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  • #1

    Dale Davis Q&A

    http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatNBA?event_id=7745

    With Indiana's Dale Davis
    Join Dale for a live chat on Thursday at 2:30 p.m. CT (3:30 ET).
    NBAE/Getty Images
    One of the most popular players ever to don a Pacers uniform, Dale Davis rejoined the Pacers last month for a second tour of duty. A first-round pick out of Clemson in 1991, Davis spent his first nine NBA seasons in Indiana, averaging 9.4 points, 9.0 rebounds and 1.35 blocked shots while playing a vital role in the team's rise to prominence. With Davis starting at power forward, the Pacers made five trips to the Eastern Conference Finals and reached the NBA Finals in 2000.
    After the 1999-2000 season, when Davis made his first NBA All-Star appearance, he was traded to Portland for Jermaine O'Neal. He spent four seasons with the Trail Blazers and was traded to Golden State prior to the 2004-05 season. When the Warriors sent him to New Orleans as part of the trade that brought Baron Davis to Golden State, Dale Davis asked for and was granted his release, allowing him to return to Indiana.

    Dale will chat live with Pacers fans on Thursday at 2:30 p.m. CT (3:30 ET). Got a question for Dale? send it in now and check back on Thursday to chat live.




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    Jay (Wyoming): Hey its great to have you back your one of my favorite players, how does it feel to be back with the Pacers. thanks your the best!

    Dale Davis: It feels great. It's like I never left, everything is the same, it's like I haven't missed a beat. I'm getting great fan support and I have an opportunity to play good basketball and win.


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    Allister (Nova Scotia, CAN): Dale, it's great to see you back! How excited were you to put on you former Pacer's jersey and to rejoin Reggie Miller for his final season?

    Dale Davis: That meant alot to me. No question about it. We had some great years together. We have a good relationship, and I want to see him go out in style. Hopefully, we can help him get to the ultimate goal: an NBA Championship Ring.


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    Matt (Bedford): Dale, its great to see you back in a Pacer uniform, and I must say...you haven't missed a beat. You picked up right where you left off. How have you been able to transtion from the relative lack of playing time into a strating role playing quality minutes?

    Dale Davis: I think the thing I did, was I stayed in shape, even though I wasn't playing that much with the Warriors. There's a difference from game shape and practice shape, and I really worked on that. And now, I've gotten the opportunity to show what I can still do and it's here in Indiana, which is terrific.


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    kokomo: what was your most memorable memory from the pacer team in the 90's

    Dale Davis: Well, I guess the most memorable was playing in The Finals. You work so hard all season and then to get the opportunity to play for it all, was the biggest thrill I've had in the league so far.


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    Bryan Matti Sterling Heights, MI: Hey Dale, this is Reggie Miller's last season what do you think the nba will miss most about him?

    Dale Davis: I think, for one, Reggie is very outspoken. He was and is a true entertainer. He has style. And he hits those big clutch shots. But he will be remembered for his style and his clutch shooting. You could treat him like the enemy, but he would cool people off by hitting those clutch shots.


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    Adam (Bloomington, IN): Hey Dale, great to see you back in the Blue & Gold! In your eyes, what are the primary similarities and differences between today's Pacers team and those of the mid-late 90's? Thanks again for all of the great seasons here in Indy!

    Dale Davis: I appreciate that. I think the difference is, in the past those teams were a little more seasoned, the core had played together for a few more years. That core had a great understanding of what our roles were, and how to win. The similarities are that this is still a blue collar team. Our current guys have done a tremendous job in stepping up in the face of losing so many key players. That shows character and this team can really achieve something on the basis of that character.


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    Don Stumpp (Brownsburg): Dale: In your early years with the Pacers you had your struggles from the free throw line sometimes shooting below 50%. In the past six or seven years you've improved to where you've not been below 60%. In the big victory last week against Miami you hit four free throws in a row - an amazing feat which sealed the win! What's been the reason for your improvement since you left Indiana?

    Dale Davis: The main thing is practice. I shot alot during the something, and I found a comfort level with my shot. I worked over the years, and I've reached a comfort level and some level of confidence now, that no matter what point in the game, I feel confident I can knock down those shots.


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    Indianapolis: Dale, first off I would like to say you are doing great in your return with the Pacers and our recent succes couldn't have been done without you. My question is: Do you think you will return to the team next year, and how much longer to you plan to play?

    Dale Davis: I definitely want to return to the Pacers, no question about it. That was an important part of my decision to come back. I think they appreciate what I do over here, and this is a great situation for me and the team. As far as the number of years, as long as it's fun and as long as my body holds up, who knows? Also, another factor is the chance to compete for a championship. That is a real key, and I think we will be in that hunt for a title here.


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    Martin (Zionsville): Is there any team in particular that you look forward to facing in the playoffs?

    Dale Davis: I would love to face a team from the Western Conference! (Laughing). Seriously, no matter who you play, you need to be ready. You need to play your best no matter who you play, and the Miami's and the Detroit's are gonna be tough regardless of when you plan them. You just need to concentrate and playing your best game, not matter who you play.


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    Alex Morgan: GREAT TO HAVE YOU BACK DALE. We missed your focus, professionalism and toughness. As a veteran of the NBA and Indiana Pacer Basketball, what contributions can you now make to ready this team to do more than just make the playoffs?

