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    Yes I know he had 15 rebounds. But there were times tonight when he was horrible, in fact he was horrible for about 24 of his 25 minutes.

    It is not my style to rip Pacers players in my posts especially for poor shooting. But we need to face the facts about Croshere.

    He is not a very good shooter. He is wide open pretty much all the time, teams don't seem to be too worried about him shooting.

    For the season he is shooting 39% from the field, and 27% from three point range. There are 8 players on the PACERS team that shoots better from 3 point range. And Croshere is supposed to be a good shooter. He is supposedly needed to space the floor.

    Well tonight he was 0 for 12 and believe me he was wide open all night long. Pacers shot 34% tonight as a team. If you take away Croshere's 0 for 12 the Pacers would have shot 40% as a team.

    Isn't Croshere supposed to be able to shoot. The argument is the pacers need a shooter at the power forward spot, well maybe they do, and I suggest they go out a find one over the summer

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    Welcome to my bandwagon, UncleBuck.

    There's nothing Cro gives us on the court that can't be replaced by Donyell Marshall. I'd trade both Cro and Bender for expiring contracts and draft picks.

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    Croshere is a streaky shooter and always has been. He had a bad night for sure but just when your about give up he comes back and has a good game , really he just looked tired and not into the game. I noticed he was leaning over alot like his back was bothering him alot tonight or maybe he's just outta juice , I swear I heard AL or Quinn mention something about his back tonight during the game.

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    And to think people knock Zeke for being inconsistent with Croshere's playing time...

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    Welcome to my bandwagon, UncleBuck.

    There's nothing Cro gives us on the court that can't be replaced by Donyell Marshall. I'd trade both Cro and Bender for expiring contracts and draft picks.
    I've always had a love hate thing with Croshere. I think he is a hard worker, a good teammate, and a very good guy and the best interview on the team. But I don't like his game. His shooting is so overrated it is unbelievable, in fact the idea that he is a good shooter is a myth of epic proportions


    I hated Isiah, and his substitution patterns were bizarre, but I was not one of those that thought he should have played more. Although I did post thatr I wished IT would pick a substitution pattern and stick with it, whether Cro is in it or not.

    I'm sure Cro is banged up, and yes he had a bad shooting night. But hs is the 9th best three point shooter on the Pacers team.

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    I don't blame Cro for us losing. He sucks, we all know he sucks, he shoots like crap all the time, but at least he mitigated that with all the boards.

    No, I blame Dale for being a punk-*** idiot, or, as Peck would no doubt put it, a "real man".

    Question, am I the only one who feels that Dale just cost us home-court? Looking at everyone else's schedule, I'd say it's pretty damn likely.
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    And to think people knock Zeke for being inconsistent with Croshere's playing time...
    And how many times has AC played this year with a ton of injuries and still did a servicable job ? I think AC has had more good games this year than not so good games , even Reggie had a off night but no one's gonna complain about that

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    He is horrible, if his shot isnt falling he is useless. He was open for 10 of his 12 shots and all of them fell short.

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    I hated Isiah
    You sure did hide it well back in the day.

    Back on topic, just to open up a whole mess of worms for the fun of it, how does everyone feel Cro would be viewed if he wasn't white?
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    Question, am I the only one who feels that Dale just cost us home-court? Looking at everyone else's schedule, I'd say it's pretty damn likely.

    Looks like we'll open on the road at Boston next weekend. No way we catch the Bulls.

    Keg, There you go again, suggesting that I liked IT. Don't want to bore everyone, but I thought I explained myself on IT

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    Looks like we'll open on the road at Boston next weekend. No way we catch the Bulls
    Yup. Hopefully we can exact revenge for The Great Collapse. That was 3-6 as well.
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    And how many times has AC played this year with a ton of injuries and still did a servicable job ? I think AC has had more good games this year than not so good games , even Reggie had a off night but no one's gonna complain about that
    THe point is that Cro has been shooting badly all season and I'm a little tipsy at the moment. At some points Foster has been better offensively that Cro yeat plays better D, so I don't think he should be starting like PEck thinks h e should...

