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    This was never a debate about Reggie being a star, it was about Reggie being tough.

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    Why are you so scared of a different opinion? You're being flat out rude.
    Every time you start one of these threads, people react like this. If you are going to post things that are somewhat provocative, how do you not expect to see reactions like this and steel yourself for them?

    Also, I don't really know what the **** "tough" means in this context. Define what you mean as toughness and let's work from there.

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    This was never a debate about Reggie being a star, it was about Reggie being tough.
    The point was that Reggie was accused of everything you are accusing Paul of.
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    Hmmm. How does a Pacer fan not love Reggie Miller? Especially a phenomenally smart Pacer fan like Peck?

    I find this "not tough enough" thing unconvincing. Paul isn't tough enough to handle LeBron in the post. Otherwise, he's been tough when it counts. He owned the Raptors most of that series IMO.
    STRONG ENOUGH. He's tough enough to be willing to bang down there with Lebron, but not strong enough to stop Lebron from pushing him off the block.

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    STRONG ENOUGH. He's tough enough to be willing to bang down there with Lebron, but not strong enough to stop Lebron from pushing him off the block.
    Well, I kind of agree but if he were tougher he would be stronger.

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    OK, let me start down a list of NBA players who I would say are tough enough

    Westbrook
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    I think he is the only player in the league who is tough enough.

    Harden - needs to be much tougher on defense
    Curry - needs to be physically tougher
    Durant - needs to be tougher towards the end of games
    Lebron - He could be mentally tougher - - but really he should probably be on the tough enough list with Westbrook as the only two.
    Anthony Davis - oh please - not even close
    Cousins - he's not tough mentally at all.
    I could go down the list - almost every star player IMO is not tough enough. So IMO saying PG is not tough enough is like saying the sky is blue. So, if we can trade him for Westbrook or LeBron, then OK. - we won't have to worry about not tough enough players.
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    Maybe overall, both sides of the ball, but I'll take Reggie as a leader and in the crunch every time. That's not even close.

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    I feel for some of these stars in terms of giving interviews. If they don't, they're rude and jerks. If they do, they're called boring and repetitive. But let's be honest, there's only so much you can say about a basketball game, day in and day out.
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    I feel for some of these stars in terms of giving interviews. If they don't, they're rude and jerks. If they do, they're called boring and repetitive. But let's be honest, there's only so much you can say about a basketball game, day in and day out.
    IDK. I think I could stomach a handful of questions after getting my exercise in while earning a 7 or 8 figure salary playing a child's game. Just spout out a few cliché's, thank the home town fans, etc. 5 minutes every few days in the winter months interrupting my constant vacation isn't a big deal.

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    Alllllllrighty then. Let's get back to the PG bashing.

    Physically - the kid is gifted. He won the genetic lottery. It's what he does with it that's the problem. It HAS to be what's inside his head - or what isn't. LeBron for example - physically gifted also. But his drive, his desire, his leadership, the effort he gives on the court, his mentality about the game and winning it ......... I could go on, but you get the idea.

    I just don't think PG wants to put the time and effort into being the best basketball player he can be. So far tonite, PG is 3-17. LeBron is having one of those nights - 11-15 so far. My point is - you rarely see LeBron or Curry or Durant or the other true elite players have off nights as often as PG does. I don't know if it's effort, watching video of the next team, understanding how he's being played and making adjustments -- if I knew, I'd be rich. Seems to me that he just relies on his physical stuff and takes whatever it is on a given night. Lazy, mentally weak ?? Maybe not that extreme, but I kind of think that if he took it all a little more seriously, applied himself with the commitment of someone like Kobe or even Reggie - he'd be a lot more reliable night after night.

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    Paul is looking mighty tough tonight.

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    Cant wait for Paul to tell us how the Pacers are not tough enough and how he's not having fun, after the game.

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    I mean, I think Paul is a great player but let's face it. He's not playing like one. He's 4-19 tonight but you look back through the season and he has a lot of games where he's scoring 10-13ppg. Too many IMO for a supposed super star player. Worse, he is entering his prime now. He should be having one of his best seasons but he's just not impressive. I think he's checked out, tbh.

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    There is no doubt he's checked out, but some people on this board just dont want to hear that.

