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Tbird topics: Salary cap analysis as of 8PM, July 10 (after Jordan Hill news and official setting of salary cap)

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    Tbird topics: Salary cap analysis as of 8PM, July 10 (after Jordan Hill news and official setting of salary cap)

    Hello all!

    My initial guess on what this year's salary cap number was eerily close to reality, as I was only off by $124,000. With that update and with the news on Jordan Hill signing ( I also will provide an educated guess on his contract, until we hear for sure next week), our updated status is listed below.

    We obviously have renounced all of our free agents and have opted to operate as a below the cap team. I will also try to explain to those of you who are confused to how the Hibbert trade worked from a cap perspective, and try and give us an idea of how much practical money we have available to spend.

    Without further ado, here is how it adds up:

    UNDER CONTRACT ALREADY:

    Paul George...................................17,120,10 6
    George Hill.....................................8,000,000
    C.J. Miles.......................................4,394, 000
    Ian Mahimni...................................4,000,00 0
    Solomon Hill...................................1,358,880
    Damjan Rudez................................1,149,500

    TOTAL: 36,022,711

    DRAFT PICKS AND ASSUMED MINIMUM SIGNINGS

    Myles Turner..................................2,357,000
    Joe Young.......................................525,09 3 (this could be higher if Indiana wants to get creative)
    Shane Whittington...........................947,276

    TOTAL: 3,829,369

    NOW, FREE AGENT SIGNINGS WHERE I AM USING EDUCATED GUESSES ON THE AMOUNTS (see notes below the amounts)

    Monta Ellis.....................................10,304,4 50
    Rodney Stuckey...............................6,698,565
    Jordan Hill.......................................5,000,0 00

    TOTAL: 22,003,015

    Notes: With these 3 players plus Lavoy Allen, Indiana COULD choose to structure their first year salaries at slightly higher amount than I have listed, if they choose to either pay them a "flat" structure (same amount each year, no raises) or in a "decreasing" structure (frontload the contracts where you pay them the highest amount in year 1 and decrease every year). For now, I am keeping these estimates at the lowest year 1 amounts possible to maximize our cap room in the 2015-2016 fiscal year.

    For Jordan Hill, I am using rumors about his deal I read from sources in LA, which is that it will be a 2 yr, 10 million deal with the 2nd year a player option. No idea if that is true, but it seems reasonable to assume for the purposes of this article.

    Add those 12 players up and you get: 61,855,095

    That would give us still to work with: 8,144,905 to sign a remaining free agent or take back that much in excess salary from someone. Any deal for more than that amount we would need to send out salary to get the difference down to that amount.

    If we are going to make a deal like that, getting salary back in return, we likely need to do it before next week when all of our signings become official. Because, THAT AMOUNT OF CAP ROOM LEFT DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT LAVOY ALLEN'S SALARY YET. We can go OVER THE CAP to re-sign Allen officially remember, which is why we still have extra accounting room.

    Let me say it again: to maximize your cap room you need to sign Lavoy Allen last.

    After we sign Lavoy Allen for a salary of: 3,825,000......then our cap room is reduced to 4,319,905. Before we re-sign Allen, we have 8,144,905 to work with.....important difference.

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    Because teams and players don't want to be left hanging for that long, Indiana will likely add another player this weekend, if they indeed are going to do something extra. We only have 13 players committed to us counting Allen, so we clearly have the cap room and money and space to obtain one more reasonably salaried player, if one is out there to obtain.

    So, if you amateur GM's want to get on the case, try and find us a useful player for under 8,000,000 we can acquire in a small trade or as a free agent somewhere by whenever our deals become official, which likely will happen by the middle of next week.

    After we sign obtain "the mystery player" we still likely will get in the next 96 hours, next move is to sign Allen. After that, Indiana will have the 2.8 "room exception" left to sign a 15th player to the roster if they so choose, or they could save that and take it into the season. We can also sign minimum contracts if we so want to.

