    Complete misunderstanding of CBA rules...

    You can sign your OWN free agents above salary cap so they would be able (willing is another thing) any offer to Hardaway dependless of whether they have already re-signed Millsap, holding to his cap hold or renouncing...

    Your scenario is simply out of touch with the reality of rules.

    I know. But I think making an offer so early and a big one would give them enough pause where they wouldn't be able to sort it out in time.

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    Hardaway is interesting, but not for $18 million per year.

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    Hardaway is interesting, but not for $18 million per year.
    Well I am trying to come up with an offer that would scare Atlanta away. That's the point of Restricted free agency.

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    Well I am trying to come up with an offer that would scare Atlanta away. That's the point of Restricted free agency.
    Well, $18 million would certainly scare Atlanta away.

    In my opinion, the point of RFA is to make an offer high enough to scare a team away, but not so high that you are greatly overpaying someone. Atlanta is paying Bazemore $16.9 million. I don't think they would go that high with Hardaway. I think $14-15 million would get the job done.

    If they want to pay Hardaway $18 million, I would try to make a deal for Bazemore and let them have Hardaway.

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    Complete misunderstanding of CBA rules...

    You can sign your OWN free agents above salary cap so they would be able (willing is another thing) any offer to Hardaway dependless of whether they have already re-signed Millsap, holding to his cap hold or renouncing...

    Your scenario is simply out of touch with the reality of rules.
    I respect Grimp's continual attempts to try to improve this Team and make it the Indiana Rockets ( basically an offensive juggernaut that has shooters and scorers from the top to the bottom of the roster that plays ZERO defense ), but this "in a nutshell" perfectly describes most of his trade proposals.
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    In that scenario, I'd rather go after Bazemore. He'll have roughly 3 years $54m remaining on his contract. Or even better if we can go after Millsap, though depending on what we do, we may not have enough for a max offer.
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    If they want to pay Hardaway $18 million, I would try to make a deal for Bazemore and let them have Hardaway.
    Yeah....Bazemore is the guy to go after.

    He may not be as much of a scorer as Hardaway is.....but he's far more versatile compared to Hardaway. He's a solid perimeter defender and IMHO a more well rounded Player.
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    Yeah....Bazemore is the guy to go after.

    He may not be as much of a scorer as Hardaway is.....but he's far more versatile compared to Hardaway. He's a solid perimeter defender and IMHO a more well rounded Player.

    Our SG has to be a flamethrower though. Not to mention Hardaway Jr. bodied a guy this season vs. Houston. He's athletic also.

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    Our SG has to be a flamethrower though.
    Timmy Jr is 89th in 3pt %. Just thought you'd like to know.

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    Yeah....Bazemore is the guy to go after.

    He may not be as much of a scorer as Hardaway is.....but he's far more versatile compared to Hardaway. He's a solid perimeter defender and IMHO a more well rounded Player.
    Bazemore's defense is pretty overrated. Hardaway Jr. is actually putting up better defensive numbers and offensive numbers than him this year. (Bazemore's numbers were pretty pedestrian last year as well)


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