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  • Do the Pacers owe Reggie an apology as Kravitz says

    http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...504200413/1088

    This team owes its superstar an apology

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    The night will be overflowing with warmth and fuzziness, awash in kind words and fond memories. The Pacers, a model franchise until this most recent season, will send Reggie Miller out with class and dignity. And Miller, a model player and teammate all the way to the end, will say all the right things, and remind us why he's the most special athlete ever to come through Indianapolis.

    What won't be said, though, needs to be said, at least by somebody:

    The Pacers -- from the top of management down to some of Miller's teammates -- have absolutely done Miller dirty with their indecision, poor judgment and general immaturity throughout this strange and uneven season.

    It's like this:

    Miller, who thought about retiring after last season, should have been given every opportunity to win a title in his final season.

    But Larry Bird, who knew he dodged a bullet last season with Ron Artest and understood his talented but troubled star needed to be moved sooner rather than later, could not and did not get it done.

    The result, then, came as no surprise.

    From the moment Ron Artest made that fateful decision to respond to a plastic cup by running into the stands Nov. 19 in Auburn Hills, Mich., Miller's chance for a championship was doomed.

    The blue-and-gold true believers will continue to believe their own fiction. They will continue to blame it all on Ben Wallace. They will continue to blame it on the knucklehead whose eerily accurate cup toss hit Artest. They will continue to blame commissioner David Stern, who did the only thing he could do if he was serious about maintaining his league's credibility. If they could, they would blame it all on Bob Lanier and Dave Bing.

    Granted, nobody covered themselves with glory on the night that introduced us to the term "vomitorium." But in the end, it was up to the Pacers to stay above the fray, and instead, they got down in the muck, threw punches and brandished dustpans and let a couple of drunks destroy not only their championship season, but Uncle Reggie's final chance for a title.

    Do I hear any apologies?

    Publicly, I've heard none.

    Maybe there's been a private moment when Artest or somebody else has gone to Miller and said, "Reg, we're sorry about how this all came down. You deserved better."

    But I doubt it.

    Now, if you're waiting for Miller to bring up that subject, it's going to be a long, fruitless wait. This guy is not only one of the game's great scorers and leaders, but he's one of the greatest teammates in professional sports. He has not once suggested, publicly or privately, he was betrayed by management and a handful of players this season.

    But I'll say it.

    The fact is, Miller, one of the last loyal men in sports, should not be playing in tonight's regular-season finale for a chance to finish sixth in the Eastern Conference rather than seventh. (Against Boston, they have a puncher's chance. Against Detroit, they have no chance, although the TV ratings should go through the roof.)

    This isn't why he came back for one more season.

    And yet even as the season began circling the drain in the weeks and months after the brawl, it was Miller who re-emerged as Indiana's most dominant player, its ultimate pro. He could have gone in the tank and wondered aloud why he didn't go someplace else to chase a championship; that's what everybody else does, right? Instead, Miller started playing like it was 1999, willing this team to the playoffs, even if they're currently limping to the finish.

    "I feel like I've won the lottery," he said after a win over the Nets ensured a playoff spot.

    Now, as he leaves the scene -- in a week, maybe two -- we are left to wonder where the Pacers are supposed to find their next Miller.

    We know it's not Artest. We know it's not Stephen Jackson, who can be great one night and a hopelessly immature hothead the next. We know it's not Jamaal Tinsley or Jonathan Bender. (Remember them?)

    Clearly, Jermaine O'Neal will be the face of the franchise, but there's still some question whether he can be its heart and soul. He says all the right things, and most of the time he does the right things. But there is still the hint of the diva in him. He still has too many moments when he -- gasp -- acts his still-tender age of 26. O'Neal has grown tremendously, both physically and mentally, since he arrived here, so he, more than anybody on the roster, has a chance to recall Miller as a leader and a teammate.

    But not yet.

    So Uncle Reggie gets to say one of his last goodbyes tonight, and the Pacers need to pray it's after a victory over the Bulls, which would give them a shot at Boston rather than Detroit. What won't be said, though, is the one thing that should be said, whether it's public or in private.

    Simply this:

    We're sorry.

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    Re: Do the Pacers owe Reggie an apology as Kravitz says

    I'd be very surprised if Larry and Donnie haven't spoken to Reggie in PRIVATE and expressed regret that they had not traded the ticking time bomb when they had the chance, expressed appreciation for his leadership, and asked him his opinion on whether Ron Artest is salvageable.

