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    This pretty much sums up all my feelings towards Stern

    http://www.boston.com/sports/basketb..._holds_ground/

    ON BASKETBALL
    Face to face with Pacers, Stern holds ground
    By Peter May, Globe Staff | April 26, 2005

    The commissioner of the NBA, the man who last November summarily destroyed the very legitimate NBA aspirations of the Indiana Pacers, got a first-hand look at his fin de saison handiwork last night.

    Not surprisingly, David Stern chose to see the Pacers in Boston. Not surprisingly, the Pacers say he has not been to Conseco Fieldhouse since he suspended Ron Artest for the season, while also whacking Jermaine O'Neal (25 games) and Stephen Jackson (30 games) for their roles in the hideous Nov. 19 brawl in Auburn Hills, Mich. O'Neal's suspension was reduced to 15 games by an arbitrator, not by Stern.

    "I don't think he wants to come to Indiana," Jackson said before last night's game. "He's here to see some good basketball, to see two teams at the top of their game. He's not going to see anything crazy. We all regret what happened. But he's the boss. He has to do what he has to do."

    Before the game, Stern had a long and very public chat with O'Neal on the floor. The subject of a minimum age for NBA players -- which O'Neal has objected to -- came up. Asked later if he could have sent a better message by attending Game 3 or 4 in Indianapolis, Stern said, "It never came up one way or the other. I had a nice visit with Jermaine, but I haven't looked at the schedule that closely."

    This is a man who misses nothing. Jackson is right; Stern isn't wanted in Indiana, except, perhaps, for franchise-cide.

    "I'd like to think of a better legal term for it, but that's basically what it probably was," Pacers president Donnie Walsh said last night. "But it was a difficult decision for David to get out of."

    Stern recently acknowledged that his relationship with Pacers owners Herb and Mel Simon was not as close as it once was, although he backtracked on that last night, saying that he met with Herb Simon at last week's Board of Governors meeting in New York and "I think he understands a little better."

    Sure he does.

    The commissioner continued, "It's painful to do something that hurts an asset that an old friend and a loyal league supporter has. If you're not prepared to do what's right, then you've got a problem holding this job. You don't expect that everyone will think it's right. This is something that reasonable people can disagree about. But you've got do what you've got do."

    Stern didn't hurt the Pacers -- he eviscerated them. And he gave them no chance to win a championship this season. This wasn't the Hawks or the Hornets he was dealing with. This was a team that could have won it all -- and now has what Reggie Miller correctly calls a "puncher's chance" to merely get out of the first round.

    Walsh said he made two trips to New York in an effort to get the suspensions reduced. Basketball boss Larry Bird accompanied Walsh, but not even his luminary presence -- as in, he helped save Stern's league 20 years ago -- made any impact.

    While no one condones what Artest, Jackson, and O'Neal did on that night, as Bird put it recently, "It was like we took the brunt of everything that happened. Our players went into the stands. They should never do that. [But it] seems like everything was thrown on us. It's hurt our franchise. It's something that's going to be hard to overcome."

    In immediate basketball terms, it's impossible. The Pacers began the season as a very serious title threat. The suspensions basically ended their season of high expectations, if not their season altogether. Jackson is back. O'Neal is back, although he's hurt and reluctant to practice until he feels 100 percent. Artest is, well, who knows where Artest is? He is allowed to travel and practice with the team, but he can't go to games. (The league graciously granted him a reprieve to attend last Wednesday's regular-season finale in Indiana honoring Reggie Miller.)

    "He does help us during practice," said Walsh. "He's in great shape."

    No one can say what a healthy, contributing Artest would mean to the Pacers (although do you think he would have helped hold Paul Pierce to fewer than 33 points last night?). Chances are they still wouldn't have enough to beat the Pistons or Heat (or maybe even the Celtics), especially with O'Neal's sore right shoulder and Jamaal Tinsley's left foot. The fans in Indiana aren't convinced, but Stern had nothing to do with those.