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    I am reading a lot of confusion about a 15.5 "trade exception" that we received in the Roy Hibbert trade. While technically true, we would have to renounce that trade exception in order to sign Jordan Hill and Ellis to their amounts. So, if we basically do what we all think we are going to do, then this trade exception doesn't help us.

    Basically, you could indeed keep that exception, but then you have no way to execute the signings that you have already agreed to.

    HOWEVER, we could theoretically get Dallas and Los Angeles to sign and trade Ellis and Jordan Hill to us, and use that exception to take their salaries back next week. That might be advantageous to both the Mavs and Lakers to do that, though at this point I see no reason that it benefits Indiana at all. In other words, I expect it to be just a simple straight signing of both players, with no cap machinations needed.

    K.I.S.S. is what I expect from Indiana at this point.

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    So, what have we learned? I think we can count on at least 1 more signing for depth, or a minor trade still remaining for Indiana, and I would bet it would be in the next 96 hours or so. Feel free to speculate on who it would be. I would guess perhaps there might be a European player we could bring over for the amount of money we have left to spend, and since we have the world's best international scout in Pete Philo working for us, that would be what I would expect.

    More updates as events warrant.

    Tbird
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  • #2
    Re: Tbird topics: Salary cap analysis as of 8PM, July 10 (after Jordan Hill news and official setting of salary cap)

    How does Jordan Hill fit with our team? What benefits? What worries do you have?

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    • #3
      Re: Tbird topics: Salary cap analysis as of 8PM, July 10 (after Jordan Hill news and official setting of salary cap)

      Isn't there a player coming from the Lakers in the Hibbert trade... someone like Ryan Kelly or R. Sacre?

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        Re: Tbird topics: Salary cap analysis as of 8PM, July 10 (after Jordan Hill news and official setting of salary cap)

        Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
        Isn't there a player coming from the Lakers in the Hibbert trade... someone like Ryan Kelly or R. Sacre?
        No, there are no players coming from the Lakers. We only got a 2nd round draft choice and some cash.

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          Re: Tbird topics: Salary cap analysis as of 8PM, July 10 (after Jordan Hill news and official setting of salary cap)

          Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
          Isn't there a player coming from the Lakers in the Hibbert trade... someone like Ryan Kelly or R. Sacre?
          Nope. Didn't need to after Roy waived most of his trade kicker. Not that we particularly wanted either of those guys, I suspect.

          Edit: not even sure that we got cash. That cash was supposed to pay for Roy's kicker.

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          • #6
            Re: Tbird topics: Salary cap analysis as of 8PM, July 10 (after Jordan Hill news and official setting of salary cap)

            I think we got the 78K that Roy kept in the deal from LA, but whether we paid it ourselves or got it from LA, its chump change and doesn't effect the cap figure.

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              Re: Tbird topics: Salary cap analysis as of 8PM, July 10 (after Jordan Hill news and official setting of salary cap)

              Originally posted by thunderbird1245 View Post
              I think we got the 78K that Roy kept in the deal from LA, but whether we paid it ourselves or got it from LA, its chump change and doesn't effect the cap figure.
              78k, let's see....

              Pay off student loans? Check. Pay off car? Check. Get rid of mortgage insurance? Check.
              Money left over for trip to Europe?
              Meh, vacations are for chumps.



              I'm in the small forward camp. If we're going to "go for it" even to a modest extent, I'm going to hope to upgrade CJ Miles to a superior, physical SF. Using his $4M salary would put us in the $12M shopping level, right?

              Then again, someone mentioned Mitch McGary, who I'd love to acquire if Kanter is making OKC's pockets burst. (Also grimpin' on $4M Mahinmi for $12M Ibaka.)


              "He’s no shrinking violet when it comes to that kind of stuff."

              - Rick Carlisle on how Kevin Pritchard responds to needed roster changes.

