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U19 FIBA World Championship

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    U19 FIBA World Championship

    I didn't see a thread for this anywhere so I figured I'd start my own. As some of you may know the U19 FIBA World Championship (hosted in Heraklion, Crete) started in June 27th. The Semi-finals are about to take place in 10 hours. USA is facing Greece in the 1st Semis and Croatia is facing Turkey in the 2nd Semis.

    USA, Greece and Turkey are currently undefeated while Croatia has only lost 1 game in the group phase (against USA). Canada was the 4th undefeated team but they were knocked out by Croatia yesterday (84-71). USA got to the Semis by beating Argentina in the Round of 16 (93-45) and Italy in the Quarters (86-65). Greece got to the Semis by beating Tunisia in the Round of 16 (100-48) and Spain in the Quarters (70-59). Turkey got to the Semis by beating Iran in the Round of 16 (73-63) and Australia in the Quarters (81-70).

    Obviously, one of the main reasons I'm making this thread is because my NT is going to face your NT. So, I'm hoping that we can have some conversation during the game

    So, allow me to post the rosters of the two teams.

    Here's USA's roster -> http://www.fiba.com/world/u19/2015/USA#|tab=roster

    I'll freely admit that I don't know anyone. Some of them have apparently already enrolled in big colleges (Justin Bibbs to Virginia Tech, LJ Peak to Georgetown, Chinanu Onuaku to Louisville {is he Arinze's brother} and Thomas Welsh to UCLA) while Allonzo Trier plays for Findlay Prep. You have beat everyone on the tournament so far by at least 20 points (last night's 86-65 was your smallest margin of victory).

    Here's Greece's roster -> http://www.fiba.com/world/u19/2015/Greece#tab=roster

    Our smallest margin of victory was 5 against the Dominican Republic (70-65). Our game against Serbia and Spain were kinda close as well (69-60 and 70-59 respectively). No team has scored more than 65 points against us so far. On the other hand, you have never scored less than 83 points.

    Our roster has some interesting players. You may have even heard about a couple of them.

    Tyler Dorsey was born in California to Jerrid Dorsey and Samia Dorsey (neé Constantinides). He played for Maranatha High School in Pasadena and has committed to play for the Oregon Ducks. He is a 6'5 SG with good athleticism and a sweet stroke. He is averaging 13.8 PPG, 4.8 RPG and 1.8 APG in the tournament so far and he is shooting 47.1% from 3 point range.

    Georgios Papagiannis was born in Maroussi, Athens but he attended high school in the US (well, the first two years of it). He played for Westtown School in West Chester, Pennsylvania. He was a 4-star recruit but he chose to return to Greece and play for Panathinaikos instead of committing to an NCAA team. It's important to note that Papagiannis played professional basketball in Greece before committing to Westtown School. Yes, he made his debut in Greece's top tier league (the Greek Basket League) at the age of 14. He's a 7'1 C (some people are saying that he's closer to 7'2 now) that can post-up, rebound and block shots. He's averaging 8.6 PPG, 9 RPG and 3.2 BPG in the tournament so far.

    Konstantinos Mitoglou plays for Wake Forest. He is a 6'11 PF with good athleticism and potential as a stretch 4 (he shot 38.5% from 3 in Wake Forest but he is struggling in the tournament so far). He is averaging 10.4 PPG, 7.6 PPG and 1.6 in the tournament so far and he averaged 9.7 PPG and 4.6 RPG for the Demon Deacons in 14-15.

    Georgios Tsalmpouris playes for Iowa State. He is not a key cog of our team so far (he did have a very good game against Korea, though, with 12 points, 5 assists and 4 rebounds) and he wasn't a key cog for Iowa State either (averaged 4.4 PPG as a Freshman) but he's still a 7'1 Center and if we have any fans of Iowa State in this forum then they have probably heard of him.

    So, I told you some things about our players. Do you have any info to share about yours? Are we going to see any of those kids enter the draft in the next few years? Discuss
    Originally posted by IrishPacer
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    Re: U19 FIBA World Championship

    Is this on TV anywhere? I don't know much about the roster other than they're all the premier high school basketball players in the country, I'd expect to see quite a few of them in the NBA discussion.

    I know Swanigan is going if a local college here in Purdue and is really good.
    Last edited by BlueCollarColts; 07-04-2015, 09:41 AM.

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      Re: U19 FIBA World Championship

      Originally posted by BlueCollarColts View Post
      Is this on TV anywhere? I don't know much about the roster other than they're all the premier high school basketball players in the country, I'd expect to see quite a few of them in the NBA discussion.

      I know Swanigan is going if a local college here in Purdue and is really good.
      It's certainly on TV in Greece. I have no idea about the US, though. Thanks for your comments on your squad. I was just intrigued because I didn't find a lot of them in 2016 and 2017 NBA Draft mocks.
      Originally posted by IrishPacer
      Empty vessels make the most noise.

