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4/12/2016 Game Thread #81: Pacers vs. Knicks

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  • Re: 4/12/2016 Game Thread #81: Pacers vs. Knicks

    Wade with the nice drive and finish. If Caldwell-Pope hit that half court 3... he changed his shot by circling under someone's arm defending his shot just so he could get it off without being blocked and still almost made it.

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    • Re: 4/12/2016 Game Thread #81: Pacers vs. Knicks

      Originally posted by jrwannabe View Post
      J.Hill was having issues with his back. There has not been any medical reports. Also a couple weeks ago he took time off for personal reasons. Not sure what that was about
      I thought he was just moved down the rotation because Vogel was 'making changes'. Thought the back stuff was a non-issue.

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      • Re: 4/12/2016 Game Thread #81: Pacers vs. Knicks

        Originally posted by Grimp View Post
        Should trade for Derrick Williams in the off-season. He is exactly what we need at the 4, athletic, can shoot, and can run the floor.
        Good scouting but I think he can opt out and become FA

        Derrick would fit our team like a glove. Likes to run, athletic, mediocre shooter right now(great fit ), but he very well might become the next Marvin Williams, who was 0.304 from 3 in his first 5 seasons in the league. Williams is at 0.299.

        Talented guys like Evan, Derrick, Marvin, Michael are prooving right now that they are worth keeping an eye on, because one day they might start to get it.

        Derrick has never played for a playoff team. No reason to believe it wouldn't help his game at all playing next to better teammates.

        Reality is that our best chances to get a good stretch 4 are pretty much limited to trades or finding one ourselves with draft or by seeing a guy improve on the Pacers.

        Players like Marvin Williams and Nic Batum can only be seduced by throwing piles of money to them to make them come to Indiana.
        That's just the way it is, when you don't have a big market or a dominant player.

        Would love to be wrong on that last one though, PG

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        • Re: 4/12/2016 Game Thread #81: Pacers vs. Knicks

          Another player who might be on the verge of breaking out IMO is Jon Leuer. Also athletic, already a good 3 point shooter, not as versatile as Williams.

          Not sure about his health though. He seems to have some physical problems every now and then.

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          • Re: 4/12/2016 Game Thread #81: Pacers vs. Knicks

            Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
            In his defense, he's shooting over 40% from 3 for the year. He's been above 37% for 4 plus months. So he's been shooting pretty decently most of the year. He's just had two months where he really struggled from 3 (November -36%, February -almost 35%)
            Not to mention he's probably (Don't want to take the time and look at all the numbers individual, but the Pacers as a team shoot 40% so....) the best wide open shooter on the team. For wide open shots (defender 6ft+ away) he's shooting 49%. 44.8% wide open threes. His eFG% for wide open shots is 66%.

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            • Re: 4/12/2016 Game Thread #81: Pacers vs. Knicks

              Originally posted by MvPlumlee View Post
              Good scouting but I think he can opt out and become FA

              Derrick would fit our team like a glove. Likes to run, athletic, mediocre shooter right now(great fit ), but he very well might become the next Marvin Williams, who was 0.304 from 3 in his first 5 seasons in the league. Williams is at 0.299.

              Talented guys like Evan, Derrick, Marvin, Michael are prooving right now that they are worth keeping an eye on, because one day they might start to get it.

              Derrick has never played for a playoff team. No reason to believe it wouldn't help his game at all playing next to better teammates.

              Reality is that our best chances to get a good stretch 4 are pretty much limited to trades or finding one ourselves with draft or by seeing a guy improve on the Pacers.

              Players like Marvin Williams and Nic Batum can only be seduced by throwing piles of money to them to make them come to Indiana.
              That's just the way it is, when you don't have a big market or a dominant player.

              Would love to be wrong on that last one though, PG


              If Derrick opts out what do you think his market is? 7 per year? If he doesn't opt out we should trade for him. Something like our first round pick + Stuckey for Williams and Jerian Grant. Knicks will probably get Rondo or Conley in free agency. If so then they'd have Conley/Rondo and Tony Wroten, and Jerian Grant. Grant might become expendable. I prefer D. Williams over Marvin. Batum I would still go after for SG. But I am not a fan of Ryan Anderson as our PF. He's not athletic, often injured, and just had another surgery for a sports hernia.

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              • Re: 4/12/2016 Game Thread #81: Pacers vs. Knicks

                Originally posted by Grimp View Post
                If Derrick opts out what do you think his market is? 7 per year? If he doesn't opt out we should trade for him. Something like our first round pick + Stuckey for Williams and Jerian Grant. Knicks will probably get Rondo or Conley in free agency. If so then they'd have Conley/Rondo and Tony Wroten, and Jerian Grant. Grant might become expendable. I prefer D. Williams over Marvin. Batum I would still go after for SG. But I am not a fan of Ryan Anderson as our PF. He's not athletic, often injured, and just had another surgery for a sports hernia.
                Your suggestion in the past about going after Marvin Williams as a Stretch 4 / Tweener Forward actually makes sense and he's the much more well-rounded Player from both the offensive and defensive POV and likely more affordable than anyone else that we can get.

                But what is your fascination with Derrick Williams?

                Sure, Derrick Williams is an athletic PF....but he has averaged 43% from the field throughout his career, is a sub 30% 3pt shooter and as bad of a FT shooter as Mahinmi.

