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NBA Indiana Pacers 2016-17 Season Preview

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    NBA Indiana Pacers 2016-17 Season Preview

    http://www.basketballinsiders.com/in...eason-preview/

    The Indiana Pacers were a middle-of-the-road team in the Eastern Conference last season that changed coaches and about a third of its lineup. Larry Bird wanted an on-court product that runs more, plays smaller and scores more often, and acquiring Jeff Teague and Thaddeus Young this offseason should help that. Hiring Nate McMillan as Frank Vogel’s replacement, however, is a little more of a head-scratcher.

    Either way, the consensus is that Indiana made a bevy of strong moves this offseason and could very easily make some vertical movement in a wide-open Eastern Conference this year.

    Basketball Insiders previews the 2016-17 season for the Indiana Pacers.

    FIVE GUYS THINK

    I like that the Pacers went out and added impact veterans in Jeff Teague, Thaddeus Young and Al Jefferson. I don’t like that they let go of Frank Vogel – a top notch defensive coach – to implement a more up-tempo offense. I don’t disagree with wanting to increase the tempo, but if that was the goal, I don’t understand why they replaced Vogel with Nate McMillan. McMillan runs a methodical, generally slow offense like Vogel. Unless McMillan is completely committed to picking up the pace on offense, this hire simply doesn’t make much sense. Nevertheless, the Pacers added impact players to complement Paul George, who played out of his mind last season. The Pacers should be a top-level team in the wide open Eastern Conference this upcoming season.

    3rd Place – Central Division

    – Jesse Blancarte

    There are half a million puff pieces out there praising the work Indiana’s front office did this summer in overhauling the roster, and there’s a very good reason for that. They really did get markedly better, and they really did walk away from just about every single one of their offseason transactions better than when they started. They already had an elite two-way player on the roster in Paul George, but they actually upgraded in loads of places by adding Jeff Teague, Thaddeus Young and Al Jefferson. Myles Turner was one of the league’s top rookies last year, and his improvement should help this team along too. Cleveland is still king in this division and this conference, but Indiana now is in the conversation for second-best. The Eastern Conference Finals are definitely in play for these guys.

    2nd Place – Central Division

    – Joel Brigham

    I really liked the Pacers’ offseason and I honestly believe they could emerge as one of the top-three teams in the Eastern Conference. Paul George was a monster last season and he should be even better this year now that his confidence is back to 100 percent and the supporting cast around him has improved. I had the chance to interview Jeff Teague in early July and Myles Turner in early August, and I think both of those guys are poised for huge seasons. Teague is loving the change of scenery since he’s back home, surrounded by weapons and no longer looking over his shoulder at Dennis Schroder. Turner is coming off of a great finish to his rookie campaign and I think he could emerge as one of the better young big men in the league during this upcoming season (he’s certainly saying all of the right things). The East is wide open after the Cavaliers; I think Toronto, Boston and Indiana can occupy that second tier right below the defending champs if all goes as planned for each of those teams.

    2nd Place – Central Division

    – Alex Kennedy

    Fed up with the Pacers’ plodding and visually unappealing offensive style, team president Larry Bird shifted gears this summer in an attempt to spark an immediate turnaround. Bird relieved Frank Vogel of head coaching duties shortly after the season and then made a series of moves aimed at bringing more offensive firepower to Indiana. The additions of veterans Jeff Teague, Al Jefferson and Thaddeus Young – three proven double-digit scorers – provides more offense next to All-Star Paul George in the lineup and will alleviate some of his burden on a nightly basis. But the Pacers sacrificed defense for more scoring, so the question is whether the club can create a defensive identity? If they can, another trip to the playoffs awaits. If the Pacers can’t, they’ll be more fun to watch, but probably sitting home watching the playoffs come April.

