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  • Re: Hibbert deal in the works with Lakers

    Originally posted by Peck View Post
    Yea, I think this is really the best statement overall.

    I've spent a lot of time being pissed at Roy and its coming across on here as me being totally anti Roy which is just not the case. I do think a scenery change will do everybody some good and I think he will be a good addition for them.
    Bad things happened to Roy. For the last 1 1/2 years he has been an extremely unhappy man here. I think he did his best to soldier on, to deal with the issues, and to play at a high level, but I don't think that Roy could handle the personal demons. He unhappiness spilled out into the locker room and onto the court. He's going to LA, where he frequently lives during the off-season, and he is getting away from the personal problems that haunt him in Indy. I think Roy leaving is the best thing that could have happened to both the Pacers and Roy. I just wish he hadn't opted in to his contract, just realized he needed to go, and opted out (mainly for his sake)
    Danger Zone

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    • Re: Hibbert deal in the works with Lakers

      Originally posted by Rogco View Post
      But who reported on Lance's locker room problems?!? I know there was the fight with Turner the scrub, and there were issues about his on-court play, but where are the articles reporting Lance was the locker room issue? I mean a lot
      of people on here assumed, but the media generally said Lance was not a locker room issue guy.
      Ace posted about 10 different articles just two pages back.

      We've been discussing a Mike Wells article for those two pages.
      Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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      • Re: Hibbert deal in the works with Lakers

        One more comment on Hibbert.

        This past season Lance was gone but there could have been two things that factored into Hibberts poor season.

        1. He stated that he felt Paul George and David West were two guys that he had on court respect for. George was out for the year and from what I gather, once PG went down, West kinda phoned it in after he returned from his injury. So the two guys he looked upto were, for all intents and purposes, gone.

        2. The coaching staff that allowed Lance to run wild was still there. Just guessing but Hibbert may have lost a ton of respect for Vogel due to his not dropping the hammer on Lance.

        Between the two it just makes for a horrible work enviroment.

        Best of luck 55.

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        • Re: Hibbert deal in the works with Lakers

          Originally posted by Jose Slaughter View Post
          One more comment on Hibbert.

          This past season Lance was gone but there could have been two things that factored into Hibberts poor season.

          1. He stated that he felt Paul George and David West were two guys that he had on court respect for. George was out for the year and from what I gather, once PG went down, West kinda phoned it in after he returned from his injury. So the two guys he looked upto were, for all intents and purposes, gone.

          2. The coaching staff that allowed Lance to run wild was still there. Just guessing but Hibbert may have lost a ton of respect for Vogel due to his not dropping the hammer on Lance.
          Between the two it just makes for a horrible work enviroment.


          Best of luck 55.
          Of any human being alive there is one person on this earth that Roy Hibbert better not lose respect for. When people were calling for his head, Frank vocally and adamantly supported him. When he set away from the team pouting and not joining the huddles on more than one occasion (I have photo's if you would like to see them) Frank Vogel supported him.

          Did Frank handle Lance properly? I don't know, I wasn't in the locker room or huddle to hear what he told Lance to do. But if Lance were truly tearing this club apart then you guys better talk with Bird who not only supported him all along but tried to bring him back as a free agent.

          Think about that for a moment. He tried to keep Lance (universally decried as Loki the God of mischief) even offering more than what he got with the Hornets and he has all but give Roy away and got nothing in return other than space.

          I'm not sure what that say's but possibly it say's something, or maybe nothing at all who knows.
          Last edited by Peck; 07-07-2015, 06:11 PM.


          Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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          • Re: Hibbert deal in the works with Lakers

            Originally posted by Peck View Post
            Think about that for a moment. He tried to keep Lance (universally decried as Loki the God of mischief) even offering more than what he got with the Hornets and he has all but give Roy away and got nothing in return other than space.

            I'm not sure what that say's but possibly it say's something, or maybe nothing at all who knows.
            While I have no issue with Bird trying to keep Lance, I do have an issue with his new vision about the team (the part of it that we've seen so far, at least).