                What's funny is that you think that Mahinmi is useless on the offensive end of the floor.....yet you have no problem with going after another Big Man that is more useless than Mahinmi is.
                Last edited by CableKC; 04-13-2016, 06:55 PM.
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                • Re: 4/12/2016 Game Thread #81: Pacers vs. Knicks

                  Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                  What is your fascination with Derrick Williams? Sure, he's an athletic PF....but he has averaged 43% from the field, is a sub 30% 3pt shooter and as bad of a FT shooter as Mahinmi?

                  You think that Mahinmi is useless on the offensive end yet you have no problem with going after another Big Man that is more useless than Mahinmi is on the offensive end.


                  I watched him play most of the season with the Knicks. When they were winning he was getting good minutes. He brings energy and hustle. But from last night's game as you can see the guy can shoot the 3. The game prior to when the Knicks played us at MSG like two weeks ago? He was hot from 3 in that game too. He fits the ideal stretch 4 Larry would want. He is more than capable of hitting 5 3's in a quarter or a half.

                  We don't need a world beater there but someone who can legit space the floor. Plus play in transition. Williams is good at finishing around the rim and in transition. He's a 1 man fast break in most cases. It beats signing Ryan Anderson or Marvin Williams. Marvin is a good shooter but Derrick is more athletic and better in the open floor overall. I think it fits with whatever point guard we have next season. Williams can get quick points in transition because of his speed and athleticism.


                  Your stats are correct but he signed a "dice" contract last season. Gambling on himself like Lance did. Only his gamble paid off. http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...mself-Paid-Off

                  He's had a great season. I think at his age and with his health history which is quite good locking him in for 3 years with a T.O. for a fourth is a smart move for next season.
                  Last edited by Grimp; 04-13-2016, 07:08 PM.

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                  • Re: 4/12/2016 Game Thread #81: Pacers vs. Knicks

                    To each his own.....outside of his performance in the last month.....he's shown no consistency whatsoever throughout his career to this whole season...whether it be from the 3pt line or from anywhere else. Well, not enough for me to consider him a reliable Starting option at the 4 spot on a 2nd Tier Playoff level Team.
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                    • Re: 4/12/2016 Game Thread #81: Pacers vs. Knicks

                      Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                      To each his own.....outside of his performance in the last month.....he's shown no consistency whatsoever throughout his career to this whole season...whether it be from the 3pt line or from anywhere else. Well, not enough for me to consider him a reliable Starting option at the 4 spot on a 2nd Tier Playoff level Team.
                      Beats LaVoy though. CJ physically can't handle that gig, which is fine. I think he's done pretty well for the NYK this season. Considering Porzingis was annointed the starting PF spot over him, then the coach was fired, etc. The Knicks also expect Afflalo to opt out as well. I'd be interested in him as a backup SG.

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                      • Re: 4/12/2016 Game Thread #81: Pacers vs. Knicks

                        Originally posted by Grimp View Post
                        Beats LaVoy though. CJ physically can't handle that gig, which is fine. I think he's done pretty well for the NYK this season. Considering Porzingis was annointed the starting PF spot over him, then the coach was fired, etc. The Knicks also expect Afflalo to opt out as well. I'd be interested in him as a backup SG.
                        If you are simply talking about Derrick Williams as a backup PF option.....ok...fine, I guess

                        But as a Starting PF on a Team that you want to convince PG13 to stay beyond the 2017-2018 season? No way.
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                        • Re: 4/12/2016 Game Thread #81: Pacers vs. Knicks

                          Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                          If you are simply talking about Derrick Williams as a backup PF option.....ok...fine, I guess

                          But as a Starting PF on a Team that you want to convince PG13 to stay beyond the 2017-2018 season? No way.
                          We can't afford to have stars at every position though. I just think his skill-set fits that position. I mean the Cavs have experimented with Tristan and Mozgov at center. Hardly stars. But they've put star money into the PF/PG/SF positions, with JR Smith (again not a star) at the SG position. so they had to skimp somewhere. Williams is serviceable. Young, athletic, and spaces the floor. He fits Larry's new blueprint.

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                          • Re: 4/12/2016 Game Thread #81: Pacers vs. Knicks

                            Derrick is around .700 frow the free throw line. For me that is good enough. He can still improve. Mahinmi has to be somewhere in the .600 and I doubt he will start for us beyond next season if he gets re-signed.

                            If Williams doesn't opt out, it means that the market for him is almost non existant and that no other GMs believe in him.
                            If a GM would be interested in him, he can easily offer him more money than 5M with the cap rise and teams striking out on their first options.
                            The Pacers have a gap at PF position, the Knicks have Porzingod. I'd say if he is on Larry's list, now is the time to make a move.

                            He is without a doubt a talented player, if they are waiting for him to become a better player, it might be already too late.
                            I have no clue what he could possible fetch in free agency though. There will be dozens of surprises again in FA where you think wow that's way too much.

                            About his 3 point shooting. Someone like Tobias Harris also upped his percentages when he got traded to the Pistons, who are a better team than the Magic but I wouldn't exactly call them a good shooting team. I see no reason to believe Derrick can't up his when he gets to play for a playoff team for the first time in his career. We designed our team to play with a stretch four. CJ Miles was killing it early on. Myles too until both of them hit a wall.

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