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    I'm gonna second this.

    And if it's not the last season to see him playing, I question if I'll really want to watch him next season.
    With the time off he's had this season this really is probably the best chance to see him perform well as it heads to the sunset. If he comes back next season... well... Father Time waits for no man.
    The only way the Broncos lose is if Peyton Manning is gawd-awful. And even then, they might win.

    No Antonio Brown.
    No DeAngelo Williams.
    And an injured Ben Roethlisberger.

    Highly unlikely Peyton Manning's last game is this weekend. They'll be hosting the AFC championship game, likely against Kansas City.
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    The only way the Broncos lose is if Peyton Manning is gawd-awful. And even then, they might win.

    No Antonio Brown.
    No DeAngelo Williams.
    And an injured Ben Roethlisberger.

    Highly unlikely Peyton Manning's last game is this weekend. They'll be hosting the AFC championship game, likely against Kansas City.
    I feel like you're trying a reverse jinx here lol. NE will most likely pull it out, and Denver will have their hands full with Pitt.

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    Peyton's playoff record when the temp is below 40. 0-5

    Forecast for kickoff tomorrow nite - 39.

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    I figured you'd be happy to see Manning have a terrible game and then retire. I always got the impression you weren't a fan
    It's complicated.

    I'm a Colts fan first and foremost.
    Manning's reputation was made as a Colt.
    He's obviously one of the all-time greats.
    He has his flaws and at this point I don't see him achieving GOAT status (that debate is between Montana and Brady IMHO of who I've seen).
    He's always going to have a "yeah, but" when any argument arises about the best ever and his name is mentioned ("one and done"... "playoff choker"... "hero ball")
    I don't think Irsay did the wrong thing in moving on from Peyton when he did (due to age and injury concerns). Of course Peyton has a SB appearance since then...And if he could get another this year it would at least give those that disagree an argument.

    So, I'm kinda fine with either outcome.... Peyton goes to the SB and wins and cements his legacy even more. Or: Peyton's advancing age and injury leaves him a shadow of his former self and another one and done playoff loss.
    Either way, I'll be watching.

    But not sure I want to see him embarrass himself for an entire season if he'd actually try and comeback next season (which I agree with Sollozzo that it would kill him not to take a shot at Favre's record). I think this is his best opportunity with all of the rest and recuperation to make a mini-run. I think at best, he might start the season OK and quickly decline next season. Heck, he didn't really even start this season all that well, but he has the excuse the offense wasn't well-suited for a 40 year old Peyton Manning.
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    ^^ What he said.

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    I guess being a Manning fan, I have a different way of looking at it. I don't think "yeah, but" about 18. He's one of the greatest players to play the game of football. His play calling at the line of scrimmage spurned a new way of playing by the position. He's probably not the GOAT, but I don't see why that should be seen as a knock against him or his career. 4 MVP trophy's and a SB (not to mention countless passing records) is nothing to sneeze at.

    As far as the "choker" thing, there are plenty of great QBs with mediocre playoff records. Favre, Rodgers, Brees, Marino, Young, Kelly - they all have mediocre playoff records. Yet none of them are considered "chokers" (maybe Marino due to the fact he never won a SB).

    If you want to use the playoff record argument when discussing the GOAT, that's perfectly logical. But some (not necessarily many on PD) use that as a reason to throw safe towards his remarkable career. That's unfortunate.

    Edit: Irsay made the right decision. Idk anyone that could legit argue otherwise, even if Peyton does make it back to the SB. Luck may not be a Manning type of QB, but he's a very good young QB who should be playing at a high level for the next decade plus. You can't pass that up when you had no idea if Manning was going to be able to throw a football ever again.

    I'm rooting for him to at least make it to the SB. I'd be surprised if they win today, and I'd be even more surprised if they made it past NE. But I'll enjoy watching him play for the last few times, even if he struggles. He's a once in a generation type of player
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    In regards to Manning and his legacy, what's particularly haunting is that Super Bowl loss against New Orleans. That was such a winnable game. Then we would have had 2 Super Bowl victories in 4 years and no one would have ever made a snide comment about Manning's postseason legacy again.

    Manning's playoff record is only brought up at this point in relation to Brady and Montana. Manning has always been in contention to be the best as all time, whereas a Drew Brees never has. That's why the "One Super Bowl win" is looked at differently for Brees.

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    Maybe not Brees, but Farve and Rodgers the last few years have certainly been in that conversation.

