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    It has nothing to do with black, white, or gray. It has everything to do with you actively making things up. You have no piece of evidence, whatsoever, for your position.

    It doesn't make the slightest bit of sense even at face value. I know it's easy to tell me my view, because it's so hard to provide even the slightest bit of sense on this made up conspiracy.
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    The era of fake news is killing us
    We come from two different sides politically, but yes. The problem isn't just fake news, the problem is that fake news now gives enough wiggle room to dismiss actual news because you don't want to listen to the truth. There's enough dust out there that anything and everything can be brought under a cloud and vilified.

    And journalists brought it all on themselves. This is when logic and reason are needed, instead of "well you never know, it's possible it's wrong, so don't believe it."
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    Default Re: Woj: Pacers assessing trade market for Paul George

    More info


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    We come from two different sides politically, but yes. The problem isn't just fake news, the problem is that fake news now gives enough wiggle room to dismiss actual news because you don't want to listen to the truth. There's enough dust out there that anything and everything can be brought under a cloud and vilified.

    And journalists brought it all on themselves. This is when logic and reason are needed, instead of "well you never know, it's possible it's wrong, so don't believe it."
    I ask you - do you always believe 100% in every news story triggered by an anonymous source?
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    I ask you - do you always believe 100% in every news story triggered by an anonymous source?
    Nope. But I don't disbelieve them because I don't want what they said to be true. (I already answered this question btw, when I said if you wanted to have a generic conversation about reporting in general but how this specific incident didn't fit the bill)

    I've given you ample opportunity to lay out a coherent argument for why the reportings wouldn't be true, and have gotten nonsense in response. What makes you think the report wasn't true? Be specific.
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    Nope. But I don't disbelieve them because I don't want what they said to be true. (I already answered this question btw, when I said if you wanted to have a generic conversation about reporting in general but how this specific incident didn't fit the bill)

    I've given you ample opportunity to lay out a coherent argument for why the reportings wouldn't be true, and have gotten nonsense in response. What makes you think the report wasn't true? Be specific.
    My default for ANY anonymous source report is to wait for further evidence or more details, not to start with the premise that it is true and then go out and look for supporting evidence to prove it is false. It is not my responsibility to do the reporter's work for him - where he only has to post a 144-character tweet quoting an anonymous source, how am I going to track down who that source is and how credible they are? It is the reporter's job to provide enough evidence beyond just "someone I know and I won't tell you who said something".

    I would maintain that believing a specific "source says" report without other supporting evidence is just as likely to be because of bias to believe as disbelieving it is due to a bias not to believe.

    Me not finding evidence to prove the statement was false does not somehow prove the statement is true. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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    Default Re: Woj: Pacers assessing trade market for Paul George

    Actually one of the sources is PG's agent.
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    My default for ANY anonymous source report is to wait for further evidence or more details
    You mean like someone outside of the Indystar using a different source outside of the Pacers saying the same thing? But you rejected that too.

    But then there's also common sense. How many times has Larry said there's a max contract waiting on PG whenever he wants to sign it over the last 6months or so? If they wanted to trade PG, then why in the world would they want to sign him to an extension instead of working on finding a partner?



    As long as we're all in agreement that the reason you disbelieve the source isn't based on anything other than the thought that you don't know so you don't believe, then that's fine. If supporting evidence from other places isn't enough, and common sense isn't enough, then I doubt what I have to say is enough either.

    EDIT: I mean how's this for a source?
    Q: Do you see any changes in the new collective bargaining agreement having any impact on George’s free agency or is your position still the same in terms of offering him the max, whether it’s five years or six years?

    Bird: “Yeah, we want to keep him here long term. That’s the plan.”
    http://www.indystar.com/story/sports...more/96857468/

    Fast forward a month to Indystar reporting that the Pacers think PG is untradeable. "Well, that's ********." The tinfoil hat isn't a good look for you Bill.
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    More info


    what is the new info

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    what is the new info
    The opinions of the ESPN panel is the only thing I can come up with.
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    Ignoring that the rumors contradict, as Woj and others ended the day saying Bird was just swatting down offers.

    IF the rumors are true, did the Pacers do something wrong by shopping PG and not telling him?

    We want him here, he said maybe and shopped himself. At that point he isn't telling us his every want after his contract, so why should we be obligated to keep him updated on offers we get for him?

    He created the uncertainty by not committing. If he wanted to stay in the loop, then stay with the team.

