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Hibbert dealt to the Lakers for a future 2nd round pick

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  • Re: Hibbert deal in the works with Lakers

    Originally posted by LA_Confidential View Post
    No we dont. Philly doesnt need cap space, they are taking on salary to reach the cap floor. I dont think any combination of Joe Young, Solomon Hill and what would at best be a mid to late 1st would be something that could pry Noel away.

    Don't forget we are talking about Philly!!! They make weird and nonsensical trades that leave people scratching their heads frequently. If the Pacers put together a good offer, it could happen.

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    • Re: Hibbert traded to the Lakers!

      For those wanting to have kept Hibbert for the 15-16 season, you were going to lose him for nothing at the end of the season. At least this way, the Pacers can start the re-tooling a year early. Hibbert playing next year wasn't going to win the Pacers a FC or NBA Championship. The Pacers will make the playoffs this coming season, just w/o Hibbert.

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      • Re: Hibbert traded to the Lakers!

        Originally posted by Jim R View Post
        Please not Faried and Lawson, and I'm not sure how they'd get Morris and Bledsoe with their current assets. I think Phoenix dangled Bledsoe to get a great draft pick. I don't think they are otherwise trying to move him.

        Noted. But look at it this way. The Suns just stabbed Goran Dragic in the back by adding a third point guard. They pissed off their franchise cornerstone and HAD to deal him for something. They got Brandon Knight to replace him but only resigned him to save face really. Now, after going through so much trouble to unite the twins Marcus and Markieff. The minute they thought they had a shot at LaMarcus they dealt Marcus. And dangled PJ Tucker and Markieff to clear even more space. As we now know, LaMarcus will sign with San Antonio. Bledsoe's name has also been floated in rumors. The Suns might actually have to move some of these guys because the situation there is kind of toxic now. That's a team that can't compete in the West. Their starting center Tyson Chandler is beyond old. He's also not a scoring center, never was. Backing him up is Alex Len. An often injured young player with "potential." Moving Morris and Bledsoe would give them a lot of cap flexibility. I am almost certain they'll try for Durant next Summer.

        As for Faried and Lawson, I'd make that move. Keep Faried and flip Lawson for a BIG.

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        • Re: Hibbert deal in the works with Lakers

          Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
          After sleeping on it for the night, I think this giveaway sucks pretty bad. I've been plenty critical of Hibbert in the past, but I certainly recognize the positives he brought. I would have much rather just seen if Hibbert could have had a decent season here (since it would have certainly been in his $$$ interests to do so). Then we could have traded him at the deadline when maybe a team would have given us something for him, or we could have just rode it out with him at least helping us win games next year. I didn't care at all about West leaving since he's old, but I felt that Hibbert could still be a pretty decent asset next year.
          Hibbert having a great year would've been (potentially) fool's gold. It would've driven up interest in keeping him, and the cost to do so. Then there would've been the constant fear of him returning to the inconsistent, disappearing for months Roy, that we've all come to recognize. Other teams know that too so I doubt a resurgence would've helped. Of course it might've helped with a mid season trade possibility, but the baggage Roy created might've countered that anyway.

          I think we did what we wanted and that was to just move on.

          I'm more and more inclined to believe Hibbert was some type of cancer on the team. Maybe not the type we're more used to seeing. But something that wore on the team nonetheless. Whether it was guessing which Roy would show up, how much he'd demand to be part of the offense no matter how badly he was playing, just the team overall wore down coddling him and trying to work the swoons, or something else. I don't know. But I think it's clear they saw moving on from him the best way to go versus holding on for something down the road based on hope. History probably already showed them what to expect. And that hope wasn't a good option. Also, the advantages that Roy brought have somewhat been negated, and made worse by his own propensity to slump.


          I guess maybe things just got so bad between both sides behind the scenes that under no circumstances were we going to bring him back.
          To me that seems like exactly what happened but that Roy wasn't innocent in the reasons for the growing negativity.