    3rd Place – Central Division

    – Lang Greene

    After the Pacers were able to sign Al Jefferson to what seems to be a great value contract, I was fairly certain that they had cemented themselves as the second-best team in the conference – at least on paper. Paul George is quietly coming off of what could be argued as his finest season yet and the Pacers upgraded their point guard position tremendously by adding Jeff Teague. Myles Turner came in ready to contribute from day one and, without singularly listing each player on their roster, I think the Pacers can go 10 deep. The wildcard in the equation is Nate McMillan. I have a lot of respect for McMillan and the work he did with the Portland Trail Blazers and was told by a source, years ago, that Carmelo Anthony supported him as the successor to Mike D’Antoni in New York. Obviously, that never panned out, but it’s good to see McMillan back as a head coach. I think he will have success with pulling all the potential out of these Pacers and having them ready to play from the beginning. They are a fair mix of veterans and players whose best days are ahead of them, so I think I may be higher on them than most. I think they will have a legitimate shot of pushing for the conference’s second seed.

    2nd Place — Central Division
    – Moke Hamilton

    TOP OF THE LIST

    Top Offensive Player: Paul George

    After missing all but six games in 2014-2015 following a leg injury that has to be one of the top five stomach-turning things any modern NBA fan has ever witnessed watching a basketball game (somewhere in between Shaun Livingston’s blown knee and Joakim Noah’s jumpshot), George came back last season with a vengeance. Not only did he post career-highs in points per game, games played, free throws attempted and three-pointers, but he also spent a good portion of the season in talks for MVP consideration. He didn’t have much of a shot at actually winning it with everything Stephen Curry accomplished, but his versatility, athleticism and all-around devastation placed him squarely back among the league’s elite. Not only is he the best offensive player on this team, he’s also one of the best offensive players in the league.

    Top Defensive Player: Paul George

    He’s one of the best defensive players in the league too, for that matter. The only time in the last four seasons that George hasn’t made either the All-Defensive First or Second Teams was the year he had the broken leg. Additionally, his nearly two steals per game last season showed he quickly returned to being one of the league’s elite perimeter defenders. He’s got long arms, huge hands and quick feet that help him recover from almost any offensive move. On and off the ball, he’s elite, and he’ll anchor this Indy defense yet again this season.

    Top Playmaker: Jeff Teague

    It’s been a couple of years since Teague was named an Eastern Conference All-Star, but he has shown in the past that when he is let off the chain he can put the ball in the basket in a handful of truly devastating ways. He’s an upgrade over George Hill in that he’s faster and craftier in carving out his own shot, which could work wonders for the Pacers’ offense. Assuming Nate McMillan lets Teague play his type of game and doesn’t try to slow him down, he could be the second option on offense Indiana hoped they were getting in Monta Ellis last season. Teague keeps defenses honest and is a much better fit at point guard this season than George Hill has been. Hill was no slouch, but Teague should be an upgrade.

    Top Clutch Player: Paul George

    This is one of those teams with a clear alpha dog, and that means when the game is on the line, George will be the one with the ball is hands. He’s creative enough offensively to make magic happen in crunch time, and he already has had more than his fair share of game winners. Others may touch the ball in a tight game’s waning moments, but it will be shocking if George isn’t the one actually taking the big shots.

    The Unheralded Player: C.J. Miles

    While Miles isn’t necessarily an irreplaceable guy in terms of his talent, he is a guy who really holds the locker room together and is a ton of fun for the rest of the team to play with. He averaged just shy of 12 PPG last year, which is more or less par for the course over Miles’ last six NBA seasons. He also is capable of starting for the Pacers, having done so in 24 contests last season. He has an occasional big game, but his impact on the locker room is immense. He’ll help make all the new guys feel at home and smooth things over in a locker room that features a lot of new faces.

    Top New Addition: Thaddeus Young

    While the Pacers added plenty of talented players this summer, none came at a better price than Young, who only cost Indiana the 20th overall selection in what amounted to a pretty weak draft. Caris LeVert could be a perfectly good player for Brooklyn before everything’s all said and done, but Young already has established himself as a hard-nosed, versatile forward with playoff experience. There’s a 100 percent chance that Young will provide more this season than anybody selected at pick No. 20 would have, so while Teague could easily be considered the “best new addition,” in terms of what the Pacers gave up, Young was by far the better value.

