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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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Random Game 2 Thoughts from our seats at the FleetCenter...

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  • Random Game 2 Thoughts from our seats at the FleetCenter...

    ...or "How BC and SR survived their night surrounded by a Sea of Celtics Green"

    Well, I finally made it home after tonight's tense win in the FleetCenter. I'm tired, my throat is sore from cheering on the Pacers, but damn it feels good to walk out of a very grumpy arena listening to the Celtics fans b*tch about the game that got away from them. Here's a few of my thoughts and observations from tonight's game:

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    There's nothing like a $25 dollar event parking fee that makes one appreciate just how expensive it is to go to games out here. It's a good thing the Celtics aren't actually popular in this town (compared to the Red Sox and Patriots), or I might have had to take out a loan to pay for tonight's outing.

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    The number of Pacers fans at tonight's game was actually higher than I thought it would be after Saturday night's disaster. I didn't actually count how many their were, but if they were all together in the section we sat in it would've been quite a nice little area of Blue and Gold in the sold out FleetCenter. SR and I talked before the game to a family of Pacers fans decked out in team jerseys (including Grandma who was wearing an Artest jersey of all things! ) who sat a few rows below us. I also passed the "Sign Guy" while walking through the arena, but unfortunately didn't get a chance to speak with him, I've always wanted to!

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    One thing I will say for the Boston fans - they are very loud , and they do come to the game decked out in team colors. It's like a freaking St. Patrick's day event, minus the green beer... well, ok there was plenty of beer around, just not green.

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    I saw David Stern being interviewed on the sidelines before the game and a perverse thought came to my mind: if I threw a beer at him, would he run up into the stands and threaten to hit me (or mistakenly threaten a guy next to me that he thought threw the beer)? Oh, the temptation...

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    Pierce and Walker in Game 1: 12 & 13 pts respectively, along with big contributions from the bench = Big Boston Win. Pierce and Walker in Game 2: 33 & 19 pts respectively, but no one else in double figures for the Celts = close Pacers win. Hey Doc Rivers, if you want to limit Al Jefferson to just 9 minutes per game the rest of this series, that's ok with me!

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    Regarding the bench, it is amazing just how flat the Celtics are when their young guys can't bring the energy like they did in the first game. Part of that was definitely due to the way the Pacers played Boston's 2nd teamers - Jefferson and Davis got doubled and tripled several times, and in Jefferson's case his inability to figure out how to pass out of the double team effectively definitely led to the short minutes he saw tonight.

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    It was a real pleasure to watch Reggie put on the offensive show that he had in the 1st half, and in general show what he's learned in his 18 years of NBA experience. I loved hearing the Celtics fans around us groan as he hit big shot after big shot, and I remember hearing one exasperated fan behind us say to his buddy "The guy is unbelievable!" as Reggie lost his man on one of his patented moves for a score. Reggie, thanks for another great playoff memory!

    ***

    I'm sure there are other things that I've forgotten about tonight's game, and I may post them later if I think of them. I'll remind SR to post some of her own game thoughts...
    Your horse is dead, get off it already...

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    Re: Random Game 2 Thoughts from our seats at the FleetCenter...

    Thanks BC! I thought you were at the game, but wasn't sure.

    What did the Celts fans think of the officiating? My friend is going to give me all kinds of crap for Reggie kicking his foot out, although Pierce got calls that were just as favorable.
    This space for rent.

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      Re: Random Game 2 Thoughts from our seats at the FleetCenter...

      nice recap!
      did you get my message?

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        Re: Random Game 2 Thoughts from our seats at the FleetCenter...

        That bench of theirs is, like you put it, full of young guys. For many, this is their first playoff experience. They are coming into it with no prior experience and just feed off the crowd's energy. Fortunately for us, we kept things close and never really allowed their young guys to feed off a rowdy crowd. And even better, we're taking things back to Indiana.

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          Re: Random Game 2 Thoughts from our seats at the FleetCenter...

          Originally posted by JSmoove
          nice recap!
          did you get my message?
          Just read your PM, JSmoove, I've send a reply back in a bit.
          Your horse is dead, get off it already...

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            Re: Random Game 2 Thoughts from our seats at the FleetCenter...

            Originally posted by Anthem
            Thanks BC! I thought you were at the game, but wasn't sure.

            What did the Celts fans think of the officiating? My friend is going to give me all kinds of crap for Reggie kicking his foot out, although Pierce got calls that were just as favorable.
            As you can imagine, they were incensed everytime the refs called a foul against the guys guarding Reggie. But as one of the Celtics radio guys pointed out after the game, "He's done that for 18 years, why is anyone surprised?"
            Your horse is dead, get off it already...

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              Re: Random Game 2 Thoughts from our seats at the FleetCenter...

              cool...just lmk about that stuff

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                Re: Random Game 2 Thoughts from our seats at the FleetCenter...

                Welcome to the boards by the way, JSmoove.

                Are you a Hawks fan?!?

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                  Re: Random Game 2 Thoughts from our seats at the FleetCenter...

                  Originally posted by rcarey
                  That bench of theirs is, like you put it, full of young guys. For many, this is their first playoff experience. They are coming into it with no prior experience and just feed off the crowd's energy. Fortunately for us, we kept things close and never really allowed their young guys to feed off a rowdy crowd. And even better, we're taking things back to Indiana.
                  Yup. We've seen our bench in their place... now let's see their bench in our place.
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                    Re: Random Game 2 Thoughts from our seats at the FleetCenter...

                    I would say my random thought for the game is what a lovely b-day gift hehehehe!

                    ...that and there is nothing like having Celts fans glare at you as you walk out of the arena in your blue and gold jersey with a big smile!

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                      Re: Random Game 2 Thoughts from our seats at the FleetCenter...

                      Sooo... SuperReggie. I'm looking at your avatar, and I have to ask.

                      Which one is you and which is your dad?
                      This space for rent.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Random Game 2 Thoughts from our seats at the FleetCenter...

                        Hahaha! I have no idea who those ladies are.

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                          Re: Random Game 2 Thoughts from our seats at the FleetCenter...

                          Sorry I couldn't attend. My wife had to work last night, so I had 3 kids to put to bed.

                          Nobody has ever recieved shorter bedtime stories in the history of Earth.

                          This morning on Boston radio the demons are:

                          1) Doc Rivers (why did Al Jefferson not play in the 2nd half?? Why go small??)
                          2) Mark Blount-- he's the absolute stiff who should have sat for Jefferson
                          3) Ricky Davis-- If you talk, you'd better back it up.
                          4) Gary Payton-- this post-up crap just stagnates the offense, and with the small lineup he got abused by Anthony Johnson down the stretch.
                          5) Raef- If you take away his 3's, can't he still do SOMETHING on offense?

                          Some callers griped about the refs, but it was pretty much dismissed.
                          The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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                            Re: Random Game 2 Thoughts from our seats at the FleetCenter...

                            Two thoughts come to mind. The Pacers did a great job on Ricky Davis. Freddie was all over him and so was the other Pacers who defended him. Davis is the key to the celtics, if he is a non-factor the Celts will likely lose.

                            Celtics starters are a low energy group if they don't get a spark off their bench they tend to grind to a halt

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