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    FireLarryBird.com

    It was for a short period one of the (working) URL's of this site.
    About all the others, which rarely come to the foreground no one ever speaks and rightly so, they are of no real consequence or importance.
    This one however.......


    Since it has become custom by some and accepted by others to insult my opinion on the game of basketball and the Indiana Pacers specifically I rarely post anymore, as do many others.
    If it comes to my opinion on Larry Bird, many seem to think I have an absurd kind of hatred for the man, however i don't.
    Do I like him as a human being? No.
    Those parts of his life that have become public are blatantly ugly, paint a picture any human being should be ashamed of, yet it is accepted by many here.


    Do I admire him as a basketball player,? Yes, no doubt about that he was one of the greatest of all time.

    Do i "admire" him as a coach? No not really, he did well. but as even he admitted to; he choose a strong staff that did most of the work, yet he was definitely a positive factor as a coach, yet the leaving after 3 year without bringing us that illustrious title made me think he may not have it all (what's needed to win that title) and he certainly wasn't prepared to "re-build" with the Pacers.
    And as such he was responsible for the "Zeke years".


    Do i admire him as a CEO/GM/president of basketball?
    A wholehearthed NO!

    He has made so many bad decisions that go all the way back to the JO/Artest era, that this is simply not the place to discuss, but anyone who wants to can always PM me, if you stay polite i will gladly talk about it.
    From a "human" and "business" point of view his handling of the Tinsley matter was beyond ugly and many a contract has been given to unproven (2nd round) picks that straight after failed like never before.
    He was in love with talent, so he gave Artest (yet) another chance, he was willing to do what Michael Jordan did, give heaps of money to Lance Stephenson, but Lance had "advisors" that advised him he should believe what LB said about him he was gonna be the best player wherever he went, so he would get a next contract that would be sooo much higher!
    We all know how that ended.


    So yes i have an issue with Mr. Bird and his decision(s) as I sincerfely fear that his insistence upon HIS idea that Paul George should play the 4 and the few of you agreeing with that "because he is paid to do a job and should just do it and shut up!"



    How any one can believe or support that kind of nonsense in a modern society is beyond me, slavery was abolished, all people have rights nowadays and if Paul George is unhappy in Indianapolis, chances are he will be playing elsewhere at the end of his contract, or sooner if her sees an out. I fear that may lead to another "Tinsley" period but this would not only cost more, repercussions would be much greater as well.


    I support the Pacers and have done for the best part of my life since the early 80s, some of you still doubt my loyalty and claim they are better fans because they are season ticket holders.
    Great, if I lived anywhere near, I would likely have a courtside seat, and that means what?
    Some of you called it "childish" I changed the URL, few were loud about it, most understood. And let me assure you it has nothing to do with "class" or "age",


    If you failed to see the point I was making and how i made it, well let me say at least I didn't do it over the phone, nor did you give me the chance of letting you wait in the uncomfortable chair outside my office.


    I fear for the future of our Pacers and even this board, and not because i changed the URL, i have very right and they (Pacers etc_) have no rights to any of my domains. Please try and find out what a frivolous law suit cost.
    I fear for the Pacers because of Larry Bird and I fear for this board because of intolerance and general deafness for other people's opinion, for the constant acts of bullying by the loudest, rudes and illiterate.
    When the new board opens, all current bans will be gone, because i chose to, not because we can't bring them across, but I think a new lay-out, new software etc is worth a new start, I assume most people prior banned have grown older and perhaps wiser, a branch of sorts, there ya go !


    as for Fire Larry Bird?


    I think Mr Simon should do it, preferably by phone!






    But that is MY opinoin
    So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

    If you've done 6 impossible things today?
    Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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    VNSLA COMING BACK?!?!

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    • #3
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      I thought it was funny.

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      • #4
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        Succeeding with a strong staff gets used against him, but not Vogel? That's fair.

        And Larry didn't completely take over until the 2007-08 season when JOB was hired. And he didn't have a 1st round pick because Donnie traded it for Al Harrington. The work he did from 2007-08 to 2010-11 gets massively overlooked by many people. He took over a dumpster fire with large contracts nobody wanted, no 1st round pick, and Shawne Williams. That turned into Vogel Lance PG Hansbrough (who was solid until the vertigo episode) and Hibbert, then G3 and D West. Then PG snapped his leg and Hibbert/West fell off a giant cliff. Then West opts out and Hibbert rightfully got traded for nothing (anybody actually watch him this past season? A third round pick would've been a steal). And this all without the luxury of spending what other teams spend because of an owner who doesn't want to go over a certain dollar amount.

        The above is nowhere near worthy of kicking Larry to the curb. But to each their own.