    – Joel Brigham

    WHO WE LIKE

    Myles Turner
    In some ways, the Pacers’ success this upcoming season will be determined by how effective Myles Turner can be, which of course is asking a lot of him. Still, in his rookie season Turner proved to have the ability to both protect the rim and shoot from all over the floor. His 3.3 blocks per game led the NBA in the first round of this past spring’s playoffs. As soon as the calendar rolled over to 2016 last season, Turner pushed himself into the starting lineup after averaging 18 points, 5.7 rebounds and 2.3 blocks per game during a huge six-game stretch in January – including one game where he scored 31 points and pulled in eight rebounds. His skillset is perfect for a team that wants to play smaller and faster, and if he takes a big leap forward this season, so too will the Pacers.

    Al Jefferson
    As the only Pacers player other than Turner over 6’10, Jefferson injects some size into the lineup as a projected member of the Indiana bench. He doesn’t in any way fit the profile of a player that works in an uptempo offense, but his low post scoring can still be an asset as an anchor to the reserve unit, and his $10-million-per-year contract makes him a steal even as he approaches the back nine of his career. He’ll be a strong veteran presence in the locker room and a nice safety blanket for the second unit.

    Aaron Brooks
    Essentially the “Lite” version of Jeff Teague, Brooks is a budget backup that should help Indiana’s bench unit continue humming along even when the starting point guard is getting a breather. Brooks is quick and loves to push the pace, which fits well with what Larry Bird would like to see happen with this group, but he also can create and score well despite his diminutive nature. He’s a perfect backup for Teague and perennially one of the league’s more underappreciated players.

    Thaddeus Young
    The likely starter at the four, Young is the sort of guy who can score like a swingman but defend a number of positions, including some of the bigger, stronger fours. They’ve wanted a stretchier player at that position for a couple of years now, and Young will fit the bill. He was only one of three players in the NBA to average at least 15 points, nine rebounds and 1.5 steals last year, and those are qualities the Pacers absolutely are going to appreciate in him throughout the 2016-2017 campaign.

    Paul George
    In the first round of last year’s playoffs, George led his team in points, rebounds and assists. Things weren’t all that different in the regular season where he led all Pacers players in points, steals, minutes and almost topped the rebound category, as well. He does everything well, and he’s coming off a gold medal where he surely learned a lot about winning at an elite level. He’s a top-ten player in the entire league. How could anybody not love him?

    – Joel Brigham

    SALARY CAP 101

    The Pacers are still under the NBA’s $94.1 million salary cap, with as much as $4.3 million in remaining room. That’s enough to restructure and extend Paul George’s contract, should he be interested when eligible (as of Sep. 25). Indiana has 16 guaranteed players, so someone has to go before the start of the season. The Dallas Mavericks paid the Pacers $3.2 million to take on the $1.2 million contract of Jeremy Evans, who could be the odd-man out. Even if Evans is cut, that doesn’t open up roster space for camp invites Julyan Stone, Alex Poythress or Nick Zeisloft.

    Next summer, the Pacers could have roughly $27 million in spending power under a projected $102 million salary cap. That assumes the team picks up the rookie-scale option on Myles Turner before the end of October (an easy decision). It also presumes the team decline’s Lavoy Allen’s team option, and that that both Rodney Stuckey and C.J. Miles opt out of their contracts. Indiana’s spending power in 2017 might shrink by about $4 million, should George restructures his deal this season.
    Sittin on top of the world!
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  • #2
    Re: NBA Indiana Pacers 2016-17 Season Preview

    Who do the ones placing us third in the Central have between us and Cleveland?
    BillS

    A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
    Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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      Re: NBA Indiana Pacers 2016-17 Season Preview

      Originally posted by BillS View Post
      Who do the ones placing us third in the Central have between us and Cleveland?
      Given the way Detroit finished last yeat, I'd assume them.

