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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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    Nobody is gonna got fired or traded

    None of the important ones that is.

    Once upon a time in Indianapolis a basketball legend and a coach decided in a meeting that time had come to change the direction of their basketball team.
    Frank, the coach, and Larry, the legend, decided that their team would have to be able, not the grumpy one, to score more points and they mentioned Atlanta and Boston as good examples of what they were aiming to do.

    Larry, eager as always, decided not to waste any time and drafted this promising, young Kid out of Texas.
    But a big mean old chap, let's call him David, had heard about these rumors that his team was looking to play a faster pace, got scared, shitted his Pacers pants, took them off and caught the first train to the lands of the Alamo, where he knew great history had taken place and where he knew he could rest his old legs more often.

    Larry, even though he really wanted to lay down and cry on his bed for an entire week, knew he had to replace this David chap. His scoring ability, his whining to the refs, but foremost his leadership and experience. He made a call to one of his best friends, let's call him Ricky, and asked him if he knew anyone and Larry also mentioned he was desperate.
    "Monta..." is all what Ricky said. "If you want a guy with experience and you are desperate, Monta is your guy," he proceeded. "Just don't have him take too many shots" Ricky ended and hang up.

    Aware of the differences between David and Monta, Larry knew he would have a difficult remaining task to convince the better free agents to come and play for a team in transition and he decided to reward the players who wanted to stick around and to give roster spots to some young potential rotation players. All while maintaining some flexibility to achieve the most important goal: get some bigs who can hit down 3s just like Horford, Scott, Millsap, Sullinger, Olynyk.

    Because that is what he and Frank are aiming for and what is currently lacking, besides a 19 years old kid.
    Which is easier said than done. He and Frank knew that they can't just add 3 point specialists if they are too much of a liability defensively. Rudez had to pack his bags.

    The season began. CJ Miles accepted the impossible task of a SG defending power forwards but he was glad he could start on a team with Ellis, PG and Stuckey.
    Paul George was all over the place on the court after a year of inactivity to show everyone he was back. The Pacers were hot.
    Part of the reason why they were hot is because teams had to adapt to our offense, but the potential on offense of a possible lineup with bigs with range revealed itself right there.

    Defending PFs combined with the faster pace eliminated the best out of CJ and PG hit the wall of coming back after 1 year inactivity. Monta had to take more shots, Allen had to start. All of that together with our hot start lead to us being exactly where we should be: one leg in the playoffs. 2 teams with a 2015 lottery pick are better than the Pacers: Pistons and Heat. Much better? No. 1.5 games

    We are trying to play like Atlanta and Boston but we don't have the bigs just yet to do it. Mahinmi has been great to us, but even he isn't the type of player that will take us to the next level offensively. We have cap room, we have 3 project young bigs, we have assets to trade, we just have to be patient until the right big with range comes along and we can snatch him. Even with a guy like Jon Leuer we could improve the 4 position.

    For me, the Pacers are exactly where I thought they would be and we could have done much worse in terms of financial flexibility.
    Monta Ellis isn't a great signing but once we get bigs that can hit threes and he can get back to distributing the rock and cut back on his shot attempts, his contract will look fine under the new cap. I wouldn't have made a trade either. We got plenty of options: Horford, Christmas, Anderson, Leuer, Meyers, Whittington, M Williams, Barnes, Batum. The year after that: Ibaka, Scott, Tucker, Millsap or Gallinari perhaps.

    Bird isn't gonna fire a coach he has given very few big men to work with to get the offense going they had in mind and Bird isn't going to trade a leader of a lockerroom full of players who need to grow up (including his star player). We are just taking our first steps in a brand new philisophy and we will have many more to take if we want this to succeed.
    Dutch Bird and Ellis are keys to our success and shouldn't be given up until we know what they can do when more fitting pieces are added to the puzzle.
    Ellis fits in as the ball handler who gets space inside or open players outside to pass to when one of our bigs spreads the floor. 30 years old Ellis needs a Miles hitting 3s or a Nowitzki next to him. And we need Vogel to maintain a good defensive identity when we are looking for stretch bigs.