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        Re: U19 FIBA World Championship

        Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
        It's certainly on TV in Greece. I have no idea about the US, though. Thanks for your comments on your squad. I was just intrigued because I didn't find a lot of them in 2016 and 2017 NBA Draft mocks.
        Here's a quick run down of where the players rank as far as their class according to ESPN

        Jawun Evans: 33

        Justin Bibbs: None, freshmen at Virginia Tech where he averaged 11 pts 3 rebs and 2 assists)

        Terrance Ferguson: 14

        Jalen Brunson: 16

        Allonso Trier: 18

        Josh Jackson: 3

        Jayson Tatum: 2

        L.J. Peak: (None, freshmen at Georgetown averaged 8 pts 2 rebounds and 1 assist per game)

        Harry Giles: 1

        Chinanu Akuoko: (none averaged 4 pts and 5 rebounds as a freshmen at Lousiville)

        Thomas Welsh: (none, averaged 4 points 4 rebounds as a freshmen at UCLA)

        Caleb Swanigan: 9



        Found it on TV, it's on one of ESPN's alternate channels.... So score predictions Nuntius? How do you see the two teams matching up?

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          Re: U19 FIBA World Championship

          Originally posted by BlueCollarColts View Post
          Here's a quick run down of where the players rank as far as their class according to ESPN

          Jawun Evans: 33

          Justin Bibbs: None, freshmen at Virginia Tech where he averaged 11 pts 3 rebs and 2 assists)

          Terrance Ferguson: 14

          Jalen Brunson: 16

          Allonso Trier: 18

          Josh Jackson: 3

          Jayson Tatum: 2

          L.J. Peak: (None, freshmen at Georgetown averaged 8 pts 2 rebounds and 1 assist per game)

          Harry Giles: 1

          Chinanu Akuoko: (none averaged 4 pts and 5 rebounds as a freshmen at Lousiville)

          Thomas Welsh: (none, averaged 4 points 4 rebounds as a freshmen at UCLA)
          I see. Thanks a lot.

          Originally posted by BlueCollarColts View Post
          Found it on TV, it's on one of ESPN's alternate channels.... So score predictions Nuntius? How do you see the two teams matching up?
          Well, you'll probably win. I don't see us holding you at 65 points or below like we have done with every other team so far. But as long as we keep the game close, I'll be happy

          Edit: Unfortunately, I won't be able to watch the game live. I have to go so I'll watch the game on replay
          Last edited by Nuntius; 07-04-2015, 11:33 AM.
          Originally posted by IrishPacer
          Empty vessels make the most noise.

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            Re: U19 FIBA World Championship

            Well let's see what Greece is made of Nuntius

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              Re: U19 FIBA World Championship

              I only managed to watch some minutes here and there since I wasn't home but the score was close from start to finish. We fought hard and that's what I wanted to see. Personally, I'm fine with the result. Let's hope that we win the bronze medal tomorrow. I'll watch the full game tomorrow morning, I guess.
              Originally posted by IrishPacer
              Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                Re: U19 FIBA World Championship

                FIBA's got all the games on Youtube, they broadcast them live too

                https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtI...bWqFGsdKT1GZtg

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                  Re: U19 FIBA World Championship

                  I saw a little of the US vs. Italy game. Harry Giles is an absolute monster.

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                    Re: U19 FIBA World Championship

                    Originally posted by joew8302 View Post
                    I saw a little of the US vs. Italy game. Harry Giles is an absolute monster.
                    and he's friggin 17. that Italian PG, Flaccadori, that kid can play, he's got an NBA future.

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                      Re: U19 FIBA World Championship

                      Originally posted by BlueCollarColts View Post
                      Is this on TV anywhere? I don't know much about the roster other than they're all the premier high school basketball players in the country, I'd expect to see quite a few of them in the NBA discussion.

                      I know Swanigan is going if a local college here in Purdue and is really good.
                      A lot of the games are live on YouTube the game today was live on ESPN U.

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                        Re: U19 FIBA World Championship

                        Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                        and he's friggin 17. that Italian PG, Flaccadori, that kid can play, he's got an NBA future.
                        Ya I've seen him the past two summers. He is a crafty little guy. His frame is concerning but his ball skills are really good for his age.

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                          Re: U19 FIBA World Championship

                          USA only up 3 at half on Croatia in the gold medal game, it's live on ESPNU

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                            Re: U19 FIBA World Championship

                            Giles is good but he does get a little talkative for my liking, opponents and refs both

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                              Re: U19 FIBA World Championship

                              Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                              USA only up 3 at half on Croatia in the gold medal game, it's live on ESPNU
                              If Bender was playing... sigh. Bender is my early favorite for the #1 pick. I love the versatility on both ends of the floor. He is a special special talent.

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