    Stern also had nothing to do with Miller's decision to call it a career. It's just a shame that after so many great seasons, Miller is leaving with no real chance to win his first title when, on Nov. 18, he had an excellent chance. Stern made his decision. He had to do something and he had to do it in a forceful way.

    But the message still could have been delivered had he reinstated Artest after the All-Star Game. Or after the trading deadline. Or for the postseason.

    One of these days, Stern will make it back to Conseco and the Pacers might not have to call out the Indiana National Guard for extra security. The guess here is that the good folks of Indiana will show him a measure of forgiveness that he refused to show Artest.

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    "...One of these days, Stern will make it back to Conseco and the Pacers might not have to call out the Indiana National Guard for extra security. The guess here is that the good folks of Indiana will show him a measure of forgiveness that he refused to show Artest."



    And then again, maybe we won't.

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    I didn't think Ticketmaster sold tickets to out-of-state "fans".
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    Those last replies just reminded me. Wasn't last year's slogan for the NBA (or maybe it was NBATV), "It's FAN-TASTIC"! Irony post 11/19. They should hire Ronnie to bring that slogan back. "The NBA brings the action to you!"

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    Stern can **** himself.
    Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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    I know everybody is gonna fawn over this article, and on the surface, it's very good. I have one problem, though.

    WHERE WAS THIS ARTICLE A COUPLE MONTHS AGO!!!!!!

    Seriously, if more media heavy hitters like May had written stuff like this when it mattered, there'd have been more pressure on Stern to let Artest back in. But as it is, this is little more than a Kravitz article, albeit better written. It's just a pointless riff, an article that wrote itself, a shot taken at an easy target well after there's any point besides beating a column deadline. It's the equivalent of protesting the death penalty only after the injection has been given.
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    Stern still vastly overreacted and made the wrong decision. He had plenty of time to fix that oversight and chose instead to **** us. So, Stern...**** YOU.

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    Hey Shade, is that Diablo in your avatar? I'm talking about the computer game...

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    "...One of these days, Stern will make it back to Conseco and the Pacers might not have to call out the Indiana National Guard for extra security. The guess here is that the good folks of Indiana will show him a measure of forgiveness that he refused to show Artest."
    He can't be that stupid can he? Maybe he is.

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    Stern doesn't know forgiveness. I hope someday the Karmic scale tips the other way and he has pay a price for his selfishness.
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    Hey Shade, is that Diablo in your avatar? I'm talking about the computer game...
    That is Venom in Shade's avatar; popular 90's Spider-Man villian.

    Diablo is more like this:

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    I wish venom would actually be used for a Spidy movie

    though that might have some unhappy people....

    Venom was sooo awesome
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    The guess here is that the good folks of Indiana will show him a measure of forgiveness that he refused to show Artest.
    My guess is the Commish will not show up at a Pacers game in the next five years. If he does, the reception he gets from partisans will be more negative than was the draft selection of Reggie Miller over Steve Alford.

    Only this time the fans will have gotten it right.

    I don't think I could make myself clap politely for Stern, a man otherwise I actually respect. Stern penalized Artest and the Pacers too harshly; he knows it; and the only reason he didn't change the penalty was because it would have caused him and the league a considerable amount of discomfort.

    I believe Stern stuck with an unnecessarily harsh and needlessly hasty decision out of expediency and it is my duty to let him know how I feel any chance I get.

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    I wish venom would actually be used for a Spidy movie

    though that might have some unhappy people....

    Venom was sooo awesome
    Many fans have wanted that, and from what I'm hearing it might be true (though I've also heard something completely different; last I read both rumors seemed equally believed). I liked Venom, but for a live-action movie they'd either have to really change his look, or else he'd look stupid as some all-CGI thing.

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    Many fans have wanted that, and from what I'm hearing it might be true (though I've also heard something completely different; last I read both rumors seemed equally believed). I liked Venom, but for a live-action movie they'd either have to really change his look, or else he'd look stupid as some all-CGI thing.
    The problem is, oh, what's his name, the guy who's making the movies, has repeatedly stated that he hates Venom and won't do it.
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