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    Default Re: Woj: Pacers assessing trade market for Paul George

    I said more info not new info.


    And again PG's agent is one reliable source, maybe better than Kravitz? I don't know ..
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    Ignoring that the rumors contradict, as Woj and others ended the day saying Bird was just swatting down offers.

    IF the rumors are true, did the Pacers do something wrong by shopping PG and not telling him?

    We want him here, he said maybe and shopped himself. At that point he isn't telling us his every want after his contract, so why should we be obligated to keep him updated on offers we get for him?

    He created the uncertainty by not committing. If he wanted to stay in the loop, then stay with the team.
    I don't think that's true. The only person that I saw saying the Pacers "swatted" away rumors was Nate Taylor, and I'm pretty sure he wasn't quoting anyone with that word.

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    I don't think that's true. The only person that I saw saying the Pacers "swatted" away rumors was Nate Taylor, and I'm pretty sure he wasn't quoting anyone with that word.
    Pretty sure in the same tweet, maybe it's not but it really doesn't matter, Taylor also reported that Simon wanted Bird to field offers. So there's really no contradiction going on.
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    I don't think that's true. The only person that I saw saying the Pacers "swatted" away rumors was Nate Taylor, and I'm pretty sure he wasn't quoting anyone with that word.
    Nope, Stein...




    And Woj said it on his live video thing that day

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    Default Re: Woj: Pacers assessing trade market for Paul George

    Actual video of Larry swatting offers (aka not shopping him)


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    Nope, Stein...




    And Woj said it on his live video thing that day
    Okay, fair enough. Personally, I don't think it's a very big deal but to each his own.

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    Ignoring that the rumors contradict, as Woj and others ended the day saying Bird was just swatting down offers.

    IF the rumors are true, did the Pacers do something wrong by shopping PG and not telling him?

    We want him here, he said maybe and shopped himself. At that point he isn't telling us his every want after his contract, so why should we be obligated to keep him updated on offers we get for him?

    He created the uncertainty by not committing. If he wanted to stay in the loop, then stay with the team.
    And this is where I'm at. I'm not rallying for or against Paul - it's his prerogative to do what he feels best; but, he shouldn't blame Bird or whomever for at least trying to come up with a contingency plan if he decides to bounce.

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    Okay, fair enough. Personally, I don't think it's a very big deal but to each his own.
    Me either, its not a big deal at all.

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    Found this very interesting and relevant.

    Johnson on what it was like being involved with trade talks with his old rival and Pacers GM Bird: "We only talked for about two or three minutes about the possibility of a trade, but it was more geared toward later on, not at that moment. It was just saying "Hi, I’m here and we’re looking forward to talking to you later on this summer."
    http://www.espn.com/blog/los-angeles...alton-and-more

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    Haha - Magic pretty much did everything but spell out his intentions for the summer there.

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    Found this very interesting and relevant.



    http://www.espn.com/blog/los-angeles...alton-and-more
    From LA perspective I wouldn't trust anything out of Magic's mouth. They know that any division in the Pacers camp is a net win for them. I personally would vomit if PG ended up in a Laker uniform with us getting screwed out of some meaningful return for his value.

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    Ignoring that the rumors contradict, as Woj and others ended the day saying Bird was just swatting down offers.

    IF the rumors are true, did the Pacers do something wrong by shopping PG and not telling him?

    We want him here, he said maybe and shopped himself. At that point he isn't telling us his every want after his contract, so why should we be obligated to keep him updated on offers we get for him?

    He created the uncertainty by not committing. If he wanted to stay in the loop, then stay with the team.

    BINGO. He wants to be on a winner(theoretically and short of that LA). He did not sign so he is shopping himself. Pacers after that have EVERY right to do the same given the position he has put them in. How does PG think the Pacers management and fans feel. Maybe a little betrayed??? I would prefer he stay and commit long term. It would be best for both parties. Why is he saying anything about them shopping him??????????????????????????????????
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    Default Re: Woj: Pacers assessing trade market for Paul George

    Of course Magic wants to talk if they get the top 3 pick and I hope they do.


    Edit: top 3 pick (anybody but Lonzo clown ball) plus Ingram could get it done.
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    Of course Magic wants to talk if they get the top 3 pick and I hope they do.


    Edit: top 3 pick (anybody but Lonzo clown ball) plus Ingram could get it done.
    Probably will offer their top pick, Houston's 1st round pick, and Clarkson/Nance.

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