          What in the hell happened over the last year and a half? Just two summers ago after that dominating postseason performance, Hibbert was looking like a guy who would play 15 years here and have his 55 hanging in the rafters. Now fast forward two summers and we're basically giving him away to the Lakers? I'm just in a state of shock over how quickly this whole thing crumbled. Two seasons ago, we looked like we'd be an elite contender for several years. PG shattering his leg is a major reason for it all going south, but it's certainly not the only one.
          There's a documentary in there somewhere! Or a book for Pacers fans. Whatever the story, I hope we finally learn it. It would be nice to put the rumors and speculation to rest and finally know what really happened.
          Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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          "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

          -John Wooden

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          • Re: Hibbert deal in the works with Lakers

            People saying we sold rock bottom on Hibbert and trying to blame Bird are being ignorant. Hibbert's value hit rock bottom after the 13-14 collapse, and it has stayed there since. His value is so low not because of Bird, but because for the last year and a half Hibbert has been a poor player with a reputation around the league of having mental issues and being hard to deal with in the locker room. All teams know that Hibbert needs an attitude adjustment, and that's on Hibbert.

            On that note, let's hope that getting out of here makes Hibbert happier, because he's been one unhappy man for about 1 1/2 years
            Danger Zone

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            • Re: Hibbert deal in the works with Lakers

              Didn't most of us all want Hibbert to opt out anyway? Just pretend he opted out and we got a free second rounder if it makes you sleep easier.

              Yeah losing Roy makes us worse in the short term, but you can't accurately judge the move without seeing what Bird does with his new spending money.
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              • Re: Hibbert deal in the works with Lakers

                How can a player that got outplayed by Pero Antic in the playoffs, and Ryan Hollinger be worth more than a second round pick?
                Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                • Re: Hibbert deal in the works with Lakers

                  Originally posted by Pace Maker View Post
                  Didn't most of us all want Hibbert to opt out anyway? Just pretend he opted out and we got a free second rounder if it makes you sleep easier.

                  Yeah losing Roy makes us worse in the short term, but you can't accurately judge the move without seeing what Bird does with his new spending money.
                  Read my comment from the previous page. Roy opting out would have been SLIGHTLY better alternative universe for us than this trade. Very slightly though...

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                  • Re: Hibbert deal in the works with Lakers

                    Originally posted by PetPaima View Post
                    Read my comment from the previous page. Roy opting out would have been SLIGHTLY better alternative universe for us than this trade. Very slightly though...
                    Ah true fair point, some pretty good FAs off the board now. I really hope Bird has something in mind with this cap...I also really hope our new frontcourt can set good screens for a change!
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                    • Re: Hibbert deal in the works with Lakers

                      Originally posted by PetPaima View Post
                      Read my comment from the previous page. Roy opting out would have been SLIGHTLY better alternative universe for us than this trade. Very slightly though...
                      Only if he opted out sooner...


                      Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                      • Re: Hibbert deal in the works with Lakers

                        Doyel's got an even hotter take than I thought was possible from him. I hate that freaking idiot.

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                        • Re: Hibbert deal in the works with Lakers

                          Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
                          How can a player that got outplayed by Pero Antic in the playoffs, and Ryan Hollinger be worth more than a second round pick?
                          How can a player who averaged 17\10 to lead his team to the ECF be given away?

                          See what I did there?
                          Lifelong pacers fan

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                          • Re: Hibbert deal in the works with Lakers

                            Opting in -date was 6/29. This trade was managed to make 7/4. And it only became possible after Lakers stroke empty with Aldridge & Monroe. We lost few key days while the money was not yet available...

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                            • Re: Hibbert deal in the works with Lakers

                              Originally posted by Bball View Post
                              There's a documentary in there somewhere! Or a book for Pacers fans. Whatever the story, I hope we finally learn it. It would be nice to put the rumors and speculation to rest and finally know what really happened.
                              I hope so! I would LOVE to read/watch that documentary! The 2013-2015 Pacers has to be the biggest mystery in the history of the NBA.


                              Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                              • Re: Hibbert deal in the works with Lakers

                                Originally posted by wintermute View Post
                                If the Pacers had traded Hibbert during the height of his value, people will ***** about breaking up a contender.

                                Now that the Pacers have traded Hibbert at a low point, people now ***** about not getting more.

                                The problem isn't trading or not trading away Hibbert. The real problem is that Hibbert's value has massively fallen over the last 2 years. You guys figure out who is to blame for that, because honestly it's a mystery to me.
                                I think it was caused by a lack of confidence, that was brought on by him struggling to have a bigger role on offense. He was an offensive role player and we tried to make him a cog, that lack of confidence spread to the rest of his game.

                                I will say when he got his max I did not think it was a good idea, thought he was not consistent enough and that he didn't deserve a Max, however we did get pretty far with him so I am okay admitting it was not a horrible signing, but it did not work out as well as we'd hoped.
                                Why so SERIOUS

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