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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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  • #706
    Re: Purdue Athletics 2016-17

    Recruiting Your Culture

    written by Matt Painter


    There is not a coach in our business who does not want to win, and win big. Certainly there are many similarities among all programs, but there are also key differences in perspectives on the best way to put together a team and build a program.

    How many times do we, as coaches, ignore things in recruiting because we absolutely have to have a big man that year?

    Sometimes we overlook red flags in the quest for talent, and the baggage a recruit brings to campus ends up being more trouble than the recruit is worth. Yet, even after being burned a few times, many of us will still choose to take the talent and ignore the baggage. But do we have to?

    We all preach culture, but then we make it impossible to have a great one (or even good) if we have players who are incapable of functioning within the culture we work hard to create. I have an unbelievable job as the head coach at my alma mater – Purdue University. I am very fortunate to be in this position and try never to lose sight of that fact. We have been able to go to nine of the last 11 NCAA Tournaments. There are only 15 schools in the country that can make that claim (five schools have gone to all 11, four to 10 and nine to nine of the last 11). But, as any coach would understand, what eats at me is why didn’t we go to 11 out of 11? So, I spend a lot of time analyzing why we missed the tournament those two years.

    We had been able to build our program after an incredible 25-year run by Gene Keady. He’s a man I have tremendous respect for as a person and coach.

    When I became head coach, I had to establish myself with our team, recruits and fan base. There was a lot of work to do. In my first two years in West Lafayette, (one as an assistant coach and one as a head coach) we won 16 games. Total. We did the rebuild just like Coach Keady had done it with tough, hard-nosed guys that fit at Purdue. We recruited Carl Landry, David Teague, Chris Kramer, Ryne Smith, DJ Byrd, Keaton Grant, Lewis Jackson, E’Twaun Moore, JaJaun Johnson and Robbie Hummel and many more that we felt fit the culture we knew we needed to be successful. But then we (or more accurately, I) got away from that.

    We started hearing things in our locker room about starting and minutes and not about the main goal – winning. What do we all do when these things start to happen? We attempt to fix it. We have team meetings, individual meetings & clean up the sloppiness of our practices. This hopefully leads to everybody buying in and when you have the talent, the change and improvement can lead to more wins. But what does this lead to when you have younger guys who are not thinking of the team and won’t buy in? Usually more losses, and life becomes miserable. How did we get to this point? What do we do to get out of this rut?

    It is very hard to reshuffle the deck in our profession and keep our jobs. But after two losing seasons, we had to find out who we could “hang our hats” on to be our guys that were bought in and who could get us back to competing at the top of our league and going to the NCAA tournament. Instead of discussing what (and who) was wrong at this time, there was one big right in our equation: Rapheal Davis. He was the one guy that I thought was 100% about winning and that had the tools to do something about it. He worked hard, was a tremendous leader, came from a great family, and it ate at him when we struggled. He was bothered by it just as much as the coaches were. So, I took the captain title away from a couple of guys at the end of the first losing year that weren’t doing what they were supposed to and named Raphael a captain. I publicly blamed myself for the position our program was in at the end of our second losing season. But, I knew we had a start. A guy who could carry the torch for our program and lead by example and who would voice his opinion when the coaches were not present. There is nothing like hope in our profession. He gave us hope, and we built by adding some pieces (a great freshman class and a timely 5th year transfer) and subtracting others.

    The last three years we have added some high character guys who also have talent. And more importantly, we have walked away from recruiting guys who had tremendous talent but who we knew, deep down, just weren’t the right fit for the culture of our program. That has got us back in the tournament three-straight years, and we have finished third, third and first in our league. Our talent and character have both improved. The chemistry within our team is never perfect, but we have guys who try to fix it themselves when we hit rough patches. It actually helps us now when we face some adversity from time to time because it allows us to grow as a unit.