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        • #5
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          Originally posted by dgranger17 View Post
          That turned into Vogel Lance PG Hansbrough (who was solid until the vertigo episode) and Hibbert, then G3 and D West. Then PG snapped his leg and Hibbert/West fell off a giant cliff.
          So, Bird deserves credit for finding those players and coaches but doesn't deserve any criticism for trading them away or letting them go? That doesn't seem very fair either.

          Originally posted by dgranger17 View Post
          The above is nowhere near worthy of kicking Larry to the curb. But to each their own.
          Frank's performance was nowhere near worthy of being kicked to the curb either but it happened.
          Originally posted by IrishPacer
          Empty vessels make the most noise.

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          • #6
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            Able's site and he can name it what he damn well pleases.

            And i do agree with 99% of this.

            It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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            • #7
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              I don't really care about the change or if it stayed that way. I get the jest, just thought it was kind of tacky. No big deal at all though.

              I just find it interesting that most the hate for Bird comes from Granger, Hibbert and Vogel situations.

              But the Danny deal made sense, Hibbert was done and Bird is pretty much putting his job on the line over Vogel. And none of these guys would be associated with the franchise if not for Bird. So if you trusted his ability to get these people you love, then why not trust him to replace them, at least for now?

              To me, firing Vogel, a coach that is very dependable, is almost like Bird saying he can coach the team to more wins. How this offseason works out will define Bird's legacy as Pacers president.

              He has built 2 legit contenders in a small market, I think he's earned the benefit of the doubt to finish his current plan. It's really a win win. Either he delivers the next season or two, or he likely will be canned. What's not to like?

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                Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                Able's site and he can name it what he damn well pleases.

                And i do agree with 99% of this.
                Legal issues and questions not withstanding, you are correct. If Able decides he doesn't want to support the current iteration of the Pacers, or switch support to another team and rebrand this site, it's his decision. Or whether he wants to promote an agenda with the site. Those are his final decisions alone. He owns the site.
                Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                -John Wooden

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                • #9
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                  Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                  Able's site and he can name it what he damn well pleases.
                  Thats true. It's his site and he's allowed to make it worse. But it is a discussion board and if you change your site url to something controversial like that, people are probably going to discuss it.

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                  • #10
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                    Originally posted by freddielewis14 View Post
                    It's really a win win. Either he delivers the next season or two, or he likely will be canned. What's not to like?
                    Losing Paul George and then wasting a crapload of years before we can find a real star again.
                    Originally posted by IrishPacer
                    Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                    • #11
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                      Originally posted by freddielewis14 View Post
                      I don't really care about the change or if it stayed that way. I get the jest, just thought it was kind of tacky. No big deal at all though.

                      I just find it interesting that most the hate for Bird comes from Granger, Hibbert and Vogel situations.

                      But the Danny deal made sense, Hibbert was done and Bird is pretty much putting his job on the line over Vogel. And none of these guys would be associated with the franchise if not for Bird. So if you trusted his ability to get these people you love, then why not trust him to replace them, at least for now?

                      To me, firing Vogel, a coach that is very dependable, is almost like Bird saying he can coach the team to more wins. How this offseason works out will define Bird's legacy as Pacers president.

                      He has built 2 legit contenders in a small market, I think he's earned the benefit of the doubt to finish his current plan. It's really a win win. Either he delivers the next season or two, or he likely will be canned. What's not to like?
                      Well, if he fails, we just ditched one of the best young NBA coaches because of him.... Thats one thing not to like.

                      Getting rid of a fan favorite player, also easy not to like. Especially when the trade did backfire.

                      Treating a player like dogshit in the public, easy not to like.

                      It's pretty easy to understand why people don't like those things and aren't happy with Bird.

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                      • #12
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                        First I thought it was really funny. Secondly no one is forcing anyone to belong to the board or post on it. If someone doesn't like this board there are other boards.
                        Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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                          Originally posted by Bball View Post
                          Legal issues and questions not withstanding, you are correct. If Able decides he doesn't want to support the current iteration of the Pacers, or switch support to another team and rebrand this site, it's his decision. Or whether he wants to promote an agenda with the site. Those are his final decisions alone. He owns the site.
                          Sure, he owns the site and can do anything he wants with it. The use of the URL, however, could indeed be disputed. America has very strong and complicated intellectual property laws.

                          First, from NBA.com: The National Basketball Association ("NBA") name and logo and the names and logos of NBA.com and the NBA teams are the property of NBA Properties, Inc. and the member teams of the NBA.