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    And how many times has AC played this year with a ton of injuries and still did a servicable job ? I think AC has had more good games this year than not so good games , even Reggie had a off night but no one's gonna complain about that

    Reggie is not shooting 26% from three point range abnd 39% overall. If he was, there would be mnany people ripping him

    The reason why I'm making such a big deal out of Cro's shooting % is because he either gets open jumpers or drives to the hoop. He is not asked to create anything for himself or a teammate. He gets his shots off of the other players. He is not a guy you just throw the ball to and say create something.

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    Keg, There you go again, suggesting that I liked IT. Don't want to bore everyone, but I thought I explained myself on IT
    As I remember it, Isiah's 3 biggest (or, to be honest, only) defenders were myself, Anthem, and you. You didn't always agree with what he did, but you defended him much, much more than you spoke against him.
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    Croshere hasn't shot the 3 ball good all year. Everytime I see him shoot it, I yell. He should just gingerly throw the ball out of bounds everytime, that's basically what it is, a turnover.
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    As I remember it, Isiah's 3 biggest (or, to be honest, only) defenders were myself, Anthem, and you. You didn't always agree with what he did, but you defended him much, much more than you spoke against him.
    Wait, you forgot NewYawk!

    Yup, that's about right. Unclebuck has the same thing that Kstat has, only not nearly as bad. He defended Zeke because Zeke was the Pacer coach.

    I defended Zeke because people had an irrational desire to hate whatever he did, even if it was exactly the same thing they'd been harping on him to do the day before.

    I don't remember what your deal was.

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    Shooting is about confidence. At the line Croshere thinks he'll make every one, and he nearly does. From the field he has absolutely bottomed out this year. He has zero confidence, maby negative confience if that's possible. I've never seen such a disparity. I mean how many time can a professional player shoot the ball, and not make just one to satisfy the law of averages.

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    I don't blame Austin for us losing. I do think the rebounds cancelled out his poor shooting. I do blame everyone who passed the ball to him.

    And then there's the whole Dale issue, but I would assume there's a thread around here somewhere about that. If not I'll start one.

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    As I remember it, Isiah's 3 biggest (or, to be honest, only) defenders were myself, Anthem, and you. You didn't always agree with what he did, but you defended him much, much more than you spoke against him.


    I don't know how I can prove it to you.

    I'm a huge believer of using a regular substitution pattern. And in year two when IT came out in mid December and said that now they would focus and practice defense I about had a a heart attack

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    I don't remember what your deal was.
    It was a combination of things. I hated it when Isiah was hired, I thought it was an insanely stupid move. But he won me over, because he tried to do things differently. My biggest complaint about Bird was he was so god damn predictible (which is why we came an inch away from losing in the first round of 2000, but that's another story.) Isiah changed things up, tried different things, kept things interesting, and in doing so, made games much more fun for me.

    Also, as I said in my first article last year, I'm a total non-conformist. If everybody else is ripping somebody, I just have to defend him. It's too much fun.

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    Wait, you forgot NewYawk!
    Uh, let's not go there. Him and Speed were my two favorite posters when I first joined RATS. That is, until he completely lost his freakin' mind.
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    It was a combination of things. I hated it when Isiah was hired, I thought it was an insanely stupid move. But he won me over, because he tried to do things differently. My biggest complaint about Bird was he was so god damn predictible (which is why we came an inch away from losing in the first round of 2000, but that's another story.) Isiah changed things up, tried different things, kept things interesting, and in doing so, made games much more fun for me.

    Also, as I said in my first article last year, I'm a total non-conformist. If everybody else is ripping somebody, I just have to defend him. It's too much fun.
    I could have written that post and it would have exactly expressed my feelings (better than my previous post, in fact). Plus, you like Primoz. We're like long-lost twins or something.

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    Croshere hasn't shot the 3 ball good all year. Everytime I see him shoot it, I yell. He should just gingerly throw the ball out of bounds everytime, that's basically what it is, a turnover.
    Not 26% of the time. =/
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    This thread is fun. Lots of truth is being said without being said kind of stuff going on here.