    We all do everything in our power to help our players with aspects of being a student-athlete in today’s world, but frankly there is little we can do that can compare to what has been instilled in them in the first 18 years of life before they get to us. The recruiting segment of “getting a Purdue guy” is the most important element in this equation. When I look at our teams, the common denominator in our winning seasons, and especially on those teams who took our program from last to third in the Big Ten in 2015, has been their willingness to be coachable, their upbringing and discipline to be a good teammate and player for Purdue.

    When you are able to recruit and have a team full of guys who fit your culture, you are able to do the things we all love. Focus on practice, teaching, game planning and hopefully winning. And at the end of the day, that’s why most of got into this profession.
    EDITOR’S NOTE

    Matt Painter is quite simply one of the very best in College Basketball. He has averaged 21 wins in his 12 seasons at Purdue and has registered 25 or more wins on 6 occasions. He first became a Head coach in 2003 at Southern Illinois where he went 25-5 and was named MVC Coach of the Year in his first year before being named Associate Head coach at his Alma Mater, Purdue, in 2004. He became Purdue’s Head coach in 2005. Matt has been named Big Ten Coach of the Year in 2008, 2010 and 2011.


    https://coach-speak.net/recruiting-y...-matt-painter/

    There's really nothing shocking or new here, other than how much he pretty much hated Ronnie Johnson w/o actually naming him, but you just don't usually get this kinda stuff from a HC at a major program. But strong shout out to Ray Day for doing what we all already knew he did.

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    • #707
      Re: Purdue Athletics 2016-17

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      • #708
        Re: Purdue Athletics 2016-17

        Brohm seems low key not too high on Blough

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        • #709
          Re: Purdue Athletics 2016-17

          Has to at least be a good sign that we're getting recruits left and right, correct?

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          • #710
            Re: Purdue Athletics 2016-17

            Originally posted by ECKrueger View Post
            Has to at least be a good sign that we're getting recruits left and right, correct?
            Still need to see if he's able to land a blue chipper every once in awhile. Not talking like #1 in the nation QB or anything, but if he can get to where we could get one or two kids a year that pick us over the 2nd tier powers, Penn State, Tennessee, Auburn, places like that, then we're in friggin great shape.

            Considering the dumpster fire he walked into and the late start he's doing pretty damn well. Right now he's got the 45th best class in the country, 10th in the conference. Hazell was always like 90+ and 13/14. Get that up to like mid 30s and top half of the conference we're in business.

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            • #711
              Re: Purdue Athletics 2016-17

              Only playing IU once again because the big ten is ****ing dumb. It's in Bloomington

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              • #712
                Re: Purdue Athletics 2016-17

                at his most recent presser Brohm got asked about Markell Jones and multiple times in like a minute said stuff about wanting him to prove that he "loves the game of football." reading between the lines, Jones is probably gonna get benched.

                he seems not necessarily a hardass but really, really demanding and is sorta realizing that most of these dudes friggin stink.

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                • #713
                  Re: Purdue Athletics 2016-17

                  ^rofl. But wasn't Jones like our one good player?

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                  • #714
                    Re: Purdue Athletics 2016-17




                    Stefanovic looks 13. Haas looks like a WWII propaganda poster.

                    Haarms isn't playing in these games btw, can't rep Team USA when you're not a citizen. Which I guesss makes sense.

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                    • #715
                      Re: Purdue Athletics 2016-17

                      I'm generally not one to whine about The Star's Purdue coverage, it doesn't get clicks and that's on us to fix.

                      But they're inside of a week of literally being Team USA and nothing.

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                      • #716
                        Re: Purdue Athletics 2016-17

                        Tonight's exhibition game in Carmel against Canada will be livestreamed on Facebook.

                        http://www.purduesports.com/sports/m...080917aaa.html

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                        • #717
                          Re: Purdue Athletics 2016-17

                          here's a replay link
                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymJrPBEuuYQ

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                          • #718
                            Re: Purdue Athletics 2016-17

                            Caleb lands a shoe deal with Nike


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                                Re: Purdue Athletics 2016-17

                                USA 89
                                Argentina 76


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