    Dale Davis: The contributions I can bring to the table are No. 1 experience. I have that experience of being a guy who has succeeded in the playoffs. That's probably the biggest thing I can bring this team.

    Dale Davis: I'd like to thank all you fans for your support. Hopefully I can get to more questions next time and I will work real hard to help lead the Pacers to a championship.
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    Quick question. Did Pacer fans really appreciate Dale when he was here before. The sense I got - AD was more popular. I know all Pacer fans appreciate Dale now

    I have a very specific memory of Larry Brown being asked in his first season as Pacers coach, "which Pacer player has the most potential? LB said Dale. But I also remember LB implying that Dale always played hard during games and at practice, but that he did not work on his game in the offseason as much as he needed to.

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    • #3
      Re: Dale Davis Q&A

      Every day we all need to thank God we got Dale back.

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      • #4
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        I think they did. I remember people cheering him over a good pick or a block out. I know I did. Maybe not as much as I do now but I did.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Ragnar
          Every day we all need to thank God we got Dale back.
          I'm sure Donnie and Larry both know how appreciative the fans are that Dale is back.

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          • #6
            Re: Dale Davis Q&A

            Think Dale was very appreciated before. But it's just off the charts now - and for good reason.
            The best exercise of the human heart is reaching down and picking someone else up.

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            • #7
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              I think people appreciated him. The weird contract stuff at the end combined with the emergence of JO probably helped people forget what he brought. Probably a lot of people also agreed with Donnie that the team had gone as far as they were going to go, but I remember most people being proud of the Davis Boys patrolling the inside so Rik could throw up feather soft jumpers and Reggie could curl around those screens for daggers.

              Yeah, he was greatly appreciated.

              "Dale's grabbin' rebounds, Antonio's blockin' shots
              Heywoode passin' the ball around, hoo!
              These guys are hot"
              "If you ever crawl inside an old hollow log and go to sleep, and while you're in there some guys come and seal up both ends and then put it on a truck and take it to another city, boy, I don't know what to tell you." - Jack Handy

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              • #8
                Re: Dale Davis Q&A

                Speaking of the old days, anyone remember those Pacers ads featuring Antonio and Heywoode where they ended up kind of slapping each other and then pulling into the "Karate Kid" style kung fu poses?

                That was hilarious.
                "If you ever crawl inside an old hollow log and go to sleep, and while you're in there some guys come and seal up both ends and then put it on a truck and take it to another city, boy, I don't know what to tell you." - Jack Handy

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                • #9
                  Re: Dale Davis Q&A

                  Indianapolis: Dale, first off I would like to say you are doing great in your return with the Pacers and our recent succes couldn't have been done without you. My question is: Do you think you will return to the team next year, and how much longer to you plan to play?

                  Dale Davis: I definitely want to return to the Pacers, no question about it. That was an important part of my decision to come back. I think they appreciate what I do over here, and this is a great situation for me and the team. As far as the number of years, as long as it's fun and as long as my body holds up, who knows? Also, another factor is the chance to compete for a championship. That is a real key, and I think we will be in that hunt for a title here.
                  I like that, it sounds like it wont take alot of money to get Dale back and he wont be asking for some crazy contract to be back on this team. Resigning him should be the Number 1 goal in the offseason for Larry and Donnie.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Dale Davis Q&A

                    BTW UB - thanks for posting this.
                    The best exercise of the human heart is reaching down and picking someone else up.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Dale Davis Q&A

                      Thanks for posting this, UB. It was a nice, easy read. And to answer your question, I did but I don't think most fans did. I rarely watch the player with the ball on offense or defense, I get the most enjoyment watching what happens off of the ball. Try it some time if you haven't before (not directed at UB-UB knows his stuff and that is best learned by watching off the ball). It makes the game much more enjoyable to watch, as long as the Iverson's and Kobe's of the world are not playing.
                      Two=the number 2
                      Too=means "also"
                      To=many definitions-also known as the one to use when the other 2 (two, too) do not apply.

                      Their=shows ownership-'it is their house'
                      They're=they are
                      There=many definitions-also known as the one to use when the other 2 (their, they're) do not apply

                      Sorry but it bugs me when these are used incorrectly when I read posts on PacersDigest.com.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Dale Davis Q&A

                        What do you guys think it will take to sign Dale Davis next year?
                        This space for rent.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Dale Davis Q&A

                          Originally posted by Anthem
                          What do you guys think it will take to sign Dale Davis next year?
                          1.5-3mm

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                          • #14
                            Re: Dale Davis Q&A

                            Originally posted by Anthem
                            What do you guys think it will take to sign Dale Davis next year?
                            three year deal -

                            4MM in 05-06, 5MM in 06-07, 6MM in 07-08

                            I'm SO going to bump this if I'm right.
                            “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” - Winston Churchill

                            “If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning.” - Catherine Aird

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                            • #15
                              Re: Dale Davis Q&A

                              See, that sounds great to me. But because we got him after he was waived, we don't have his Bird rights. Is that correct? So we'd have to sign him for the mid-level exception.

                              All the more reason to clear out Croshere and Bender.
                              This space for rent.

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