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    "As I told Larry, I always want to play on a winning team," George said on the program. "I always want to be part of a team that has a chance to win it (all). That's important. Say what you want; I want to compete for something. It's frustrating just playing the game for stats or for numbers or to showcase yourself. Man, I want a chance to play for a chance to win a championship.
    "I want to be the first to bring a championship to Indiana. So that's still on my mind ... and something I definitely want to achieve in Indiana."
    In January, Pacers President Larry Bird told IndyStar, "Before the year started, I told Paul and I said, ‘Look, if you want to sign a long-term deal, we’re willing to do that max (contract) and if you want to wait, I understand.’ But this year, we’re not going to worry about it, we’re not going to talk about it and he’s going to make the decision that’s best for Paul when it comes down to it.”
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    There seems to be an impasse building between what Bird has wanted to build the last couple years and the direction that Paul thinks the team should go. I mean just look at his comments after the Wiz game. He's obviously frustrated and upset over the construction of the roster. Now I am not going to absolve him of any culpability, far from it. But at the same time he's seeing the league change and the Pacers haven't really adapted as much as they need to if they really want to compete at the level Paul is talking about.

    I still think a lot of it has to do with coaching, personally. And last night we learned that there is almost certainly a degree of locker room cancer coming from somewhere (I have my suspicions). Add to that some struggles with injury and underwhelming play from a couple pieces we added (Al mostly), and yeah - we're average at best. Capable of getting hot and riding a wave of good vibes for a week or two, but also capable of looking like a JV high school team for the very next week.

    I don't blame Paul for being frustrated, changes need to be made. I've always got the Pacers back. I support the coaching staff and all the players because they represent my team and I generally think that almost all of them are likable and good guys to root for. But at some point that has to be secondary to the greater good for the team itself, and that time is here.

    Anyone not named Paul or Myles is on the block, if I am Larry. And when it comes to the "mystery cancer" that was inferred after last night's game, I would trade him (or them) for literally almost anything just to rid the team of their presence. If a trade couldn't be found, send them to the D-League or just waive them, I don't care about salary or years left. If they are impacting the team to the point where it's causing the locker room to suffer this dramatically and we could potentially lose the most talented player to ever wear a Pacers uniform, you get RID of the people responsible for that toxic environment at all costs.

    But -- Probably nothing will happen and everything will continue to suck.

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    Seeing the entire quote, prob no big deal. Wants to win, but will likely take the money.

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    There seems to be an impasse building between what Bird has wanted to build the last couple years and the direction that Paul thinks the team should go. I mean just look at his comments after the Wiz game. He's obviously frustrated and upset over the construction of the roster. Now I am not going to absolve him of any culpability, far from it. But at the same time he's seeing the league change and the Pacers haven't really adapted as much as they need to if they really want to compete at the level Paul is talking about.

    I still think a lot of it has to do with coaching, personally. And last night we learned that there is almost certainly a degree of locker room cancer coming from somewhere (I have my suspicions). Add to that some struggles with injury and underwhelming play from a couple pieces we added (Al mostly), and yeah - we're average at best. Capable of getting hot and riding a wave of good vibes for a week or two, but also capable of looking like a JV high school team for the very next week.

    I don't blame Paul for being frustrated, changes need to be made. I've always got the Pacers back. I support the coaching staff and all the players because they represent my team and I generally think that almost all of them are likable and good guys to root for. But at some point that has to be secondary to the greater good for the team itself, and that time is here.

    Anyone not named Paul or Myles is on the block, if I am Larry. And when it comes to the "mystery cancer" that was inferred after last night's game, I would trade him (or them) for literally almost anything just to rid the team of their presence. If a trade couldn't be found, send them to the D-League or just waive them, I don't care about salary or years left. If they are impacting the team to the point where it's causing the locker room to suffer this dramatically and we could potentially lose the most talented player to ever wear a Pacers uniform, you get RID of the people responsible for that toxic environment at all costs.

    But -- Probably nothing will happen and everything will continue to suck.
    We keep hearing about this locker room situation. Said in an earlier post that there was only 2 players over all these years (I was wrong there are 4). Who could be the issue: PG, CJ, LaVoy, and Stuckey. Ummmmm

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    I just jumped out my 25th floor office building window.

    Oh, wait, No I didn't. To the comments from PG. No duh. No news here. he wants to play for a winner. OMG.

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    Comes closer to confirming what I've thought over the last year. He's going to leave, and we'll be left with nothing if not traded before this off season. I understand not wanting to trade him at this deadline because you want to know the draft order since that is when you can really evaluate the return with any trades offering draft picks. However, you need to actually listen to these offers. We're doomed for a long time if he leaves and we get nothing back. I'm fine with keeping him IF he actually wants to stay, and starts playing like the superstar he thinks he is.

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    We keep hearing about this locker room situation. Said in an earlier post that there was only 2 players over all these years (I was wrong there are 4). Who could be the issue: PG, CJ, LaVoy, and Stuckey. Ummmmm
    My gut tells me it's none of the above, but I could be wrong.

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    Let's not forget, Bird is just in his second season of totally changing the roster and style of play.