      Maybe the big named vets in Chicago persuaded some votes

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      • #4
        Re: NBA Indiana Pacers 2016-17 Season Preview

        Originally posted by BillS View Post
        Who do the ones placing us third in the Central have between us and Cleveland?
        Toronto would have to be a likely candidate.
        {o,o}
        |)__)
        -"-"-

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        • #5
          Re: NBA Indiana Pacers 2016-17 Season Preview

          Originally posted by owl View Post
          Toronto would have to be a likely candidate.
          Toronto is not in the Central Division.

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            Re: NBA Indiana Pacers 2016-17 Season Preview

            Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
            Given the way Detroit finished last yeat, I'd assume them.

            Maybe the big named vets in Chicago persuaded some votes
            I looked at Detroit's preview--the two guys who put us third do have the Pistons second.

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            • #7
              Re: NBA Indiana Pacers 2016-17 Season Preview

              Originally posted by BillS View Post
              Who do the ones placing us third in the Central have between us and Cleveland?
              Don't be a troll. Obviously milwaukee.
              Lifelong pacers fan

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              • #8
                Re: NBA Indiana Pacers 2016-17 Season Preview

                Originally posted by cdash View Post
                I looked at Detroit's preview--the two guys who put us third do have the Pistons second.
                I like their team and their coaching

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                  Re: NBA Indiana Pacers 2016-17 Season Preview

                  Originally posted by BillS View Post
                  Who do the ones placing us third in the Central have between us and Cleveland?
                  According to Vegas odds,

                  Cleveland
                  Detroit
                  Indiana
                  Milwaukee
                  Chicago

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                  • #10
                    Re: NBA Indiana Pacers 2016-17 Season Preview

                    Paul George
                    Myles Turner
                    Jeff Teague
                    Monta Ellis
                    Thaddeus Young
                    Al Jefferson

                    This is a pretty talented top 6, this season is going to be interesting. The basketball calculus and chemistry between these players and McMillian as well as Turner's development will determine how good we'll be; won't be a question of talent.
                    //

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                      Re: NBA Indiana Pacers 2016-17 Season Preview

                      Pacers being underestimated? No way!

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                      • #12
                        Re: NBA Indiana Pacers 2016-17 Season Preview

                        The pacers are definitely not being underestimated. There were 3 writers within this blog alone that believe they'll be 2nd in the division

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                          Re: NBA Indiana Pacers 2016-17 Season Preview

                          Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
                          The pacers are definitely not being underestimated. There were 3 writers within this blog alone that believe they'll be 2nd in the division
                          I think taken without context of the teams IN the Central, that seems like a bit of a slap - however, when realizing that Cleveland is in the Central it means we could be as high as second in the East (which is in fact mentioned by the second-in-the-Central guys) and still be "only" second in the division.
                          BillS

                          A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                          Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                          • #14
                            Re: NBA Indiana Pacers 2016-17 Season Preview

                            Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
                            The pacers are definitely not being underestimated. There were 3 writers within this blog alone that believe they'll be 2nd in the division
                            I was clearly referring to the people underestimating us, saying we will win less than Detroit. The Pacers can be underestimated by some, while not by others. I was not talking about people rating us as potentialy second in the east. C'mon.

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                            • #15
                              Re: NBA Indiana Pacers 2016-17 Season Preview

                              Originally posted by freddielewis14 View Post
                              I was clearly referring to the people underestimating us, saying we will win less than Detroit. The Pacers can be underestimated by some, while not by others. I was not talking about people rating us as potentialy second in the east. C'mon.
                              I never think of "underestimating" as referring to someone reasoning that two teams might be close with one ending up where I think my team should. I usually think it requires a lot more dire difference in the prediction - like Indiana finishing out of the playoffs.

                              I guess I'd use a different term for just thinking they won't be as good as I think they will be if it is close, but I can't think what that term would be right now.
                              BillS

                              A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                              Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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