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  • Jeremy Evans is very intriguing.

    While Jeremy Evans might ultimately have the least on-court impact among the
    new Pacers aquisitions, I still find him to be the most intriguing.

    First off, he is a VERY talented artist:




    Secondly, when he does get playing time, he has a high-energy flare about him:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8lYJLOP5_I

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYRY6FiVKsY


    He's now 28 and is probably at his prime. I realise though that there have to
    be good reasons why he earned D-League time last season, but it seems the
    guy still has plenty of room to reach his true potential. My only conclusion can
    be that while athletically gifted, he must not have a good overall understanding
    of how to play the game properly.

    With good coaching, even at the age of 28 can he become more of a key
    contributor than he has been so far? I would love to see this guy get some
    quality minutes every now and then, and develop into more than just an
    "end of the bench" type player. We are sure to see some highlight reel
    moves from him at some point.

    Will (or can) he get better, or it is what it is and what you see is what you get?

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    Re: Jeremy Evans is very intriguing.

    I suspect is is what he is at this point. A great athlete that isn't a very good basketball player. He's been in the league long enough to show that he is probably not going to suddenly learn how to play.

    I would not be surprised to see him get cut in spite of his contract.

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      Re: Jeremy Evans is very intriguing.

      I had no idea that Jeremy Evans was a talented artist. Those sketches were pretty good. Good for him
      Originally posted by IrishPacer
      Empty vessels make the most noise.

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      • #4
        Re: Jeremy Evans is very intriguing.

        Dude has got some dope artistic skills

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        • #5
          Re: Jeremy Evans is very intriguing.

          Originally posted by xIndyFan View Post
          I suspect is is what he is at this point. A great athlete that isn't a very good basketball player. He's been in the league long enough to show that he is probably not going to suddenly learn how to play.

          I would not be surprised to see him get cut in spite of his contract.

          He'd be a better backup than Lavoy for a number of reasons. His athleticism and hops for starters. That means we can push the ball and he can finish. Lavoy doesn't have the motor or the hops to finish strong at the rim or catch lobs. It makes for easier 2's. His outside shooting is as sporadic as Lavoy's but Jeremy can hit the deep 2 and the 3. Just not at a consistent clip. But that might come with some solid minutes at backup 4. He and Lavoy are almost the same age.

          I think Jeremy would play over him just because Jeremy not only gives us athleticism on offense but on defense as well. He has the athletic ability to swat shots around the rim into the stands and snatch balls out of midair. That's a dimension you don't get with Lavoy. Overall you'd have a player backing up Thad Young who has a similarly strong athletic prowess. As opposed to a slower player with a lower motor. Jeremy at the backup 4 is simply a better match. Until Niang is ready.
          Last edited by Grimp; 08-16-2016, 07:14 PM.

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            Re: Jeremy Evans is very intriguing.

            Originally posted by Grimp View Post
            He'd be a better backup than Lavoy for a number of reasons. His athleticism and hops for starters. That means we can push the ball and he can finish. Lavoy doesn't have the motor or the hops to finish strong at the rim or catch lobs. It makes for easier 2's. His outside shooting is as sporadic as Lavoy's but Jeremy can hit the deep 2 and the 3. Just not at a consistent clip. But that might come with some solid minutes at backup 4. He and Lavoy are almost the same age.

            I think Jeremy would play over him just because Jeremy not only gives us athleticism on offense but on defense as well. He has the athletic ability to swat shots around the rim into the stands and snatch balls out of midair. That's a dimension you don't get with Lavoy. Overall you'd have a player backing up Thad Young who has a similarly strong athletic prowess. As opposed to a slower player with a lower motor. Jeremy at the backup 4 is simply a better match. Until Niang is ready.
            Depends on the match up. Evans doesn't have the body to set screens or go against larger body PFs. And he hasn't played enough to see how he rebounds. LaVoy isn't played for he's shooting. He is played for setting screens and rebounding. Hard to compare these two.
            Plus I see Evans more as a SF that will see playing time only when CJ is out

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            • #7
              Re: Jeremy Evans is very intriguing.

              Originally posted by jrwannabe View Post
              Depends on the match up. Evans doesn't have the body to set screens or go against larger body PFs. And he hasn't played enough to see how he rebounds. LaVoy isn't played for he's shooting. He is played for setting screens and rebounding. Hard to compare these two.
              Plus I see Evans more as a SF that will see playing time only when CJ is out

              We really need to move Stuckey. There's too many guards on the roster. Someone is gonna be left out and I'd rather see GRIII get time than Stuckey. CJ should be playing back up 2 unless Monta is moved to the bench upon which he'd slide to backup 3. Evans might need to bulk up a bit but I don't think him setting good screens will be that big of a deal. He should do fine, plus with his athleticism he can roll hard to the rim after setting the pick and finish with a dunk. Something Lavoy can't do. Lavoy can barely get off the ground. Plus there's that man Rakeem Christmas. We simply have better options than Lavoy.
              Last edited by Grimp; 08-16-2016, 07:38 PM.

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              • #8
                Re: Jeremy Evans is very intriguing.

                Originally posted by Grimp View Post
                We really need to move Stuckey. There's too many guards on the roster. Someone is gonna be left out and I'd rather see GRIII get time than Stuckey. CJ should be playing back up 2 unless Monta is moved to the bench upon which he'd slide to backup 3. Evans might need to bulk up a bit but I don't think him setting good screens will be that big of a deal. He should do fine, plus with his athleticism he can roll hard to the rim after setting the pick and finish with a dunk. Something Lavoy can't do. Lavoy can barely get off the ground. Plus there's that man Rakeem Christmas. We simply have better options than Lavoy.
                Yep, a guy another team paid us to take him away. And a guy that couldn't keep from fouling out in D-League play. Much better options than the guy the lead most of the season for +/- and the guy that PG said he like being on the court with.

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                  Re: Jeremy Evans is very intriguing.

                  Originally posted by jrwannabe View Post
                  Yep, a guy another team paid us to take him away. And a guy that couldn't keep from fouling out in D-League play. Much better options than the guy the lead most of the season for +/- and the guy that PG said he like being on the court with.
                  Did you see Lavoy in the playoffs? Gave us nothing... nada.

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                    Re: Jeremy Evans is very intriguing.

                    He was voted best teammate by his Mavericks teammates.

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                      Re: Jeremy Evans is very intriguing.

                      Originally posted by Grimp View Post
                      Did you see Lavoy in the playoffs? Gave us nothing... nada.
                      But he didn't commit 5 fouls in 6 minutes.

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                        Re: Jeremy Evans is very intriguing.

                        Originally posted by Grimp View Post
                        Did you see Lavoy in the playoffs? Gave us nothing... nada.
                        Did you see Jeremy in the playoffs? I'm playing with ya, he didn't even make the playoff roster.

                        I understand the anti-Lavoy position, but trying to some how use Lavoy's playoffs as a reason for Evans when he couldn't even make the playoff roster let alone start a few games is pretty....thin.
                        Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                          Re: Jeremy Evans is very intriguing.

                          Imagine what he could do with 60 hours of shooting.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Jeremy Evans is very intriguing.

                            The most intriguing thing about this is why he is still in the NBA?

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                            • #15
                              Re: Jeremy Evans is very intriguing.

                              I think he'll get some minutes. Not a lot, but I like the fit.

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