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    Worse, his steals, rebounds, assists, points and blocks are all down while on the court more minutes this year compared to last. We are talking less effort. Not interested in staying means less effort.

    Gotta move his butt........

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    Worse, his steals, rebounds, assists, points and blocks are all down while on the court more minutes this year compared to last. We are talking less effort. Not interested in staying means less effort.

    Gotta move his butt........
    I think Larry plans on moving his butt up to a $33 mil salary with an extension. Does that count?
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    Alllllllrighty then. Let's get back to the PG bashing.

    Physically - the kid is gifted. He won the genetic lottery. It's what he does with it that's the problem. It HAS to be what's inside his head - or what isn't. LeBron for example - physically gifted also. But his drive, his desire, his leadership, the effort he gives on the court, his mentality about the game and winning it ......... I could go on, but you get the idea.

    I just don't think PG wants to put the time and effort into being the best basketball player he can be. So far tonite, PG is 3-17. LeBron is having one of those nights - 11-15 so far. My point is - you rarely see LeBron or Curry or Durant or the other true elite players have off nights as often as PG does. I don't know if it's effort, watching video of the next team, understanding how he's being played and making adjustments -- if I knew, I'd be rich. Seems to me that he just relies on his physical stuff and takes whatever it is on a given night. Lazy, mentally weak ?? Maybe not that extreme, but I kind of think that if he took it all a little more seriously, applied himself with the commitment of someone like Kobe or even Reggie - he'd be a lot more reliable night after night.

    Lebron has nicely positioned himself to where his clout in the players association combined with his off the court endeavors allow him to actually "play" basketball while everyone else has to adhere to certain rules. Paul and many other players would have a monster scoring average too if they were allowed to get away with the stuff Lebron does on the court.

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    Lebron has nicely positioned himself to where his clout in the players association combined with his off the court endeavors allow him to actually "play" basketball while everyone else has to adhere to certain rules. Paul and many other players would have a monster scoring average too if they were allowed to get away with the stuff Lebron does on the court.
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    Jason Williams and Billups kind of called him soft today.
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    Dear God...
    While there is a talent level difference between players in the NBA for certain. Until the officiating situation and shady behind the scenes nonsense is straightened out. Most will never see or know what teams are actually better and what teams aren't in the NBA. That goes for if Paul is our franchise superstar or if it ends up being someone else (via trade, draft pick, etc.) It's amazing because as the NFL has taken measures to move away from being an "entertainment" league, the NBA has practically embraced being one and then some.

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    While there is a talent level difference between players in the NBA for certain. Until the officiating situation and shady behind the scenes nonsense is straightened out. Most will never see or know what teams are actually better and what teams aren't in the NBA. That goes for if Paul is our franchise superstar or if it ends up being someone else (via trade, draft pick, etc.) It's amazing because as the NFL has taken measures to move away from being an "entertainment" league, the NBA has practically embraced being one and then some.
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    While there is a talent level difference between players in the NBA for certain. Until the officiating situation and shady behind the scenes nonsense is straightened out. Most will never see or know what teams are actually better and what teams aren't in the NBA. That goes for if Paul is our franchise superstar or if it ends up being someone else (via trade, draft pick, etc.) It's amazing because as the NFL has taken measures to move away from being an "entertainment" league, the NBA has practically embraced being one and then some.
    The NFL is the beacon of light in this bleak world.

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    I never would have thought people would legitimately have this type of opinion about the league if it weren't for PD.

    I just never would believe it. It's almost astonishing

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    Every time I decide to catch up on some Pacer forum reading, I very quickly remember why I don't read the forum much anymore.
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    The NFL is the beacon of light in this bleak world.
    No, the NFL isn't any beacon of light..... but PG is exhibiting traits that most millenials are starting to show, they were born into a world of instant gratification. PG might have grown into it, but it's pretty obvious something is up.... dude flat out seems to think he should be granted "Star" status..... meanwhile, most outside of IN, couldn't give 2 ***** who he is..... outside of big NBA fans.....I do believe this bothers Paul, he wants to be liked...... just my opinion, but i think he feels he deserves more attention than he gets here. occassional 30 point games, sometimes 5 in a row? awesome.... play team ball, make others around you better...... whine less.

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