    He has made some good moves...and not so good moves, but it looks to me like we are on the right track. We need to improve our bench, get rid of a couple of players and find a starting 3 & D wing. We can't do all of that at the trade deadline, but we can work on it. Hopefully with a trade or two by the deadline and some moves in the off season, we can be back to being a top team in the East. If we can do that, I think Paul will stay.

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    I have seen players say the same thing to their teams before getting traded or leaving, this is quote for "trade me to a winning team or I'm leaving".
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    Note also that he specifically says that he wants to win in Indiana. Nothing really new in what he said.

    PG will be offered a boatload of cash this offseason by the Pacers (possibly a larger boatload if he makes all-NBA). It's all up to him. If he extends, then great. If he refuses, well then the Pacers will have to make a decision.

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    The real ultimatum should come this off-season. If he accepts the extention great. If not, trade him then and there. It would be nice though to have at least a "verbal, agreement or not in place before the draft just in case Boston wants to offer that pick. Just in case.

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    The real ultimatum should come this off-season. If he accepts the extention great. If not, trade him then and there. It would be nice though to have at least a "verbal, agreement or not in place before the draft just in case Boston wants to offer that pick. Just in case.
    Wouldn't you think the F.O. would have a pretty good guess as to what PG wants to do about his extension by now? Are we really depending on this team to suddenly catch fire and go so far in the playoffs that it would tip Paul one way or the other? Depending on a broken stick, as the old saying goes. This cat and mouse BS about re-signing Paul gets old to me. Offer him the extension or trade him away during the off season, but shut up about it now and concentrate on the season we are trying our best to throw away.

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    Wouldn't you think the F.O. would have a pretty good guess as to what PG wants to do about his extension by now? Are we really depending on this team to suddenly catch fire and go so far in the playoffs that it would tip Paul one way or the other? Depending on a broken stick, as the old saying goes. This cat and mouse BS about re-signing Paul gets old to me. Offer him the extension or trade him away during the off season, but shut up about it now and concentrate on the season we are trying our best to throw away.


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    Who doesn't want to play for a winner? If I were him, I wouldn't sign an extension and put the pressure on Bird to build a winner.

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    We're gonna lose him and get nothing in return, or we trade him. That's pretty clear. And knowing the luck of Indianapolis, we'll lose him with nothing in return cause Bird is a moron.

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    Might be better if PG plays on a team where he doesn't have to be the number one option because he has shown that he is not capable of carrying that load and being that leader here. If he thinks he can go somewhere else and be a superstar that carries a team to a title he is sadly mistaken. He has always thought of himself as batman. He is a robin. He is a very good NBA player that still has an attitude problem and still has weaknesses in his game that haven't improved. I am ready to move on if we can get good value. Small market problems be damned.

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    We're gonna lose him and get nothing in return, or we trade him. That's pretty clear. And knowing the luck of Indianapolis, we'll lose him with nothing in return cause Bird is a moron.
    Or we'll trade him for a roleplayer and draft picks that don't turn out to be superstars, because Bird is a moron.
    Or we'll trade him for a decent player but PG will blow up and fulfill his superstardom, because Bird is a moron.
    Or we'll re-sign him and he'll play pretty well but not be a Westbrook or LeBron, because Bird is a moron.

    I suspect this is an "all lose" proposition, because the chances of getting something better than Paul for Paul are pretty damn slim.
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    Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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    Who doesn't want to play for a winner? If I were him, I wouldn't sign an extension and put the pressure on Bird to build a winner.
    So pretty much what he has been doing all year (that plus the crying)
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    Thoughts?
    1) Quit talking to and thru the media.

    2) Drop the prima-donna attitude.

    3) Don't worry about PG - the image. Worry about PG - the player.

    4) Realize that the game to be played is the one on the court - not between you and the front office.

    5) Work your @ss off to become a better player.

    6) Work your @ss off to be a better teammate.

    I think the winning will follow.
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    I realize that this is all talk and doesn't really mean anything but I won't lie, this troubles me.

    I just get the real feeling that there is a disconnect between Bird and Paul and style of play. I won't be surprised either way, but if I were Larry I would certainly be quietly working the phones and if a blockbuster made itself available then I would be seriously looking at it. I wouldn't trade him for nothing or junk but if we could get a close to equal value player back? I think you have to consider it at this point.


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    I realize that this is all talk and doesn't really mean anything but I won't lie, this troubles me.

    I just get the real feeling that there is a disconnect between Bird and Paul and style of play. I won't be surprised either way, but if I were Larry I would certainly be quietly working the phones and if a blockbuster made itself available then I would be seriously looking at it. I wouldn't trade him for nothing or junk but if we could get a close to equal value player back? I think you have to consider it at this point.
    Now you're coming around.

    I want the Boston picks. Maybe Jaylen Brown or Marcus Smart too. I think we have a really good PG and a budding superstar center. So i'm willing to take those top picks back for PG and roll the dice on what is probably the best draft in 10 to 15 years.

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    And the other thing is, I just dont want to give PG 200+ million a contract. I think thats nuts. I'm not seeing a 200 million dollar player out there. That is bad business.

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    In case ya'll needed to know what a 200 million dollar player doesn't look like.

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    In case ya'll needed to know what a 200 million dollar player doesn't look like.
    2017

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    Let me know when he isn't trying in the 2017 playoffs.

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