    They must be gathering opinions on whether teammates want Ron back or not. They are not stupid.

    They should never hint at that line of inquiry publicly, but they had better be asking all of the leaders in the locker room near-past, present, and near-future about the relative risk-reward of having Ron around, if you presume that he cannot help from reverting to the nutcase he has been for years now.
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      Re: Do the Pacers owe Reggie an apology as Kravitz says

      The only person who owes Reg an apology is Ron, if he hasn't already. He owes the team, the organization and the fans an apology as well. I haven't heard one as of yet, but maybe I missed it.

      As for this comment:

      Originally posted by Kravitz
      But Larry Bird, who knew he dodged a bullet last season with Ron Artest and understood his talented but troubled star needed to be moved sooner rather than later, could not and did not get it done.
      They tried, Bob, they tried. Not once, but on at least three separate occasions. Management's only mistake or miscalculation, in hindsight, was that they tried to get equal value for him, although if the Peja trade had gone through, there would be people here who would argue that we did get the lesser deal—I wouldn't have been one of them.

      The blue-and-gold true believers will continue to believe their own fiction. They will continue to blame it all on Ben Wallace. They will continue to blame it on the knucklehead whose eerily accurate cup toss hit Artest. They will continue to blame commissioner David Stern, who did the only thing he could do if he was serious about maintaining his league's credibility. If they could, they would blame it all on Bob Lanier and Dave Bing.
      Kravitz obviously lurks here.

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      • #4
        Re: Do the Pacers owe Reggie an apology as Kravitz says

        I think they owe him one privately, for the exact reasons Harmonica mentioned. They wanted "equal value" for Ron but they were, in fact, overestimating Ron's real "fair market value".
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        Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
        Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
        Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
        And life itself, rushing over me
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          Re: Do the Pacers owe Reggie an apology as Kravitz says

          Maybe the best-written article I've read from the Star all season long. I may pull an "Anthem" and write him a letter TELLING him how great his article was.....

          It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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          • #6
            Re: Do the Pacers owe Reggie an apology as Kravitz says

            No. The entire article is really stretching.
            Can we get a new color commentator please?

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            • #7
              Re: Do the Pacers owe Reggie an apology as Kravitz says

              I would bet money that Ron has apologized to Reggie. No need to make that public.

              Yes I'm sure if the Pacers had traded Artest for Bonzi wells the Pacers would be on their way to a championship, No doubt about it. Kings turned down the Peja for artest trade.

              I would be willibng to bet that Reggie would say that he was willing to take the chance with Artest then to gamble without Artest.

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              • #8
                Re: Do the Pacers owe Reggie an apology as Kravitz says

                Kravitz' tone really frosts me. He seems to think that he has a god-given right to publicly hear everyone's apologies. And, if he hasn't read the apologies in the press, or hasn't seen them on the tube, well what the hell, then they obviously didn't take place.

                What a jackass!

                He doesn't seem to acknowledge that apologies are usually very private things, and that no one likes to publicly admit in front of anyone other than the wronged individual that he/she has basically f***ed up.

                I've actually seen a JO interview where JO has stated that Reggie's teammates have let him down and that the most important thing to him to help make it up to Reggie is to make certain that the Pacers make the playoffs and perform as best they can.

                Without using the words "I'm sorry", I certainly took that as an acknowledgement of blame and an apology.

                As far as I'm concerned, if Kravitz can't begin to temper some of his articles with positive sentiment every now and then, he can get the hell out of Dodge. I'm not saying that he has to give me an ice cream enema, but jeez he's one of the more negative writers I've read.

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                • #9
                  Re: Do the Pacers owe Reggie an apology as Kravitz says

                  Originally posted by Unclebuck
                  I would be willing to bet that Reggie would say that he was willing to take the chance with Artest then to gamble without Artest.
                  I don't think that's a bet you should make.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Do the Pacers owe Reggie an apology as Kravitz says

                    I think Kravitz owes ME an apology for wasting five minutes of my day with that smug crap.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Do the Pacers owe Reggie an apology as Kravitz says

                      Originally posted by beast23
                      Kravitz' tone really frosts me. He seems to think that he has a god-given right to publicly hear everyone's apologies. And, if he hasn't read the apologies in the press, or hasn't seen them on the tube, well what the hell, then they obviously didn't take place.
                      Agreed. Peck, you ask why the local fans haven't bonded with this team? Crap like this doesn't help.