            I know that this kinda off-topic but I hope that this vision doesn't cause us to lose Frank.
            Originally posted by IrishPacer
            Empty vessels make the most noise.

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            • Re: Hibbert deal in the works with Lakers

              Originally posted by Jose Slaughter View Post
              One more comment on Hibbert.

              This past season Lance was gone but there could have been two things that factored into Hibberts poor season.

              1. He stated that he felt Paul George and David West were two guys that he had on court respect for. George was out for the year and from what I gather, once PG went down, West kinda phoned it in after he returned from his injury. So the two guys he looked upto were, for all intents and purposes, gone.

              2. The coaching staff that allowed Lance to run wild was still there. Just guessing but Hibbert may have lost a ton of respect for Vogel due to his not dropping the hammer on Lance.

              Between the two it just makes for a horrible work enviroment.

              Best of luck 55.

              Blame Lance.
              Blame PG's injury.
              Blame David West.
              Now it's blame the freaking work environment? It's anything but blame Roy Hibbert. Every time I think reality is starting to seep in around here someone one ups the crazy. FFS. At the very least, accept what is and stop concocting excuses.

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              • Re: Hibbert deal in the works with Lakers

                Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                I know that this kinda off-topic but I hope that this vision doesn't cause us to lose Frank.
                Look at the coaches Frank learned under, as well as his by far best play: The Vogel Weave.

                The Smashmouth style of offense was quite the departure from what he learned under his mentors. He may actually be far more comfortable in this new style, and I think his preference of using two ball handlers and team movement that he's preached about in the past (over one true PG running the show), actually fits the new style much better than it did in Smashmouth.

                Also didn't McMillan run a high octane offense as the Coach of the Sonics back in the day?

                Also Nutinus, what kind of offensive winkles could the Greek National coach be teaching our coaches in this brief time here?
                "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears

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                • Re: Hibbert deal in the works with Lakers

                  I wish Hibbert well, but the world outside Vogelville isn't going to be nearly as gentle or positive. Coaches are generally more like JOb from a personality standpoint than Frank Vogel. There isn't a single coach in the NBA who is better for Roy Hibbert's fragile psyche...so let's not throw Frank under the bus for Roy's issues.

                  Also, Lance may have been an issue in the locker room but he was hardly Roy Hibbert's problem. Lance is gone and I sure didn't see a new and improved Hibbert this last year. Neither did Larry Bird.

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                  • Re: Hibbert deal in the works with Lakers

                    For those vilifying or questioning Bird in this, is scenario being considered:
                    What if Roy demanded the trade? What if his agent worked this deal out more than the Pacers' FO? Do we know it didn't happen that way?

                    We do know Area 55 was abandoned earlier this year. It makes sense that it could've been the writing on the wall not at what the Pacers had planned, but what Roy had planned. It could've even been a signal to the team he was not a happy camper. None of which means he would opt out and let the team off the hook. I'm sure he wanted that last bite of the salary apple.

                    I'm not saying this is what had to have happened, but I am saying we don't really have a lot of details about how and why this trade went down like it did. But it does, to me, make some sense why the Pacers might've traded Roy for little in return except cap space and it wouldn't had to have been them just wanting to wash their hands of Roy on the court or in the lockerroom. Instead, it could've been to avoid a messy, protracted divorce from a player that no longer wanted to be here.
                    Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                    "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                    -John Wooden

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                    • Re: Hibbert deal in the works with Lakers

                      Originally posted by Bball View Post
                      For those vilifying or questioning Bird in this, is scenario being considered:
                      What if Roy demanded the trade? What if his agent worked this deal out more than the Pacers' FO? Do we know it didn't happen that way?

                      We do know Area 55 was abandoned earlier this year. It makes sense that it could've been the writing on the wall not at what the Pacers had planned, but what Roy had planned. It could've even been a signal to the team he was not a happy camper. None of which means he would opt out and let the team off the hook. I'm sure he wanted that last bite of the salary apple.