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    Re: Nobody is gonna got fired or traded

    I think to myself what the run of posts would have been through the season had we reversed the months. If we'd started out poorly but improved and were just now riding the November record, there would be people claiming the championship. We know this because people were starting to buy into contender status after November as it was.

    I hope to see a turnaround after the AS break. It might involve a tweak trade, but this team is not known for doing such things.
    BillS

    A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
    Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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    • #3
      Re: Nobody is gonna got fired or traded

      FIRE MvPlumlee!


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      • #4
        Re: Nobody is gonna got fired or traded

        Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
        FIRE MvPlumlee!
        I think he has some value on the trade market. Maybe we could ship him off in a package with Grimp to a Lakers blog in exchange for Laker's Hibbert specialist?
        Danger Zone

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        • #5
          Re: Nobody is gonna got fired or traded

          I agree, I don't see us making any trades mainly because I don't think we have the assets to trade. This summer, we will have cap space and will be able to make trades or chase Free Agents.

          I think if we stabilize our starting lineup and rotations and define what roles players will have, we will improve. Frank has started going with GHill; Ellis; PG13; Mahinmi and Allen more lately. I would like to see Turner replace Allen, but as long as our starting lineup is consistent, it should help.

          I think you have hit the nail on the head with Monta. I think he can do pretty well at PG if he focuses on distributing the ball instead of shooting. Of course in order for him to be effective doing this, we need more offensive weapons. GHill should take the role of SG and be our primary 3 point shooter at this time.

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          • #6
            Re: Nobody is gonna got fired or traded

            Originally posted by Rogco View Post
            I think he has some value on the trade market. Maybe we could ship him off in a package with Grimp to a Lakers blog in exchange for Laker's Hibbert specialist?
            I'm afraid we'd have to package a new poster draft pick to get someone to take Grimp. Maybe a second rounder, though I think we could swap a first rounder for a grumpy Pop hater from a Spurs board and parlay that into a high-volume Warriors blogger if we add a second-rate snark poster and some cash.
            BillS

            A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
            Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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            • #7
              Re: Nobody is gonna got fired or traded

              Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
              FIRE MvPlumlee!
              I agree. Posting anything Journey is absolutely a fireable offense.

              #JourneySucks #SoDoesWhoeverBookedThemForCarbDay
              "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

              "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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              • #8
                Re: Nobody is gonna got fired or traded

                I can see us making a trade, depending on who becomes available. Some sort of shooter or a 4, depending on how stubborn Bird is about small ball.

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                • #9
                  Re: Nobody is gonna got fired or traded

                  Originally posted by Sandman21 View Post
                  I agree. Posting anything Journey is absolutely a fireable offense.

                  #JourneySucks #SoDoesWhoeverBookedThemForCarbDay
                  Journey sucks? Not with Steve Perry they didn't. They had one of the best drummers, guitar players, and singers around.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Nobody is gonna got fired or traded

                    Originally posted by presto123 View Post
                    Journey sucks? Not with Steve Perry they didn't. They had one of the best drummers, guitar players, and singers around.
                    Neal Schoen is a legendary guitar player.


                    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                    • #11
                      Re: Nobody is gonna got fired or traded

                      I stand by my words. Journey sucks.
                      "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                      "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                      • #12
                        Re: Nobody is gonna got fired or traded

                        Originally posted by Sandman21 View Post
                        I stand by my words. Journey sucks.
                        Cmon, Faithfully is a great song!
                        Danger Zone

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                        • #13
                          Re: Nobody is gonna got fired or traded

                          Originally posted by Rogco View Post
                          Cmon, Faithfully is a great song!
                          That's probably what he hates about them. The sappy ballads. Journey can rock with the best of them though.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Nobody is gonna got fired or traded

                            Does anyone here remember the ska band Johnny Socko from Bloomington? They had some WWJD (What Would Journey Do) concerts that kicked ***.
                            Danger Zone

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                            • #15
                              Re: Nobody is gonna got fired or traded

                              Originally posted by Sandman21 View Post
                              I stand by my words. Journey sucks.
                              The only way I can understand your point of view here would be by asking you for a band that does not suck?


                              Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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