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Bird thinks Willie Cauley-Stein is a $100M player.

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  • #16
    Re: Bird thinks Willie Cauley-Stein is a $100M player.

    Stupid me, I just keep thinking that's what Bird thought Lance was worth, no more, no less.

    I suppose I should be all into the "Bird wanted to offer Lance the max but Herb shut him down" conspiracy theory, but I can't buy it considering the conspiracy theory that Bird didn't take a year off for health reasons but because he was pissed that Herb wouldn't let him spend money.
    BillS

    A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
    Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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    • #17
      Re: Bird thinks Willie Cauley-Stein is a $100M player.

      Originally posted by xIndyFan View Post
      Sorry I didn't make my point more clearly. No, that is not what I said.

      JMO, but Bird was less interested in getting Lance back and more interested in not getting the Pacers blamed for not getting Lance back. In other words, Bird made an offer to Lance that Bird expected Lance to turn down. That is why Bird didn't negotiate or hesitate when Lance turned him down. He immediately signed the guys he needed to replace Lance.

      The peril comment means don't think Larry is a dumb Hick. He is a smooth operator that uses the Hick persona to mislead those he is dealing with. Larry is a smart guy that fools people with the hick thing.

      Hope that makes sense.
      I think you made your point pretty clear. Bird didn't negotiate further because the offer was the offer. I contend that "take it or leave it" came down from Simon. Now back to Willie...

      Bird: "We've talked about it briefly, but I haven't sat down with the owner (Herb Simon) yet," Bird said. "There's going to be a price and we're not going to go over that.",

      Simon:
      "We made him a wonderful offer, and they didn't think it was enough," Simon said. "So it's a simple situation."

      Bird:
      "I really feel bad about losing him,'' Bird said. "I hope it doesn't interfere with our relationship. But I did what I could possibly do to keep him here.
      Last edited by BlueNGold; 05-16-2015, 08:12 PM.

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      • #18
        Re: Bird thinks Willie Cauley-Stein is a $100M player.

        Before this turns into yet another thread about 'he who is not here, anymore', sounds to me like LB was telling WTCS that he has the potential to be a 100 million dollar player during his career. Because of the sharp rise in the SC. There are probably going to be a number of players at that level by the end of the latest agreement. Willie is certainly not going to get that kind of money coming in and will probably be a fairly cheap signing for the 1st 4-5 years.

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        • #19
          Re: Bird thinks Willie Cauley-Stein is a $100M player.

          Originally posted by Cousy47 View Post
          Before this turns into yet another thread about 'he who is not here, anymore', sounds to me like LB was telling WTCS that he has the potential to be a 100 million dollar player during his career. Because of the sharp rise in the SC. There are probably going to be a number of players at that level by the end of the latest agreement. Willie is certainly not going to get that kind of money coming in and will probably be a fairly cheap signing for the 1st 4-5 years.
          His first 4 years will be rookie contract so I guess he'll start at around 2 mil.
          Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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          • #20
            Re: Bird thinks Willie Cauley-Stein is a $100M player.

            Stupid Pacers. Lance showed himself to be a max level player this year, the difference between missing the playoffs and winning it all. Why the Pacers didn't offer him $100M is all on that stupid, greedy, useless, good-for-nothing Herb Simon who is the whole reason the Pacers didn't win a championship this year because he forced Larry Bird - that gentle, kind soul who never wants to go against his management - to shut up and lowball Lance.
            BillS

            A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
            Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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            • #21
              Re: Bird thinks Willie Cauley-Stein is a $100M player.

              No biggie. I'm sure this just means Bird would tell Anthony Davis that he's a bazillion dollar player, or whatever it was the Tim Robbins character was telling Dr. Evil.

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              • #22
                Re: Bird thinks Willie Cauley-Stein is a $100M player.

                From what i've seen and how it turns out when bird talks about a player, it usually means we arent going for them.
                But, i don't see wcs around when the pacers pick anyway. He does have intriguing potential though.

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                • #23
                  Re: Bird thinks Willie Cauley-Stein is a $100M player.

                  Originally posted by clownskull View Post
                  From what i've seen and how it turns out when bird talks about a player, it usually means we arent going for them.
                  But, i don't see wcs around when the pacers pick anyway. He does have intriguing potential though.
                  I don't see WCS as the kind of player the Pacers normally try to get. IIRC, the B&G look for guys that are both offensive and defensive players. At least to some extent or another. WCS seems to be a good defensive player, but not at all good offensively. That makes him some variation of Ian Mahinmi 2.0.

                  That said, both Tyson Chandler and DeAndre Jordan would fit into that category. But they are both so very good defensively to make up for their offensive shortcomings. The question would seem to be how close to Jordan or Chandler WCS is?

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                  • #24
                    Re: Bird thinks Willie Cauley-Stein is a $100M player.

                    It's a team interview, personality type stuff. The likely scenario is that Bird rates him and wanted to see where WCS sees his career going. There is no smokescreen or mind games.
                    "I’m your favorite player’s favorite player. And it’s not enough for me for him to know that. I want the world to know that." -- Michael Beasley

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                    • #25
                      Re: Bird thinks Willie Cauley-Stein is a $100M player.

                      Wasn't there a mega Lance thread precisely to avoid polluting other threads?

                      As to the actual subject, it reminds me of the Granger draft story. We figured he was too good, told him so, and wished him luck. Might be a similar thing here.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Bird thinks Willie Cauley-Stein is a $100M player.

                        I can't lie, I've lost a lot of confidence in Bird making the right personnel decisions in the last few years.(this coming from a huge Bird fan)

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                        • #27
                          Re: Bird thinks Willie Cauley-Stein is a $100M player.

                          It is going to be a long 6 weeks on PD....

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                          • #28
                            Re: Bird thinks Willie Cauley-Stein is a $100M player.

                            Originally posted by wintermute View Post
                            Wasn't there a mega Lance thread precisely to avoid polluting other threads?

                            As to the actual subject, it reminds me of the Granger draft story. We figured he was too good, told him so, and wished him luck. Might be a similar thing here.
                            The subject of the thread is Bird's judgment. Bringing up his last major decision on a contract is pretty much on point. In any event, I have confidence in Bird. If PG had not gotten injured our winning ways would have continued to some extent.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Bird thinks Willie Cauley-Stein is a $100M player.

                              Regardless of whether Bird actually told him this or not, the fact that it has been spread to the media likely indicates that he will never play for the Pacers. Too bad. He could have probably helped with the whole defense thing even when the Pacers are going to be going small and uptempo while dropping even further in the standings with a healthy Trece (yuck to both JOB 2.0 and the new "Trece" for PG, BTW).

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                              • #30
                                Re: Bird thinks Willie Cauley-Stein is a $100M player.

                                Originally posted by BillS View Post
                                Stupid me, I just keep thinking that's what Bird thought Lance was worth, no more, no less.

                                I suppose I should be all into the "Bird wanted to offer Lance the max but Herb shut him down" conspiracy theory, but I can't buy it considering the conspiracy theory that Bird didn't take a year off for health reasons but because he was pissed that Herb wouldn't let him spend money.
                                Is it possible you'll ever get over this, drop the hyperbole, and just move on when the topic is touched upon in a thread?
                                Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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