                          Second, under the UDRP:

                          The UDRP is the Uniform Domain Name Dispute Resolution Policy, adopted by the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) on August 26, 1999. The UDRP is based on recommendations made by WIPO in the Report on the First WIPO Internet Domain Name Process, focusing on the problems caused by the conflict between trademarks and domain names. A number of further issues identified in that Report that were considered to be outside the scope of the First WIPO Process have been addressed in the subsequent Report of the Second WIPO Internet Domain Name Process. In the event that a trademark holder considers that a domain name registration infringes on its trademark, it may initiate a proceeding under the Uniform Domain Name Dispute Resolution Policy (UDRP). Under the standard dispute clause of the Terms and Conditions for the registration of a gTLD domain name, the registrant must submit to such proceedings.
                          The UDRP permits complainants to file a case with a resolution service provider, specifying, mainly, the domain name in question, the respondent or holder of the domain name, the registrar with whom the domain name was registered and the grounds for the complaint. Such grounds include, as their central criteria, the way in which the domain name is identical or similar to a trademark to which the complainant has rights; why the respondent should be considered as having no rights or legitimate interests in respect of the domain name that is the subject of the complaint; and why the domain name should be considered as having been registered and used in bad faith.
                          The respondent is offered the opportunity to defend itself against the allegations. The provider (eg: the WIPO Arbitration and Mediation Center) appoints a panelist who decides whether or not the domain(s) should be transfered.

                          So, was the URL used in bad faith? I don't know but the redirect from a *Pacer* website involved a sensitive topic in the organization and basically said the Simon's need to get their head out. The fact is, they may actually want more control over the messages being conveyed to hundreds if not thousands of hard core Pacer fans. They may also want to advertise on this site (you know, the NBA and Simons love $) and have it tied to their site more closely. All I am saying is be careful. Nothing may come of it, but IMO it wasn't a good idea.

                          Also, I would say the phishing warning is a major issue. The Pacers probably don't want to be viewed as enabling hackers. These are important issues that need addressed.
                          Last edited by BlueNGold; 05-07-2016, 03:13 PM.

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                            Originally posted by able View Post
                            Since it has become custom by some and accepted by others to insult my opinion on the game of basketball and the Indiana Pacers specifically I rarely post anymore, as do many others.
                            I, for one, appreciate your patience with all of us who at times turn our frustrations with the franchise into at best misguided attacks against those whom we disagree with including you. Nobody actually deserves that, least of all you as the owner, host, and master of this board.


                            Originally posted by able View Post
                            I support the Pacers and have done for the best part of my life since the early 80s, some of you still doubt my loyalty and claim they are better fans because they are season ticket holders.
                            Great, if I lived anywhere near, I would likely have a courtside seat, and that means what?
                            Some of you called it "childish" I changed the URL, few were loud about it, most understood. And let me assure you it has nothing to do with "class" or "age",
                            Again, without your generosity, patience, dedication, and highest level fandom this board doesn't exist and I for one thank you for providing this emotional outlet for the entire spectrum of what it means to be a Pacers fan. Our experience of the Pacers would be diminished without it.


                            Originally posted by able View Post
                            I fear for the future of our Pacers and even this board, and not because i changed the URL, i have very right and they (Pacers etc_) have no rights to any of my domains. Please try and find out what a frivolous law suit cost.
                            I fear for the Pacers because of Larry Bird and I fear for this board because of intolerance and general deafness for other people's opinion, for the constant acts of bullying by the loudest, rudes and illiterate.
                            When the new board opens, all current bans will be gone, because i chose to, not because we can't bring them across, but I think a new lay-out, new software etc is worth a new start, I assume most people prior banned have grown older and perhaps wiser, a branch of sorts, there ya go !
                            Thank you so much for continuing to strive to make this board even better than it has been technologically while making the conscious decision to allow banned posters to (I assume under their previous names) come back while hopefully encouraging more mature interaction from all of us past and present going forward. Were there a way to achieve it, someone should probably dub thee Sir Able - Most Honourable Knight of Pacers Digest. We appreciate your service, Sir!

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                            • #15
                              Re: FireLarryBird.com

                              Originally posted by ilive4sports View Post
                              Well, if he fails, we just ditched one of the best young NBA coaches because of him.... Thats one thing not to like.
                              Vogel is a good young coach, but he had some costly flaws. So it's not like he is irreplaceable.

                              Getting rid of a fan favorite player, also easy not to like. Especially when the trade did backfire.
                              I don't think the trade backfired, and if it did, the Pacers were still in a situation where they were paying a guy 1o + mill that was injured. Made sense to get able bodies.

                              Treating a player like dogshit in the public, easy not to like.

                              It's pretty easy to understand why people don't like those things and aren't happy with Bird.
                              Hibbert was treated fine and has nothing but good things to say about Larry.

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