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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

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"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

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  • Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

    I wonder what Roy's career fg% are compared to all the other players in the history of the league that were 7' or taller. They have to be towards the bottom.

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    • Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

      Originally posted by BillS View Post
      Just own your tone and stop trying to sound all put upon. I'm one of the snarkiest guys here but at least I don't go around trying to convince everyone (including myself) that a phrase like "For some facts are meaningless tidbits of information that get in the way of making ones own agenda seem plausible." is a helpful and friendly pointer to forgotten info.
      Fair enuff. but not all is black and white. said poster seems to have an agenda to make larry look as naive as possible. if you want to turn a blind eye to it that's all you. nothing i stated was make believe or dishonest.

      Just making it clear Larry's not the guy who handed the contract over to Roy. I realize a target is on my back... but lets get real here, im being called out now for perceived "snarkiness." guess its time to review the PD rule book once again on snarkism.

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      • Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

        Originally posted by presto123 View Post
        I wonder what Roy's career fg% are compared to all the other players in the history of the league that were 7' or taller. They have to be towards the bottom.

        I know JO isn't technically 7ft, but can't get much closer. Roy's career FG% is 0.03% less than JO's. So if he is, he's probably surrounded by quite a lot of good players with mediocre FG%s.
        Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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        • Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

          Originally posted by Since86 View Post
          I know JO isn't technically 7ft, but can't get much closer. Roy's career FG% is 0.03% less than JO's. So if he is, he's probably surrounded by quite a lot of good players with mediocre FG%s.
          JO is one of the most over-rated Pacers of all time. Maybe if JO didn't take so many 17 ft. fadeaways it might have been a little higher. Ego wouldn't let him admit that he wasn't a good shooter.

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          • Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

            Originally posted by Since86 View Post
            So we can have the same conversation for the nth time? Pass.
            Well if its the "nth" time you have posted skewed stats why not? What counts more to you. Regular or postseason? I get posting roy's playoff stats would not help your cause but that doesnt mean we should disregard facts to serve a specific purpose right.

            You stated Roy is the same player he has always been. yet refuse to to take my challenge and review the postseason. thats like saying peyton manning is the greatest regular season qb to have ever lived but does anyone give a crap if the man cant get it done when it matters most?

            just setting the record straight. roys production has significantly declined each of the three most previous postseasons, there is no denying this statistically proven FACT.

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            • Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

              Originally posted by freddielewis14 View Post
              I agree Roy appears to be the same on a per minute basis. But something is clearly wrong that isn't showing up in per minute stats if the "same" player who was an ALL NBA D 2x All Star has almost no trade value.
              $$$

              He never grew into his contract, so it has become bloated. Also NBA GMs are just are prone to flavor of the week as NBA fans.

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              • Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

                Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                Expectations.

                When you're the #4/#5 guy on the offensive list, Roy's numbers aren't that bad. When you're #2/#3, they're bad. This past year, the Pacers not only expected Roy but needed Roy to take on a bigger offensive load. He can't. He is who is is, which is why his career averages are static.
                Honestly, after the first 2 months I think the Pacers just wanted Roy to play starter level minutes without being a liability.

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                • Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

                  Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                  I kind of agree with Scott Agness on this. I don't think Roy's comments are purely innocent.
                  Do you have a link or something? I've not seen or heard this.


                  Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                  • Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

                    Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                    I know JO isn't technically 7ft, but can't get much closer. Roy's career FG% is 0.03% less than JO's. So if he is, he's probably surrounded by quite a lot of good players with mediocre FG%s.
                    Terrible comparison. JO had a high usg% in his hay day which was in the high 20's to low 30's and was a pretty reliable 20 and 10 guy with decent defense. Roy couldn't sniff prime JO numbers while being the number one option.

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                    • Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

                      Originally posted by Peck View Post
                      Do you have a link or something? I've not seen or heard this.

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                      • Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

                        Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                        It's all about expectations. Pacer fans and our FO expected Roy to be a two-way threat so Roy tried to fullfil that expectation. Laker fans and their FO doesn't expect Roy to be a two-way threat. They expect him to play defense.
                        Roy himself expected to be a two way threat more than the fans expected him to be one. How many times have you seen a poster say "If he would just concentrate on defense and rebounding"? That was said many times.

                        Roy's expectations are why the team tried going to him early in games, and so that he didn't check out on them on the other end.

                        Do you think "selfish dudes" was all about stealing rebounds? I don't think so. It was about touches.
                        Last edited by Tom White; 07-27-2015, 08:49 PM.

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                        • Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

                          Hibbert...SMH.
                          Thats was a pretty uncouthed pot shot at Vogel. What a jerk. The guy saved your career, and stuck with you even when you were being compared to a garbage can with a broomstick. No reason to make those comments, and like a the coward he has always been, tried to follow it up with some sweet words about his former coach that he just took a jab at.
                          You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                          • Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

                            Originally posted by PacersPride View Post
                            Just making it clear Larry's not the guy who handed the contract over to Roy. I realize a target is on my back... but lets get real here, im being called out now for perceived "snarkiness." guess its time to review the PD rule book once again on snarkism.
                            Not calling you out, just replying to your question of "what does this have to do with me". You asked, I answered.

                            ETA: Again, being snarky isn't the issue. Being snarky and claiming to just be an innocent fact-based poster in whose mouth butter would fail to melt isn't even a problem, per se. It is just going to be the thing that colors how people respond to you.

                            No profanity-laced attacks on another poster, no foul.
                            BillS

                            A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                            Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                            • Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

                              Originally posted by Tom White View Post
                              Roy expected to be a two way threat more than the fans. How many times have you seen a poster say "If he would just concentrate on defense and rebounding"? That was said many times.

                              Roy's expectations are why the team tried going to him early in games, and so that he didn't check out on them on the other end.

                              Do you think "selfish dudes" was all about stealing rebounds? I don't think so. It was about touches.
                              More like Roy wanted to be a two way threat...


                              Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                              • Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

                                Agness is just like some others on the anti-Roy side of the fence, looking for any interpretation of any comment (or lack of comment) that reflects badly on Roy. I can't for the life of me understand how wanting to be coached by someone with NBA experience is in and of itself any kind of slam to Frank Vogel. He didn't say "Frank didn't help me" (he actually said the opposite), he didn't even claim that the way he was coached hurt him in any way. He just wants to play for a guy who was a player himself. Might not turn out the way he thinks it will, but so what? Why is this supposed to be some terrible insult to Frank?
                                BillS

                                A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                                Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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