    I read U.B. & I can only grin with a memory of what I was like for 5 years. No matter how good the Pacers play, no matter how far they go in the playoffs it he will always be right there on the edge waiting for the first slip or faulter. Why? It's pretty simple, it's hard to watch a team that is missing your favorite player isn't it? Welcome to my world for the last 4 1/2 years.

    Croshere grabs 15 boards & plays solid defense & hits his free throws. How does he look at it? He goes 0-12 from the field. Of course going 0-12 is horrid & does suck so it's hard to fault him for pointing it out.

    But I just get the slight feeling way way way down deep in the pit of my stomach that even if J.O. came back & even if we won a title there would still be something missing from U.B.'s world.

    Now to another truth.

    I was not an Isiah Thomas hater. I was never a great fan, but I defended him more than most because I felt that he was getting the blame for things that were never his fault. Much like Anthem I always felt there was irrational hatred for him & I could never figure out why.

    Lastly Dale Davis being a real man. Yip. Damn straight. The only thing that would have been better would have been if Dale had gone over & punched Iverson before leaving the floor but that was to much to ask for.

    You see I don't advocate violence nor do I want to see fights. But at least Dale stood face to face like the Warrior he is & didn't wait till Dalembert was going up for a dunk later in the game & give him some weak @ss shove. He didn't puff out his cheeks, clinch his fists & act like he wanted to do something while standing there hopeing that his assistant coach would hold him back.

    He stood toe to toe. Well, let me rephrase that he stood on his feet & had to chase Dalembert because he kept running away.

    Roll your eyes all you want. Maybe we could get Dale some seats opposite the Pacemates so he can watch them (how is it you put it? Oh yea) adjust themselves. Maybe that would make him a real man for you?


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    I've got a question about Austin. Why is he the one who always ends up pulling away our player or coach who is getting into a ref/opposing player's face?

    There were 3 other Pacers on the floor when Dale got into it with [not gonna try to spell his name]. Whenever Rick gets into it with a ref Austin (if he's in the game) is the one who pushes Rick back towards the bench until Mike Brown can grab him and pull him back to his seat.

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    This thread is fun. Lots of truth is being said without being said kind of stuff going on here.

    I read U.B. & I can only grin with a memory of what I was like for 5 years. No matter how good the Pacers play, no matter how far they go in the playoffs it he will always be right there on the edge waiting for the first slip or faulter. Why? It's pretty simple, it's hard to watch a team that is missing your favorite player isn't it? Welcome to my world for the last 4 1/2 years.

    Croshere grabs 15 boards & plays solid defense & hits his free throws. How does he look at it? He goes 0-12 from the field. Of course going 0-12 is horrid & does suck so it's hard to fault him for pointing it out.

    But I just get the slight feeling way way way down deep in the pit of my stomach that even if J.O. came back & even if we won a title there would still be something missing from U.B.'s world.

    Now to another truth.

    I was not an Isiah Thomas hater. I was never a great fan, but I defended him more than most because I felt that he was getting the blame for things that were never his fault. Much like Anthem I always felt there was irrational hatred for him & I could never figure out why.

    Lastly Dale Davis being a real man. Yip. Damn straight. The only thing that would have been better would have been if Dale had gone over & punched Iverson before leaving the floor but that was to much to ask for.

    You see I don't advocate violence nor do I want to see fights. But at least Dale stood face to face like the Warrior he is & didn't wait till Dalembert was going up for a dunk later in the game & give him some weak @ss shove. He didn't puff out his cheeks, clinch his fists & act like he wanted to do something while standing there hopeing that his assistant coach would hold him back.

    He stood toe to toe. Well, let me rephrase that he stood on his feet & had to chase Dalembert because he kept running away.

    Roll your eyes all you want. Maybe we could get Dale some seats opposite the Pacemates so he can watch them (how is it you put it? Oh yea) adjust themselves. Maybe that would make him a real man for you?
    Dale is like another Artest, but better.

    Why better?

    He will be retiring sooner. =/
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