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    Maybe not Brees, but Farve and Rodgers the last few years have certainly been in that conversation.
    For Rodgers you have that hail Mary to the endzone to tie the game at the end of regulation to remember his playoff heroics by. With Manning you have that meme with the Lombardi trophy replacing the football and sailing by his head on the first play of the last SB he was in when he couldn't just run a simple play to begin the game and the center got confused and snapped the ball.
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    I tell you the playoff performance that still irks me.... 2005 against the Steelers. We get that miraculous fumble recovery and get into long FG range. Then all of a sudden Manning is throwing hero balls instead of taking shorter stuff and getting Vandershank closer for a more makeable FG or just moving the team closer to a TD. IIRC Manning had Edge in the flat open on one of those throws but he was too focused down the field to see the easy throw and gain we had right there. And down the field was NOT open nor easy.

    Of course Vandershank probably would've still choked even closer, but that is another discussion.
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    For Rodgers you have that hail Mary to the endzone to tie the game at the end of regulation to remember his playoff heroics by. With Manning you have that meme with the Lombardi trophy replacing the football and sailing by his head on the first play of the last SB he was in when he couldn't just run a simple play to begin the game and the center got confused and snapped the ball.
    Rodgers had a mediocre game at best prior to that last drive and that final play. Nobody seems to remember he was up for most of the game. Even when they got behind in the 4th, they had the ball with a chance to go ahead and turned the ball over on downs...


    It's the details of things like this that irks me. But it is what it is

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    Rodgers had a mediocre game at best prior to that last drive and that final play. Nobody seems to remember he was up for most of the game. Even when they got behind in the 4th, they had the ball with a chance to go ahead and turned the ball over on downs...


    It's the details of things like this that irks me. But it is what it is
    But are we debating why Manning is one of the greats of all time or why he's not the greatest of all time?
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    Manning's passes seem to have more zip today. That is a good omen.

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    But are we debating why Manning is one of the greats of all time or why he's not the greatest of all time?
    I don't think there's a debate to be made on either case

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    I don't think there's a debate to be made on either case
    For most of Manning's career he was in the discussion for greatest of all time. Not really the case with Favre, or Rodgers, or Brees. Maybe it was there a little bit with Marino for a while... but it faded.
    Just as it's faded with Manning. He's one of the greats, but not the greatest of all time. Is anyone still saying he is? Is that what you're saying? The complaints and criticisms are to point out why he fell short of that mark (even though it was within reach).
    Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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    Apparently there's a book that talks about his times with the Broncos and Colts. Dungy wrote the foreword.




    http://blog.skyhorsepublishing.com/p...rterback-ages/

    Kelley: There were so many comebacks, examples of preparation or [instances of] how Peyton took care of fans so well that two or three more books could be written about him. My favorite moment, though, was riding with Peyton and Tony Dungy in an SUV from Fort Lauderdale to Miami Beach the morning after Super Bowl XLI. Our party ended around 4:40 a.m., and we had to meet our driver—showered and in suit-and-tie—at 6:00 a.m. in the hotel lobby. Without an escort, our driver got us there in about an hour for the winning team/MVP press conference. We all were euphoric, and they spent most of the ride on cellphone calls chatting with well-wishers, including President George W. Bush. When Tony told Peyton to get off a call because someone “wanted to speak with him,” it was a moment no one could buy. Not knowing who was on the phone, Peyton’s first words when finding out were, “Yes, Mr. President.” I’ll never forget that moment. It was funny and special.

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    is that really the cover? cause its absolutely awful.

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    It looks like some type of meme BigHeadSports would come up with to promote his Twitter account.
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    For most of Manning's career he was in the discussion for greatest of all time. Not really the case with Favre, or Rodgers, or Brees. Maybe it was there a little bit with Marino for a while... but it faded.
    Just as it's faded with Manning. He's one of the greats, but not the greatest of all time. Is anyone still saying he is? Is that what you're saying? The complaints and criticisms are to point out why he fell short of that mark (even though it was within reach).
    I just saw this.

    I think most would say Peyton is number 3 all time. How that's looked at as some sort of an underachivement is beyond me.

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    I don't think anyone is saying being the third best QB ever is an underachievement. However, there were two Super Bowls where Manning had the opportunity to lay a huge case as the GOAT: 2009, which would have given the Colts 2 out of 4 and made them a mini-dynasty as the reigning back to back MVP, and 2013 in which he would have capped the greatest QB season ever. His team's came up short. He's the third best quarterback ever, but those missed opportunities are relevant....however brutal it might be to remember them.

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