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              • #8
                Re: Tbird topics: Salary cap analysis as of 8PM, July 10 (after Jordan Hill news and official setting of salary cap)

                Hoping Portland and OKC will relieve themselves of the abundance of bigs that they have.

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                • #9
                  Re: Tbird topics: Salary cap analysis as of 8PM, July 10 (after Jordan Hill news and official setting of salary cap)

                  I'd make a run at Mike Scott from Atlanta. Owed $6 mil over the next two seasons. A legit stretch 4. Markieff Morris is still on my wishlist as well. As for backup point guard, Isaiah Canaan from Philadelphia. Owed under $1 million dollars next season before his deal expire next Summer.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Tbird topics: Salary cap analysis as of 8PM, July 10 (after Jordan Hill news and official setting of salary cap)

                    Originally posted by DrFife View Post
                    78k, let's see....

                    Pay off student loans? Check. Pay off car? Check. Get rid of mortgage insurance? Check.
                    Money left over for trip to Europe?
                    Meh, vacations are for chumps.



                    I'm in the small forward camp. If we're going to "go for it" even to a modest extent, I'm going to hope to upgrade CJ Miles to a superior, physical SF. Using his $4M salary would put us in the $12M shopping level, right?

                    Then again, someone mentioned Mitch McGary, who I'd love to acquire if Kanter is making OKC's pockets burst. (Also grimpin' on $4M Mahinmi for $12M Ibaka.)
                    CJ provides the 3pt shooting and floor spacing we desperately need on this team. And he does it for very very cheap

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                    • #11
                      Re: Tbird topics: Salary cap analysis as of 8PM, July 10 (after Jordan Hill news and official setting of salary cap)

                      I really don't understand why people want to get rid of CJ Miles and his very affordable contract. Everyone is complaining about Monta and Stuckey being reduntant and how we need more shooting. Now I keep seeing posts about trading the guy who is in my opinion our second most effective 3 point shooter behind Paul George (based on the types of shots they take). I think Miles fits in perfectly with this team and this new style and can't wait to watch him next year. He and Stuckey were the only guys who made the 14-15 team watchable.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Tbird topics: Salary cap analysis as of 8PM, July 10 (after Jordan Hill news and official setting of salary cap)

                        Originally posted by bshall View Post
                        I really don't understand why people want to get rid of CJ Miles and his very affordable contract. Everyone is complaining about Monta and Stuckey being reduntant and how we need more shooting. Now I keep seeing posts about trading the guy who is in my opinion our second most effective 3 point shooter behind Paul George (based on the types of shots they take). I think Miles fits in perfectly with this team and this new style and can't wait to watch him next year. He and Stuckey were the only guys who made the 14-15 team watchable.

                        If you add shooting at the starting PF position and backup PG position or backup SF position we'd be fine.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Tbird topics: Salary cap analysis as of 8PM, July 10 (after Jordan Hill news and official setting of salary cap)

                          If Jordan Hill was signed for $5+ mil a year for 2 seasons, I'd be amazed....that figure seems rather low. Even Biyombo go $6+ mil a year for 2 seasons.
                          Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Tbird topics: Salary cap analysis as of 8PM, July 10 (after Jordan Hill news and official setting of salary cap)

                            Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                            If Jordan Hill was signed for $5+ mil a year for 2 seasons, I'd be amazed....
                            Not saying you're wrong, but there are only a handful of teams with enough cap space to offer more than that. He may not have too many competing offers.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Tbird topics: Salary cap analysis as of 8PM, July 10 (after Jordan Hill news and official setting of salary cap)

                              Originally posted by Grimp View Post
                              I'd make a run at Mike Scott from Atlanta. Owed $6 mil over the next two seasons. A legit stretch 4.
                              A legit stretch 4 whose horrendous defense has made him net-negative for every season. Due those defensive shortcomings lost his place in Atlanta rotation last season. Yes, he can hit the deepball, but he can't do ANYTHING else - neither in individual level nor in team concept.

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