                      I'm not saying this is what had to have happened, but I am saying we don't really have a lot of details about how and why this trade went down like it did. But it does, to me, make some sense why the Pacers might've traded Roy for little in return except cap space and it wouldn't had to have been them just wanting to wash their hands of Roy on the court or in the lockerroom. Instead, it could've been to avoid a messy, protracted divorce from a player that no longer wanted to be here.
                      Add in Hibbert skipping the charity softball event he always hosted with Mathis as well...

                      I've been very much thinking along these lines as well. His agent is quite known for not leaving guaranteed money on the table, yet very able to get his players out of situations/teams they don't like being in anymore (there was an article out right before he opted in by a national columnist pointing this out).
                      "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears

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                      • Re: Hibbert deal in the works with Lakers

                        Originally posted by tadscout View Post
                        Add in Hibbert skipping the charity softball event he always hosted with Mathis as well...
                        That he was talking about passing the torch to another Pacer like Paul last year. And I honestly don't think ending Area55 had anything to do with Roy being unhappy.
                        "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                        "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                        • Re: Hibbert deal in the works with Lakers

                          Originally posted by tadscout View Post
                          Look at the coaches Frank learned under, as well as his by far best play: The Vogel Weave.

                          The Smashmouth style of offense was quite the departure from what he learned under his mentors. He may actually be far more comfortable in this new style, and I think his preference of using two ball handlers and team movement that he's preached about in the past (over one true PG running the show), actually fits the new style much better than it did in Smashmouth.
                          Let's hope that this is the case, my friend. I'd really hate to lose Frank because he doesn't share Bird's new vision about the team.

                          Originally posted by tadscout View Post
                          Also Nutinus, what kind of offensive winkles could the Greek National coach be teaching our coaches in this brief time here?
                          Honestly, I have no idea. My guess was that it was probably the other way around.

                          Originally posted by Bball View Post
                          We do know Area 55 was abandoned earlier this year.
                          Wasn't Area 55 supposed to be a 5-year project only? That's what I remember reading on here by our resident Area 55ers.
                          Originally posted by IrishPacer
                          Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                          • Re: Hibbert deal in the works with Lakers

                            Originally posted by Jose Slaughter View Post
                            One more comment on Hibbert.

                            This past season Lance was gone but there could have been two things that factored into Hibberts poor season.
                            I definitely agree with this. As a matter of fact, I can confidently state that there were exactly two reasons:

                            1. Roy
                            2. Hibbert

                            Roy's poor performance was nothing new. It was a chronic problem and his coach showed a great deal of patience with him.

                            At some point in time, he has to OWN it. Offensively, if his opportunities are fewer, then prove he should play a greater role by being more efficient with the opportunities he does have.

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                            • Re: Hibbert deal in the works with Lakers

                              I'll miss Roy!
                              I love defense.
                              It wouldn't bother me if Roy averaged 8 points a game as long as he did it efficiently and beasted on D.
                              I was one of the very last guys who gave up "Roy's our best player".
                              I've never had an avatar here, but if I had made one a few years ago it would have had Roy's mug on it. And I'd have kept it on there till now.

                              So long and...
                              good luck big fella!

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                              • Re: Hibbert deal in the works with Lakers

                                Originally posted by beast23 View Post
                                I definitely agree with this. As a matter of fact, I can confidently state that there were exactly two reasons:

                                1. Roy
                                2. Hibbert

                                Roy's poor performance was nothing new. It was a chronic problem and his coach showed a great deal of patience with him.

                                At some point in time, he has to OWN it. Offensively, if his opportunities are fewer, then prove he should play a greater role by being more efficient with the opportunities he does have.
                                100% Onboard with this!

                                I will add that I think Roy's defensive prowess has been greatly exaggerated. Or regressed. Or simply been negated. Or all of the above. I think we'll miss Roy from when he was at his best. But the inconsistent, prolonged slump version of Roy won't be missed. And we'll be better off in the long run with consistency IMHO, even if it means we don't have the potential of ever having Roy at his best on our team again. It's easier to work with a known commodity rather than constantly trying to prod, understand, and guess what version of Roy will be showing up and playing in a game... or in a month or more of games...
                                Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                                ------

                                "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                                -John Wooden

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