                      And I'm not talking about the "Ron Apology" stuff.... I'm talking about "Everybody else on the team is worthless" stuff.

                      This space for rent.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Do the Pacers owe Reggie an apology as Kravitz says

                        I think the Star owes us an apology for having hired Kravitz, and for continuing to print his soapbox drivel.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Do the Pacers owe Reggie an apology as Kravitz says

                          Simply put, BK's article is bologna. Foolishness, most of it.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Do the Pacers owe Reggie an apology as Kravitz says

                            I find it morbidly funny that Kravitz says we shouldn't blame Stern, but Reggie himself has come out and said as much in at least two national interviews. I'd get on Bob's case for not doing his research, but it's not like he's a real journalist, or anything.

                            As for UB's Bonzi Wells statement, I thought the same thing. I've seen potted plants with a higher IQ than Kravitz.
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                            • #15
                              Re: Do the Pacers owe Reggie an apology as Kravitz says

                              Well, I thought I'd wait to read some more comments in this thread before I stated my opinion. What follows is the email I sent to BK and also copied to the 'Letter to the Editor' section at IndyStar.

                              It should be stated that this is my opinion, and that I'm not trying to convince anyone else that I'm right. I agree that there are multiple points of view about this matter and that many of them have a very good foundation for being taken as correct.

                              Here it is:

                              Bob,

                              I’ve never felt the need to respond personally to a piece of journalism before but this one just begs for my opinion.

                              I couldn’t disagree with you more. Nobody could have foreseen the events in Detroit. Our franchise and its players and management always have been and will continue to be the model for others to follow.

                              The Palace has always been widely regarded as the most raucous place to play and will continue to hold that title for many years to come. I won’t even go into the reputation and statistical significance that the city of Detroit has earned. Ben Wallace and the idiot who threw the cup are the final scapegoats in the entire situation and I think that most people would agree with me. I’m not speaking for anyone other than myself, however.

                              David Stern did what he thought he had to do, but his logic was flawed as well. He responded to an unprecedented set of events and he did what a dozen or more others did, he made a mistake. Ron Artest is in that category as well; he responded to an unprecedented set of events and he made a mistake. He did nothing until provoked several times in ways that don’t normally happen, or before that night, had NEVER happened.

                              My personal opinion is that we expect way too much from the players. They are human beings first and celebrities, athletes, superstars, role models (pick your appropriate label) second. It is useless to think that because they make millions of dollars that they have some responsibility to be role models or examples for the rest of us to follow. You don’t see CEO’s or others in the same income bracket forced into the kind of public scrutiny that athletes are subjected to.

                              The volatile situation that developed and led to meltdown could not be duplicated in almost any other workplace or situation. I don’t know how you would feel having to perform for 15,000 people every day but I can guess that the daily scrutiny (and I haven’t even addressed the scrutiny of the media helping churn the boiling pot) would get cumbersome really quick. Put all that together and then have yourself get physically assaulted by a two handed shove to the THROAT, then get stuff thrown at you by the same player who hasn’t been ejected and is still acting like a wild animal, then get doused with a full beer cup (who cares if was plastic?) from twenty feet away and tell me what you would do….I personally feel that Jermaine O’Neal and Stephen Jackson did WAY worse things than Artest did. Artest had the book thrown at him for being Artest and that is the plain and simple truth of it all.

                              There are so many things to consider in all of this that I think your article expressing an apology to Reggie was in poor taste, especially given the timing of its publication. Today is a day to remember the POSITIVES that make us all love the Pacers and Reggie Miller.

                              One way or the other, there comes a time when we all must move on past an unsavory episode we have had to go through. It seems to me that, YET AGAIN, the only people that refuse to let go of the brawl incident are journalists that can’t seem to find anything else positive to do with their time. If the brawl had never happened, this team would have met with serious obstacles to a championship anyway. With all the injuries we have had this season, who’s to say that we would’ve had the world on a string? This season has been tumultuous for a great number of reasons, ONE of which is that brawl. For pete’s sake, let it go and start writing stuff worth reading.

                              As for the apology you made to Reggie, speak for YOURSELF. We in Pacer Nation owe Reggie one thing, our eternal gratitude for being such a class act and great competitor. Nothing more, nothing less.



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